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Thinking of getting the XT stuff but with the LG700 cassette as 200g lighter. Struggling to find any long term reviews to see if the 300% or so increase in durability claim has legs, particularly on an ebike. Anyone running it?
its only 300% (claimed) more on the cassette itself. Chain and chainring is still the same.
This on an ebike or normal bike ?
I know it is but the cassette is the expensive part. Don't think there is a soecific chainring, might get a stainless one
I would be running it on an ebike
Maybe a bit early to see any long-term reviews yet?
Not like Shimano to BS about stuff like that though, I'd take a punt myself.
Will probably try the LG700 cassette with my Shimano 11sp setup in future anyway.
I thought the press release info was from 2021, I wasn't really paying much attention to it at the time, did stock not come into shops until much later?
I think none of the LG stuff appeared, then they relaunched it as CUES this year and it did start showing up.
Happy to be corrected though.
Had it in the LBS for about 6 months. Initial reports are good.
It was released about 6 months ago (wasn't it?)...if the marketing stuff was to be believed, that would be about 3 cassettes, 2 chains and at least 1 replacing throwing star...I'd suggest 6 months is long term for the rate ebike riding wears parts out.
780g for a 11-50T LG600 vs 395g for a 10-42T XG1150. Sounds horrendously heavy to me!
The 700 cassette is more like 600g so same as the 12 speed NX cassette on my bike now. Not so important on an ebike but I still wouldn't fancy it so much on an analogue
I have had decent lifespan out of drive trains over the last 5 years on an ebike, I don't know what people are doing to destroy them so quickly
GeForceJunky
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780g for a 11-50T LG600 vs 395g for a 10-42T XG1150. Sounds horrendously heavy to me!
They're assuming the ebike market is ok with the weight - they're probably right
I don’t know what people are doing to destroy them so quickly
Riding along using max motor torque to power the bike in an unsuitably high gear, like a pensioner bimbling along in a jazz @600rpm in 5th everywhere. My wife does this - almost tempted to set the mech up badly so she can't get to gears 8-11.
chakaping
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Maybe a bit early to see any long-term reviews yet?Not like Shimano to BS about stuff like that though, I’d take a punt myself.
Will probably try the LG700 cassette with my Shimano 11sp setup in future anyway.
LG700 cassette will only work with a linkglide shifter & mech I think. Linkglide is its own wee ecosystem from what I've seen.
I've been using a full 10sp Deore Linkglide (11-42 cassette) on my Orbea commuting eeb since the start of December '22. I've put 1500km on it over this wet winter/spring and about 50% off-road. It's been flawless - I've not even adjusted cable tension a turn. Now experimenting with a waxed chain for more faff-free gains.
The shift feel is quite SRAM like - sort of metallic and pinky - rather than the damped smoothness of my XT 12sp on my Stumpy. I don't mind it, but it is different.
No sign of wear on chain or cassette, so well impressed.
LG700 cassette will only work with a linkglide shifter & mech I think. Linkglide is its own wee ecosystem from what I’ve seen.
I don't understand how they could do that though?
Spacing might be different...amount of cable pull differs so won't work well with non Linkglide cassettes...cassette cogs would be a different thickness and doesn't run so well with HG chains...and no doubt other wee things to make it incompatible in an attempt to force permanent buy-in.
I don’t understand how they could do that though?
Cable pull/spacing is the same across the whole of CUES regardless of speed.
and no doubt other wee things to make it incompatible in an attempt to force permanent buy-in
I guess it might be partly permanent buy-in.. but perhaps a bit of just making you buy the whole kebang in one go if you want to "upgrade" as a consumer?
Most groupsets are sold as part of a complete bike and my feeling is shimano see this as even more so in terms of LG/CUES.
It puts me off massively as I try and keep interchangable drivechains across all bikes so it's a massive expense to do them all.
"Before we all celebrate too quickly, there is one small catch - the Linkglide technology, while introduced in Deore 1x10 or XT 1x11 speed as a highly durable option, is not cross compatible or retrofittable with current drivetrains due to different gear pitches. All Linkglide components will feature a logo to differentiate them from their stablemates." from here https://www.pinkbike.com/news/shimano-introduces-new-high-durability-drivetrain.html
It puts me off massively as I try and keep interchangable drivechains across all bikes so it’s a massive expense to do them all.
Same, I need to be able to switch wheels between bikes.
I've found a couple of bike sites saying in passing that LG stuff is not backwards compatible with Shimano mechs & shifters, but that any chain is fine (so it's not the cog thickness?).
Could the spacing on an 11sp cassette be so different from every other existing 11sp MTB cassette? Or are Shimano just being fussy because it won't work optimally somehow? Is it because the LG600 cassette is 50t and Shimano 11sp is only supposed to be 46t max?
Anyway, someone needs to try it IRL so we can verify.
I’ve had LinkGlide on my Levo for almost 3 months. It’s only done a few hundred miles so too soon to tell how the durability is.
In another 3 months I’ll be at the point where a normal SRAM or Shimano cassette would start degrading - sprinty hilly commuter use when you’re a reasonably powerful and impatient rider on an ebike just destroys cassettes, literally wears the teeth away before the chain has a chance to “stretch”.
I don’t know why the pull ratio is different but the sprockets and their teeth are much chunkier as is the mech itself - it looks built to handle e-bikes properly. I like that all the speeds, from 8? to 11 are cross-compatible. Shifting is good, not as consistently quick as HyperGlide but it also doesn’t make such nasty noises when you’re shifting under power (which I generally try not to do anyway).
“Shimano 11sp is only supposed to be 46t max?”
I’ve got a Shimano HG mech that goes to 50+ and a matching cassette. (Need to sell them!)
My guess is that the LG sprockets are further apart, they’re much thicker, hence being so heavy.
Is it because the LG600 cassette is 50t and Shimano 11sp is only supposed to be 46t max?
M8000 is 42, M7000 is 46 (and identical except materials) .. M5100 is 51T but direct mount only (I think).
The M7000/M8000 is obviously BS... just when Shimano released XT then SLX but I am pretty certain it won't do 51T without trying it. Not actually a big deal for me as 46T seems plenty unless you are pedalling a eMTB with no battery perhaps.
I'll go agricultural over hi-tech any day of the week.
I've ordered the XT kit with the LG700 cassette so will see how it goes. I only have the one MTB so cross compatibility not such an issue for me
It's like the cassette pitch is top secret information. I would like to decide if the lg cassette will work with my current mech.
Shimano say no as I'm sure they would like to sell me the entire drivertrain.
The only info I've found indicates .02mm difference but unconfirmed.
Shimano have plenty of form for that sort of thing
I purchased a u6000 11-48 10 speed cues / linkglide cassette and the cog spacing is about 4.15 - 4.2mm. Difficult to measure with 100% accuracy.
I had hoped this would be close enough to work with HG 11 speed, clearly not as that's 3.76mm.
Have just ordered the u6000 mech and shifter to go with it. All in with a chain was £150. Not bad pricing for a complete transmission.
Hopefully it's as durable as claimed.
I put the posher 11 SPD on my Ebike a while ago, it does work as well as the marketing suggests.
Resurrecting this one as my lg700 cassette seems done. First bike I had it on was nicked so this one has 2000km on it. Full power ebike, steep climbs round here and I'm over 90kg kitted. I spin as much as I can though and have looked after it so had hoped for maybe 2500- 3000. How's everyone else getting on?
Pedalling like a singlespeeder, often on max assist, and usually in the smallest five spockets when commuting means I’m getting about 1000-1500 miles per cassette, taking them until the shifting is bad. Hopefully a less small sprocket commute in future will make cassettes last longer.
Am also pondering different lubes…
I’m on the 10 speed one because it’s cheaper and lighter and I don’t need the biggest sprocket!
Bought 11spd XT Linkglide in the hope it would last longer and be more robust than 12spd Shimano SLX/XT...
3rd ride out, I snapped yet ANOTHER useless soft as shit, best swiss cheese Shimano mech, clean through the parallelogram... My 5th in barely more than 20 rides...
I am now on SRAM Eagle 90, and very impressed so far... Far more robust and much better shift quality. For sure the cassette will be a lot more expensive to replace, but hopefully I won't have needed 15 derailleurs by the time I have worn out a cassette with the SRAM setup, cos that's about as many Shimano mechs as I'd have needed to come close to wearing out a cassette!
How are you snapping that many mechs? What's actually causing them to break? I've broken 1 in about 6 years of running Shimano 12 speed drivetrains on various bikes, and that was my fault, trying to bend it by hand to tweak the shifting. Albeit I was surprised it snapped.
I see some of the smallest Shimano cassette sprockets are now available as spares, since battery bikers (and maybe some of the rest of us) are wearing those out long before the whole cassette is toast.
How are you snapping that many mechs? What's actually causing them to break?
The weakness with Shimano's modern mechs is a known problem... Just like the issue with the snapping Ultegra crank arms, Shimano/Madison have been handling this one quietly and not officially owning up to it, but it's a known problem in the trade now...
1 of mine was a rock to be fair... Though not a big one, and I know any of the SRAM mechs I've had would have shrugged that impact off with nothing worse than a scratch to tell the tale.
The other 4 were measly little sticks, each time... Thrown up from the trail by either my front wheel or the rider in front each time. And we're not talking logs here... Dead wood, less than 1/4" thick... Each time just clean snapped the derailleur through the parallelogram link!
I'd love to tell you how long a Linkglide cassette lasts compared to a normal XT cassette (the shift quality sucks ass, it is way slower than even I was expecting but could live with that if it was durable enough), but I couldn't afford the derailleurs!
SRAM Eagle 90 is very impressive though!
Even accepting there's an issue with the mechs, you've been incredibly unlucky to do 5 of them in 20 rides. At that kind of failure rate I'd be getting through 40 mechs per year, lost all hope and got myself something with a gearbox. Which wouldn't take long to pay for itself. Is Stick Man hiding in the bushes firing twigs at mechs in your local woods?
Circling back to the topic. About 8 months on an XT linkglide drivetrain. No significant wear that I can detect (about 1000 miles in), but quite disappointed about much more susceptible the chain is to rust. I've not bothered drying my drivetrain after cleaning and before relubing for many years, but this setup really needs it. I've used steel chainrings before (Burgtec on this bike) before with no issues, but this begger seems to rust if you take your eyes off it for 5 minutes.