[Closed] My new Fat bike

Project - ginormo fat wheel.....FAIL 🙁

It's far to big to be usable although it does look mental. I'd need a frame about 6ft long to not get toe overlap and arms like a baboon to turn it. It comes up nearly 33" by 3.6" knob to knob which also rules out any fork in christendom other than a complete custom job.

Back to the drawing board.

a 650B version might just work 😉

bugger and arse..oh well I suppose the big fat fails will amuse some on here 😆

tazzymtb - Member
Project - ginormo fat wheel.....FAIL
It's far to big to be usable although it does look mental. I'd need a frame about 6ft long to not get toe overlap and arms like a baboon to turn it...

I've been thinking about your project since you mentioned it. Did a few scribbles on graph paper.

What I thought would be needed would be a steep head angle to keep the wheelbase short enough which would result in a very long TT. Then you would need bars with a big sweep back which would put your hands in about the usual position related to the front axle.

The lower part of the seat tube would need to be a duplex tube which would allow the large wheel to be further forward.

That was the only way I could see you getting a reasonable wheelbase, but I thought it was a workable proposition.

As for the fork. Did you ever see my DIY fatbike fork? I think some of the downhill forks have pretty wide stanchions. If one of those was converted like my fork I think you may be able to get your tyres in. Maybe all you need is a clapped out downhill fork (Plenty stanchion length to play with). Come to that, if you were building a frame it would be easy enough to knock up a wider fork crown.

I was hoping to keep it kind of fat bike 69er with a normal fat wheel in the back, oh well off road penny farthing fat bike anyone 😆

Mmmm. Just got back from a ride on my fatbike and a night out in the pub with a few mates. Some of them were on Specialized's and Giant's...

None of them accused me of being a niche snob.

Looks like a few others that have posted on this thread think that riding a bike that's not identical to theirs have no problem with it either.

Seems it is you that has the problem then grum.

Maybe a spin round on mine* would help you to smile a little and remember what having a laugh is like.

*Or anyone else that's offered.

Just been out to the shed and measured up my Salsa Enabler fork. It is approx 17" from axle to crown so your wheel may fit in so long as the tyre has enough curve to clear the fork crown.

I can lend it to you to try for size - can't let you keep it because I'll need it shortly for my next project.

My friends at the pub think I'm a niche freak for riding a bike regardless of tyre size, brand etc.

There all into this Liverunited and Arsnal Wednesday sh!te

cheers for the offer epicyclo, I'll probably muscle the beast into the car and go and see tim at sideways to play "which fork will this fit".

shep- you need new mates then 😉

Singlespeed_Shep - Member
My friends at the pub think I'm a niche freak for riding a bike regardless of tyre size, brand etc...

Jeez, a new niche! Pedestrian.

Probably feel superior to us cyclists because they can do their pedestrianising in shopping malls and stairs and stuff.

Burn the niche mongering heretics! 👿

Tazzy...your tyre...weight, cost, oics etcc please?

I'm pretty obsessed with cycling, and take my hat off to to the niche crew as I admire the way some of you celebrate cycling; I don't even have an issue if there is a bit of 'look at me' in it, why not? But these threads always collapse into the same names having some big group hug in response to a few less than sophisticated wind up merchants, it just makes you look a bit precious. I love seeing all the pictures of the bonkers, to my mind, contraptions some of you are riding, but I'm starting to avoid these threads due to the repetive bitching and the trying too hard responses. So from my purely selfish point of view, ignore the haterz and just keep posting pictures of mad bikes and your adventures, ta.

I wanted a fatbike so I WOULD feel superior and be able to sneer at trail monkeys ... i'm a touch upset now after reading the post, to know that this might not happen 😉

well,I've just come back from the first real test ride on the Frankenfat,it didn't break or crack,and I didn't die.
Few small tweeks needed,stem and seat position,slightly dragging rear brake,that's it really,oh and a big huge **** off mudguard required,boy do Larrys chuck some water up ! (mind you Chase is Very wet this morning)

so basically 😆 😆 😆

did have two separate people stop me to ask about it,and that was at about 7.00 a.m.

so the attention seeking/grabbing defo working well 😉

Here's a fat bike video that actually looks cool and fun - not just being smug about riding through a bog. 😉

Seems it is you that has the problem then grum.

I do have a problem with you as it goes - you've seriously offended me in the past so mebbe I am bearing a bit of a grudge which I guess is a bit pointless. Thanks for the offer of a go on your bikes though, would probably be up for it but I think you're a bit far away.

Good work keef - looking forward to seeing the pics of how you did it.

I really don't know why a few (and it is just a few) constantly come onto <pic 'niche' thread> to bitch about it. It wouldn't occur to me to slate anyone who rides a major brand 'standard' bike.

Do these people also go on car forums to deride anyone who doesn't drive a Ford Fiesta?

Damn meant to post this link.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/surly-pusley-in-sand-dunes-and-a-wee-crash-video

Looks like ace fun.

Do these people also go on car forums to deride anyone who doesn't drive a Ford Fiesta?

Try reading what I actually posted instead of putting words into my mouth. Dunno why everyone gets so het up TBH...

it just makes you look a bit precious.

Grum

Firstly, you assume I was talking specifically about you. I wasn't, so it would be rather difficult to put words in your mouth.
But seeing as you have brought it up, here's a few of your contributions

Just wondering, once fat bikes become too common and boring like just having a singlespeed rigid 29er or whatever - what is going to be the next niche for everyone to froth over?

but I can think of far more interesting places to ride a bike. I've seen quite a few sneery posts from fatbike users about people who ride at trail centres etc.

Mebbe, I've just seen quite a few posts from the fatbike users along the lines of 'I ride my bike in these unusual places which makes me special and better than other people'

Well personally I consider these 'fat bikes' to be terribly dull and vanilla.

I feel a bit sorry for people who need an unusual bike to make themselves feel special, and are constantly unsatisfied and looking for the next fad.

Obviously at least one of those was said tongue in cheek (hopefully) but the basic tone was set and you have tried to backtrack considerably in the latest posts.

You are as entitled to your opinion as anyone else on here but don't go bleating when someone disagrees with you and defend themselves against accusations of snobbery and their right to ride WTF they want.

Obviously at least one of those was said tongue in cheek (hopefully) but the basic tone was set and you have tried to backtrack considerably in the latest posts.

Whatever. You've missed out quoting the bit on the first page where I said that fat bikes looked like fun. That sand dune video actually looks like something fun you couldn't really do on a normal bike - which isn't something I've really seen much evidence of before.

Are people really so sensitive that they can't take a small amount of ribbing or the suggestion that something might not be the most amazing thing ever without getting all upset up about it?

Oh well, I guess that makes it all ok then 🙄

Oh I'm sorry, perhaps I should just make some insulting tags - that would be the constructive thing to do eh?

Thanks for pointing out the tags. Two of the four are 'niche follower' jibes - your point is?

Well I didn't make any of them - but my point is some people are choosing to make personal insults via the fairly cowardly method of tags, and yet apparently I'm the one being unreasonable? 😆

Both groups said that they felt that ‘people’ or ‘they’ perceive them in a negative way. This suggests that they construct themselves as being ‘outside’ mainstream culture (see Quote 3, Appendix B). The construction here is of an identity of a group that defines themselves more favourably than the norm.

The participants were aware of their role as ‘outsiders’. They spoke about prejudice from ‘people’ and ‘them’, suggesting that society perceives them negatively. They identified themselves in contrast to the ‘mainstream’ and the ‘norm’, generally constructing this as rule-governed, inflexible and intolerant, whilst their own group was free, open-minded, and accepting. They generally constructed their identities in contrast to ‘normal’ people of their age who followed fashion and trendy music. They have responded to accusations of ‘otherness’ and ‘difference’ by embracing these qualities as positive.

Any of this sound familiar? It's from a sociological study of Goths and Satanists. 😛

Anyway...........

any fool that tries to carry out a sociological study on a genre of music and a sub sect of Christianity as if they are somehow linked is obviously massively misguided and knows cock all about their subject matter.

A bit like you when you pop up as the "harbinger of whining ya bag off" on any thread about anything different to you grum.

you've seriously offended me in the past so mebbe I am bearing a bit of a grudge which I guess is a bit pointless. Thanks for the offer of a go on your bikes though, would probably be up for it but I think you're a bit far away.

Thank you grum.

That means a lot to me that you've moved on from any offence that i've caused in the past.

What is the point of stu's handlebars...? I get the "sweep" of them, actually I like that. But use is the "top" bar fo the handlebar?

still s8tannorm - Member
I wanted a fatbike so I WOULD feel superior and be able to sneer at trail monkeys ... i'm a touch upset now after reading the post, to know that this might not happen

The problem is that a fatbike will take you so far away from the trail monkeys (they won't be able to follow) that you'll get no benefit from any feelings of superiority or 'look at me'.

The point is a fatbike does something no other bike can do. It's not like, say, fixies and geared bikes in the city. You can ride either quite effectively there - maybe a tad more skill for the fixie, but that doesn't take long.

But the fatbike is the ONLY tool for the job it is used for. If you like that sort of riding, there's no choice, no fashionable alternative. Just the fatbike.

juan - Member
What is the point of stu's handlebars...? I get the "sweep" of them, actually I like that. But use is the "top" bar fo the handlebar?

All you need to know is here form there inventor

http://www.jonesbikes.com/h-bar.html

epicyclo - Member

But the fatbike is the ONLY tool for the job it is used for. If you like that sort of riding, there's no choice, no fashionable alternative. Just the fatbike.

They also do stuff other bikes can't do, today mine was amazing at climbing up techy stuff much better riders than me on hardtails and full sussers coudn't get up.... And I'm shite. It's all about the bike..

But use is the "top" bar fo the handlebar?

If you're asking what use the front part of the bar has it's great for extra hand positions, hanging a light off/hanging a GoPro off/hanging a drybag harness off.

oh and it also doubles up a a Frenchconfuseicater. 😉

JohnClimber - Member
...today mine was amazing at climbing up techy stuff much better riders than me on hardtails and full sussers coudn't get up.... And I'm shite. It's all about the bike..

Also shite here, and yet the fatbike gets me through tech stuff I'd normally hoof it through. It's also better (for me) on fast loose descents. A real skills compensator. 🙂

Hi Epicyclo. I see you are in one piece after the paintballing! Alex was telling us about you stalking someone at the paintballing a few years ago while someone had you in their sights.. followed by a hard blow to your neck! You learned then,so this time round you must have taken care and read up about it!

Someone mentioned the fat bikes were a bit iffy when at speed on rough descents. When i read this last night i didnt think anything of it but today i was thinking about it after a descent and i thought that there might be a bit of uncontrollable rebound in the tyres that is going to be a bit of a tricky one to get around.We obviously have to deal with the effect of a normal sized tyre returning to its shape but we will barely,if at all notice it.. but a fat tyre returning to its shape could be noticeable,to the point of it becoming a problem at certain speeds over rough rocky ground.Something that you obviously cannot slow right down while still keeping a decent pressure,like the rebound of a fork or shock. Thats something that even super tacky compounds wont alter because air in a large volume tyre is.. air in a large volume tyre! Or am i thinking/talking puirpishh? Maybe i`m worrying about something that never going to be a problem in fatbike land.

Martinxyz - Rigid Fat bikes are not built for fast down hilling over big rocks or big jumps. You will get hurt I should know 3 nights in hospital and 3

broken ribs to prove it

 

Dh on a fat bike is ok with me. Two races this year both went well until got a massive puncture. The big footprint gives awesome cornering traction. It will never be as good as a dedicated dh bike but it's pretty damned fine.

I also raced mine at Ssuk and killed the short techie climbs. Someone asked afterwards how come you fly up the short techy climbs and then push on the gradual fireroad climbs. It's happy on tech but sluggish on long climbs and I was knackered.

Hi Martin, not really that much bounce with low pressures. My limitation on descents has always been a reluctance to ride faster than the grip of my tyres, and the fatbike grips much better. However my idea of faster on a downhill probably doesn't approach your idea of slow...

I think if you want to jump a fatbike, you have to consider that you have 2 huge flywheels with much more mass than anything you're used to, so precession forces etc will be greater.

As for paintball, black eye, cut on top of head, plenty blood, extensive bruising. Caused by heroic dive over a fallen tree and an attempt to move a stump out of the way with my least used body part. Consolation, in Scrotes v Humans, Humans won. 🙂

I think if you want to jump a fatbike, you have to [s]consider that you have 2 huge flywheels with much more mass than anything you're used to, so precession forces etc will be greater.[/s][b]just get on with it, without over thinking everything the same as jumping any bike[/b]

Rigid Fat bikes are not built for fast down hilling over big rocks or big jumps. You will get hurt I should know 3 nights in hospital and 3 broken ribs to prove it

That wasn't the bikes fault tho was it?. and how do you manage to even get admitted to a ward, never mind an overnight stay for broken ribs?

You're right it was all my fault for
1) Riding with flats after years of spd's
2) Looking too far ahead and been complacent on a jump I've done a hundred times before
& The 3 night in hospital were for observation because I was unconscious after the crash for about 40 minutes, split my helmet and in agony down my left hand side, do you want to see the scars? 😉

Has anybody spent much time on the big fat Larry? How does it compare the Larry tire?

Also I presume the Nate is for mud\dirt and not snow\sand?

I don't know what the Nate will be like in the snow but it is the bollox in mud rocks and general trails

I took my Nate/fat front tyre off today and put on a normal 29er front wheel - boy was I blown away by the acceleration and cornering response!

It's nice to have the choice - Nate was peerless yesterday on South Downs slippery slick chalk 😀

Yet to try the Big Fat Larry.

anyone tried pedalling with a nate front and rear yet ?

nate was great on the front this weekend, dug in really well in wet muddy corners and wet leaves

did get some spin from a larry mounted backwards on the rear, have a nate on order for the back so will see how it goes

I think it will be a good snow tyre for snow in the Uk , which it usually not too deep, slushy and wet with mud underneath

cozz. i ran with the same combo on Sat and found the rear facing larry comically twitchy in the corners and slipping when pedalling through goop. but the nate is unbelievably planted . i have another nate sat waiting to go on the back but have held off until now

<Laughing at the "moving of a stump with my least used body part"

I heard about "soupgate" too!

Now that you mentioned the pressure of the tyres, it all comes flooding back just how soft they are run having "thumbed" your tyres. Rebound compared to a normal tyre was nothing. I need to get a wee spin on it some time. Maybe i`ll end up buying one before building the spearfish!

I have a BFL front & Nate rear, but going nate/nate by end of the week 😈

I really rate the BFL, but for this time of year, it does not have enough side grip in corners or when trying to crawl out of landrover tracks etc.

Different tyres for different jobs, BFL & larry are my choice for beach riding, but don't really work as an all round tyre in the UK IMO.

I will be riding Nate/Nate through the winter for mix trail riding on 80mm rims & I will be building a 2nd set of wheels with 100mm rims to fit the larry/BFl onto for beach riding.