[Closed] Show me your: Race Hard Tails

Hi

Not carbon or bar ends but 100% XC race bike.

GB

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No bar ends, but I threw this together for a couple of early season races to avoid trashing my bouncy bike. It was nice, but my Top Fuel is quicker.

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the lesser spotted -trail rat bike with gears fitted on the right

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Mrs T-R`s race bike

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puffer mode

Not that I race though:
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It's had carbon bars and bar ends but was switched back to risers as I prefer it.

Built up from the spares bin (other than the wheels which were nicked from my Epic). 23.1lbs on my scales, despite the 26/36/48 Deore chainset and Deore hydros - both of which are not light!

Oh if we're doing weights too, the Pedal Force was 19.8lbs at BMBS1 with Rocket Rons, actually the lightest bike I've weighed this season, on a £200 frame! 🙂

Bar ends seem to be dying out, more and more people using risers now, interesting to see. I'm certainly not missing flat bars this season.

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Not the best picture but you get the idea, will be razzing it around at Mayhem for 24 hours solo

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Nothing mega flashy but it's light, super responsive and ideal for racing. Now upgraded everything except the front wheel (about to do this) and the mechs which just WILL NOT break!!

Built up from the spares bin (other than the wheels which were nicked from my Epic). 23.1lbs on my scales, despite the 26/36/48 Deore chainset and Deore hydros - both of which are not light!

I can't see a pic, but I suspect your scales need calibrating.

haha me too kingtut - my merida as pictured was about 21.5. without its gears it was about 19

my missus bike is 24.6lbs - a saving of 10lbs over her previous scott contessa

I'll try again with the picture!
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The scales are probably about right as most of the other bits on the bike are light - sub 3lb Dave Hinde M3 frame, SID Race forks, American Classic wheels with Speed King Supersonics.

I've also found my full-suss quicker overall. Comparing GPS traces for the same route shows my Epic (which is just short of 2lbs heavier) very slightly slower on the climbs but significantly faster downhill and slightly faster on flat sections. That's with the same wheels and tyres and similar forks (SID Teams on the Epic).

Carbon - Yes
Bar ends - Yes
2 x 9 - No (but never use granny - honest!)

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Bar ends should be at the same angle as the stem, looks wrong otherwise!

nick - if i put my bar ends at the same angle as stem they would be pointing down !

njee - you are of course correct.
Photo taken at initial build. Steerer since cut down, seat higher and more importantly bar ends now line up with stem!

Good good, well done!

I'll forgive you Terry, that is the only instance when it's excusable!

njee20 - Member

Bar ends should be at the same angle as the stem, looks wrong otherwise!

Or where they are most comfortable for the rider?

Or where they are most comfortable for the rider?

WTF!? Who cares about comfort? It's what it looks like. Surely no one on here actually rides their bike!?

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sub 3lb scandium frame. 2x9 middleburn and now sporting 2.1 racing ralphs

weighed in on some non calibrated scales at around 21 lbs (with pedals*)

*before anyone asks i have 1 set of pedals that i swap between bikes and when i took the photo they were on my enduro

Saddle angle!?

Sorry, I'm obviously in a critical mood today!

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Pretty box standard, couldn't be doing with a long stem so a little bit more sit up and beg then the usual!

No carbon, bar ends, 2x10 or even anything particularly light, but quick, fun, comfortable (for a HT) and a smudge under 24lbs including pedals. It's what I'll be aiming for mid-field on this year. 😀
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That Hinde thing up there ^ is minging

Saddle angle!?

yep.. it's fked in the pic.. Now completely level you'll be glad to know 🙂

That Hinde thing up there ^ is minging

The Dave Hinde transfers look like they've been cut out and stuck on by a 4-year old and the paintjob isn't great either. It's a nice frame though - I used to have one exactly the same except blue and badged as a Terry Dolan, and it looked a lot nicer.

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Now with Carbon flats and bar ends, shorter stem and Time pedals. I'm also in the process of looking at 2X9 as the granny is never used.

Great bike and only quick in the right hands, which unfortunately are not mine! 😥

Ooo, nice, don't see many Orbeas.

2x9 is the way forward, good to see several on this thread!

Not technically a hardtail and i've never raced it, but i think it qualifies.

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Barend - yes
Carbon - Yes (time atac carbons)
2X10 - its a P20??? 😆

njee20 - Member

Saddle angle!?

Sorry, I'm obviously in a critical mood today!

njee20 - Member

Ooo, nice, don't see many Orbeas.

Phew! Thanks, not really sure why, but it took a while to get used to and now I'm more comfortable with it, I love it.

Not sure if I can justify the cost of 2X9 just yet, see whether I get back racing again.

Hardly any cost, a couple of TA Chinook rings and some short bolts. £50 at most.

2x9 is soooo 2 years ago .....its all 1x1 now

Actually 2x10 appears to be the way forward!

By the way, the 1930s called... they want their singlespeed gearing back!

did you take their number ?

I'm tempted to give 2x9 a go on my Epic, given I never use the granny ring anyway. What size chainrings are folks running?

used to run 29:42 - these days id* run 28:40

trail_rat - Member

2x9 is soooo 2 years ago .....its all 1x1 now

You mean like this...

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I have considered racing it, perfect excuse for not finishing top 10. 😆

What size chainrings are folks running?

I'm going to start a new thread on this so the OP can have this one back. 😉

I did 32/44, then 30/42, then 28/40. 28/40 was the best IMO.

Well, seeing as it wasn't specified what type of racing the hardtail was for, here's one of my Zaskar Carbon Team Issues which I use for 4X, and generally hooning about on (saddle up in pic because it's a damn sight easier to ride!).

MRP chain device, X0, Hope Team Green Pro IIIs and Tech X2s. Bombproof - 25lb. And for sale (again) soon after the last buyer messed me about.. Grrrrr!

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thats lovely

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This is my Orbea Alma Team G with Bar Ends. The pedals are on only temporary!

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Quite a lot of carbon, but no bar ends and old-school 3x9...

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Now with pictures - My 2010 Orbea Alma Team G with bar ends, 2x10 SRAM XX and lots of carbon!

Pedals on only temporary!

Scott Scale RC

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Carbon - Yep
Bar Ends - Yep
2x9 - Yep

Just back from action around Cannock this morning. Yes saddle angle is on the piss.

Very nice. Why not the rest of the XX groupset?

Have you seen how much the cassettes are?? I've got 4 pair of wheels with diff tyres etc. also got other bikes all with 9 speed and wanted interchangeability between bikes without faffing.

Frame is BB30 so XX seemed logical choice for the weight saving although the BB's are crap.

Sadly I have, and I'm fairly sure the combination of Margam and the Gorrick Enduro has trashed mine!

Indeed, at the time of order XX was the only 10s group, may change next year now others are joining in.

Definitely, particularly with XT 10 speed cassettes retailing for £60, far easier to stomach! I can't see me getting another XX one! Frankly I wouldn't have bothered this time if the bike hadn't come with it!

Now with pictures - My 2010 Orbea Alma Team G with bar ends, 2x10 SRAM XX and lots of carbon!

Pedals on only temporary!

That's very, very nice. How much doesn't it weigh??
How you getting on with it?

It weighs about 20lb's.

Not ridden it yet! I've only had it for 2 weeks but broke my collar bone 3 weeks ago and not been on a bike since! Took 10 weeks from ordering to be delivered, hopefully be able to ride it in a couple of weeks time.

Mr_Mojo - Member

It weighs about 20lb's.

Not ridden it yet! I've only had it for 2 weeks but broke my collar bone 3 weeks ago and not been on a bike since! Took 10 weeks from ordering to be delivered, hopefully be able to ride it in a couple of weeks time.

Best send it over here then so it can be ridden, how it should be ridden. 😉

Recover soon and enjoy it, you will enjoy it.

Best send it over here then so it can be ridden, how it should be ridden.

Recover soon and enjoy it, you will enjoy it.

Thankyou, I'll consider your offer! 🙄

Cheap plug, frame for sale - see classifieds or make an offer.

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P20 - Member

2X10 - its a P20???

Didn't Tom Ritchey pioneer 2x10 drive trains all the way back-then?

EDIT* .. well 2x9

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The Niner and the Whyte have it so far.

I love that Whyte but several bikes here are droolworthy.

My Stumpy is perfect for me (light but still strong) and if I told my wife or family how much it's actually cost (£1200 bike, not far off £1000 on upgrades) I'd be in deep trouble - yet most of the bikes pictured are MUCH more!

Think I'd better remain at my "quite high end" level rather than "top end" or things could get silly!

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Couple of questions on 2x9 while people are commenting;
•If you use a Triple Chain set do you use middle & inner or middle & outer.

•Do you change the chain line at all i.e. move the spacers on the BB?

•Where is the best place to get chain rings for XT chainsets (28/42)?

Ta

I decided to fit a chainset (XTR) and brakes (Hayes stroker carbon) slightly more in keeping:
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Still only 22.4lbs though, but it's my lightest bike by a good 2.5lbs now.

For XC and the road.

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Bars changed on the Cube now for Easton carbons and Captian's for the rubber and going tubless at the weekend.

Here's mine, might switch to 2x9 as the granny gets no use and SRAM don't do 10 spd twist shifters

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futon river crossing - Member
The Niner and the Whyte have it so far.

Thanks 🙂 Will get some better pics done at some point...

Here's mine...
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Mr Mojo is winning so far... Inspiration indeed, my bank account is cringing already! All these look fantastic guys, really super.
Back to the topic of 2x9 raised earlier: do you use the inner or outer pair?

can people stop posting them hindes 😐

beauty is in the eye of the beholder - xcstu, everytime you post pics of that sj i'm tempted to put my epic in the classifieds...

Couple of questions on 2x9 while people are commenting;
•If you use a Triple Chain set do you use middle & inner or middle & outer.

Inner and middle

•Do you change the chain line at all i.e. move the spacers on the BB?

Not necessary, because you're using the inner/middle positions, so the chain line is much better anyway.

•Where is the best place to get chain rings for XT chainsets (28/42)?

TA Chinook rings are the best, but are out of stock across the UK at the moment apparently! Starbike in Germany have stock of all the sensible sizes. You will also need some short bolts for the outer ring.

I think the Orbea is winning so far, if only as the only XX equipped bike! Needs some lighter wheels though.

Back to the topic of 2x9 raised earlier: do you use the inner or outer pair?

Inner and middle, use short chain ring bolts and choose chain ring size to taste, I currently have 40T and 26T.

That S Works has now pipped the Whyte (IMO!)...

The S-Works gets extra points for colour co-ordinated bore caps on the Mono Minis.

Liking the Almas, demo'd one some years ago and it was mental.
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Prototype.

here is mine

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carbon - yes
light - yes
xtr - cant afford
2x9/10 - nope - you need a granny for scottish xc races unlike the gay english equivalents! 😈

........speaking of gay, here's my road race bike.......lol

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2x9/10 - nope - you need a granny for scottish xc races unlike the gay english equivalents!

No you don't. You need stronger legs, like English XC racers 🙂

njee20 thanks 🙂

What is it with 2 X 9/10?
I bought some FSA carbon 2X9 things with a ceramic BB, & its no (maybe a few grams)lighter than my old RS7's with a Ti BB & hardcote rings, I don't get it 😐

njee20, you should try an SXC course, Aberfoyle might have been a good one for you 😆