[Closed] Nomad 4?

looks awful! first SC trail bike ive seen that looks ugly!

its basically a mini v10 now pretty much! way too much travel for general riding for me, mint if you live or ride constantly at a bike park though!

still hope the rest of the SC bikes don't end up with the shock placement down there, it looks terrible

Is this new...?

Yes - soon to be released.

The numbers now confirm it, the Nomad is now a carbon Driver8. A totally pointless bike.

The Hightower & soon to be LT are going to sell like hotcakes.

I'm not sure they could have made it more ugly, or pointless.

This feels like a re-shuffling of the pack. I have friends that sold their DH bike and use their Nomads on 99% of stuff, but for example they won't take them down the Fort William WC track. This moves the Nomad properly into mini DH bike territory, and the shock placement doesn't seem to pose any problems on the V10???

I expect to see the Bronson move to 160mm and a 150/160mm Hightower soon.

The colour definitely doesn't do it any favours though. Terrible.

That new Nomad would definitely solve my current "what bikes should I take to the Alps this year?" dilemma. I'd leave my Enduro and Torque DH at home and take the new Nomad, plus my Aeris 120 for bigger less "gnarr" days.

It's not directly comparable with the existing Nomad and isn't a bike for every day use, but it definitely has it's place.

Looks nice in the Juliana colour
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kimbers - Member 
That looks very UK unfriendly ^^^

That's the thing. Americans are obsessed with never riding mud, so it's no worry to them. Though SC are Dutch owned now, but guess they don't ride mud or trails of any kind there anyway, just urban Dutch bikes.

BoardinBob - Member 
I expect to see the Bronson move to 160mm and a 150/160mm Hightower soon

Maybe, though I'd say the industry, or at least the consumer, is shifting towards lightweight smaller travel agile bikes. Not sure there's so much hunger for ever more big travel. Though guess you've still got to be "Enduro!", but a lot of people are realising the majority of their riding doesn't need that kind of bike.

On which note... I *really* love my 5010 😀

Bigger stuff I still have my old mk2 Nomad, but it's getting a lot less used. It's not trendy super long and slack either, but will do. I'm not paying £6/7/8k+ for a bike I'll use 10% of the time. And besides Nomad v4 is full on DH to me now. Not my kind of stuff.

I think it looks wicked in the JCB yellow 😀 Totally pointless bike though for me.

I'm not sure they could have made it more ugly, or pointless.

I think it looks really good actually, I dont buy into to the winter problematic shock position thing.

That's the thing. Americans are obsessed with never riding mud, so it's no worry to them. Though SC are Dutch owned now, but guess they don't ride mud or trails of any kind there anyway, just urban Dutch bikes.

Looks nice in the Juliana colour

Don't get it too close to that fire, it'll melt!

For reference - large V10 is 423mm reach and 440mm chainstays, large Nomad 4 is 460mm reach & 430mm CS (exactly the same as the Swoop, as I pointed out before)

I'm also expecting the V10 will move to 29er wheels permanently with no 27.5 version so the "mini V10" Nomad will serve those wanting smaller wheels but hard hitting

Interesting idea. I certainly can't see them wanting to offer two wheel sizes in their worst selling model, so you could well be right about that.

Interesting idea. I certainly can't see them wanting to offer two wheel sizes in their worst selling model, so you could well be right about that.

That depends on what they have to make. If they can do it by just making a different rear end and use the same front triangle then its not too expensive to make a second version.

I guess it depends on what Pon are prepared to pay for

Looks quite cool. As close to dh bike as you can get.

It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough descents it would make sense.

I'm glad they haven't ruined it by going to 29" wheels.
I have been waiting for the mk4 but don't think ill be changing my Nomad 3 just yet. For me the best bit of the nomad 3 was the fact I could ride it all day and it never felt like a compromise or a chore but soon as it pointed downhill it was as close to a mini dh bike as I have ever found. The mk4 just seems to push it out of the realms of everyday use and closer to a dh bike which is great but even though we have some good steep rough terrain and huge drops and jumps locally it doesn't warrant a DH bike.
Whilst I don't mind the looks but i'm not keen on the colours.

I will give one a demo before I make a decision though. I thought that the 165mm travel mk3 would be too much until I tried it and found it faster up most hills than my anthem or trance.

Not the type of bike for me, but if the new Bronson looked like that, with similar reach, 29" wheels, and cost about half as much as it's likely to.........

I won't sit on the fence.
Really liked the older models but not loving that.

I'm the opposite, I always thought SC made some hideous looking bikes, this is the first VPP I like!

Should have swept the toptube down a lot further to shorten that link - my eyes.

The shock will be fine, you lot dont know what youre talking about.....Giant Reigns only have a crappy seat tube to protect the shovk seals and yet lots of UK riders get on fine with those
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That fender will keep enough mud out..

Yes, changing the length of the link would alter the leverage ratio - but it is a pretty gopping way of going about getting the leverage ratio they wanted - there are literally hundreds of combinations of ways of achieving a desired levaerage ratio.

It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough descents it would make sense.

Do you live in Norfolk?.

Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales.....

Need I go on?.

Peaty's looks really nice with the ENVEs and 36s

The shock will be fine, you lot dont know what youre talking about.....Giant Reigns only have a crappy seat tube to protect the shovk seals and yet lots of UK riders get on fine with those
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That fender will keep enough mud out..

hmm cube may disagree...as do i 🙁
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and that guff fender kept no mud out! With the shock being led down it would be even worse?

Nobeerinthefridge - Member 

It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough descents it would make sense.

Do you live in Norfolk?.
Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales.....
Need I go on?.

and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupidly fast guy in the lakes who rides everything on a hardtail.... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for 🙄

theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a 120mm f/s, just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not 😉

FTFY

It's not really a bike for this country though. If you lived near a pedal to some huge rough [b]desert[/b] it would make sense.

Considering how much SC often lead the way there's perhaps more interesting stuff about this bike than the bike itself.

1) It's not an Enduro bike, SC say it's not a race bike at all, it's a riding gravity stuff when there's no lift bike (which in fairness is what 99% of people do with Enduro bikes anyway) so not quite a 'park bike' but it's the closest thing they have - someone said "Driver 8" yeah, well that wasn't a popular bike. Which means their Enduro racers will be on 29ers I guess, although to be frank a lot of them raced Bronsons anyway.

2) Color, or Colour as they're American - dark, moody, earthy colors - it's like 2005 all over again. SC helped usher in all the lurid neon stuff a few years ago, someone better tell Intense they've screwed up.

3) No, it's not very UK friendly, but SC aren't they shit frame bearing on the regular, VPP is terrible for it, even the new one. There's a guard so you don't scratch it on your pick-up bed, but a too small shock fender - this is a North American bike.

and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupidly fast guy in the lakes who rides everything on a hardtail.... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for

theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a 120mm f/s, just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not

And your point is completely down to confirmation Bias on your part. There's never any [i]need[/i], but to say it's 'not for this country' is utter tripe.

and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupid[s]ly fast [/s]guy [s]in the lakes [/s]who rides everything on a [s]hardtail[/s] [b]unicycle[/b][s].... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for [/s]

theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a [s]120mm f/s[/s][b]unicycle[/b], just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not [/s]

FTFY

Some people just like riding downhill faster?

It's nonsense to say that the UK is somehow smoother than anywhere else in the world, the riding in the Lake District, Peak, or Wales is as rough as you'd ride anywhere.

Nobeerinthefridge - Member 

and your point is?! you don't need a 170mm bike to ride down stuff fast, in the lakes, peaks or wales! theres a stupidly fast guy in the lakes who rides everything on a hardtail.... ive come to realise going from a nomad to 5010 that nomads etc just kinda take the fun out riding, people having huge travel bikes to try and plough down descents for KOMs on strava is about all they are good for

theres nothing in the UK you wouldn't get down on a 120mm f/s, just depends if you want to do it in the comfort of your armchair or not

And your point is completely down to confirmation Bias on your part. There's never any need, but to say it's 'not for this country' is utter tripe.

not at all tripe, ive had everything from 100mm hardtails to 165mm nomad, they all do the same job at the end of the day, just comfier and more forgiving the more travel you have from my experience

I don't think a mini dh bike with 170mm is for this country no, not particularly, but if you feel the need for it then good for you, unless you are riding revs/antur or racing on it throughout the year then to me you are way overbiked for probably 90% of your riding

you realise many moons ago we had no suspension and used to ride the same trails right?!

Ps im not having a dig, it will no doubt be a great bike as are all SC that ive ridden and it will still be a good bike for bigger days, but its gone from being an agressive trail bike (mk3) to basically being a smaller v10, which then becomes a pointless bike to me if its your second bike for big days just get a proepr DH bike

looks like a rad bike to me. I'd never buy one, pointless for me (have a 5010 and a DH bike, no, something in the middle would not be good as a trail bike or DH bike).

I do like it though.

I don't think a mini dh bike with 170mm is for this country no, not particularly, but if you feel the need for it then good for you, unless you are riding revs/antur or racing on it throughout the year then to me you are way overbiked for probably 90% of [s]your[/s][b]my[/b] riding

I live near Swinley, so yes.

But if I moved back to North Yorkshire then I could see something like this (but cheaper) getting a LOT of use.

I couldn't think of anything more pointless to ride around the UK on.

Your average 160mm 650b 'enduro sled' dulls the terrain enough already, let alone some saggy 170mm coil sprung mini DH bike.

Hob Nob - Member 

I couldn't think of anything more pointless to ride around the UK on.

Your average 160mm 650b 'enduro sled' dulls the terrain enough already, let alone some saggy 170mm coil sprung mini DH bike

Basicallly what im trying to say also 🙂

'Fun Sponge' is the term you're looking for I believe??

And for the record I think it's pretty ugly and for to much bike for me. But ride what you like, not sure you can be 'overbiked' it's just different strokes for different folks!

thisisnotaspoon - Member 
Some people just like riding downhill faster?

There's the V10 for that.

Your average 160mm 650b 'enduro sled' dulls the terrain enough already, let alone some saggy 170mm coil sprung mini DH bike.

Depends where you ride though.

I'll point out again that Swinley isn't exactly representative of the UK (skip to 2:15 for actual riding)

There's the V10 for that.

With almost 50% more travel again and not exactly something you can pedal up the hill.

Fun Sponge' is the term you're looking for I believe??

From a previous thread: Mince tank, lethargic misery wagon

Ignoring the colours, its not a looker and then you add the colours, my eyes!

Be interesting to see what the long travel 29er looks like. Currently musing over an Orange Stage 6 to replace my Reign.

Some people just like riding downhill faster?

There's the V10 for that.

Some of us like riding up and down mountains.

Depends where you ride though.

I'll point out again that Swinley isn't exactly representative of the UK (skip to 2:15 for actual riding)

Well, I live in the south, but ride and race all over the UK.

Still, must have missed on the video where you need a 170mm travel bike to ride what looks like a really good, fun trail (let alone the DH bike he's on).

Probably would have been better in something like the Dirt film, a bigger slice of pie where they are all smashing trails like that on trail bikes.

Still i'm sure it will sell great, we will no doubt have users single the praises of it climbing better than an XC bike, descending better than DH bike & still weighing 26ls with coils everywhere 🙂

I like the look of it, but following the discussion about slopping around in mud in my other thread, I'd be really concerned about having the shock mounted there when riding in muddy conditions. It's going to get some serious stick if you're riding in inclement weather.

I'm a fan of having the expensive slidey bits mounted good and high up (not a fan of inverted forks either!) rather than in the line of grime.

Reckon that we're looking at another Californian bike designed for Californian weather?

chakaping - Member 

Some people just like riding downhill faster?

There's the V10 for that.

Some of us like riding up and down mountains.

Bronson, Hightower, 5010, Tallboy. All fit that bill and all will do fine for "Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales....." etc.

Took my 5010 to the Lakes and was very thankful I did vs a big travel beast.

[quote=deadkenny ]chakaping - Member 
Some people just like riding downhill faster?
There's the V10 for that.
Some of us like riding up and down mountains.
Bronson, Hightower, 5010, Tallboy. All fit that bill and all will do fine for "Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales....." etc.
Took my 5010 to the Lakes and was very thankful I did vs a big travel beast.

This may be controversial, but it's ok to own more than one bike for different riding conditions!

Looking forward to demoing the new Nomad in a few weeks in the alps 😀

BoardinBob - Member 
This may be controversial, but it's ok to own more than one bike for different riding conditions!
Looking forward to demoing the new Nomad in a few weeks in the alps

I do, hence have a 5010 and Nomad (and hard tail) 😀

But I've come to realise the 5010 is plenty enough bike for the vast majority of what I do. The Nomad is old and I'm holding on to it thinking I need it for bigger stuff, but the likes of the above places it's just not needed. I'll use it for BPW, Stiniog, Rogate, Aston Hill, Cwmcarn DH etc. More in that I don't want to get my 5010 scratched up on an uplift 😀

To be fair, if someone gave me a Nomad v4 for free or very cheap, yeah I'd have it despite how ugly it is 🙂 . It wouldn't replace the 5010 though, which will still get the majority of riding (bearing in mind that's mostly Surrey Hills, surrounding area and trips to Wales and the like, and generally less trail-centre).

Each time a new Nomad has come along I've been thinking of replacing my old one with it, but then each new Nomad goes even further out of my reach in ability. Or rather justifying it for my lack of ability. It's overbiked for me now.

Bronson, Hightower, 5010, Tallboy. All fit that bill and all will do fine for "Tweed valley, Highlands, Lakes, Peaks, Wales....." etc.

Took my 5010 to the Lakes and was very thankful I did vs a big travel beast.

I'm very happy for you.

Shoot, I better get rid of my current bike, a Nomad 3, it's only 5mm less travel that the new one. It's a total barge of a bike and I couldn't possibly enjoy it on tame trails.. 😉

The new one has grown on me, quite a bit. I'm intrigued by the direction it's gone in - not quite dh not quite enduro. It's 5mm more travel at the rear than the previous Nomad yet it should have better pedaling efficiency due to the shock change. A friend is on the look out to replace his Nomad 3 so hopefully get the chance to demo the SC range and see how they all compare.

Look forward to seeing the rumoured long travel Hightower too.

Fortunately none of you short-travel try-hards are under any obligation to buy this.

I like it. In Ink anyway, the tan one is manky, but I don't think I've liked any bikes in that colour.

I like that it takes a bottle too, that's a trend I'm fully supportive of, I love riding with just a small waist pack for local/decent weather/trail centre rides.

Won't get one though, I can't afford a decent hardtail.

Anyone spotted the GX eagle on the US site too?? Interesting..

Click Nomad C and then the 's' build..

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