bazza17 - Member
Can these bikes go on Thule 591 roof carriers of are they too FAT..?
Work fine, you just need to use bungees on the wheels as the normal straps aren't big enough:
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My Nate's just arrived. They're HUUUUUGGGGEEE!!!! 😀
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Cheers CTBM!
Coastkid, loved the Cheviot video. Made me very homesick indeed. I think one of these bikes would make year round Cheviot rides far more practical. Not that I have ever ridden one I just imagine the times I have had the front front wheel sinking in bogs.
Swavis - Is your work just an extension of the bike shed? 🙂
Fattys are easy to transport on the roof, I use an old rear wheel for mounting onto any rack. Simples.
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motorman - Member
Swavis - Is your work just an extension of the bike shed?
What makes you say that? 😉
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Luckily I have an understanding boss.
uphillcursing - Member
Coastkid, loved the Cheviot video. Made me very homesick indeed. I think one of these bikes would make year round Cheviot rides far more practical. Not that I have ever ridden one I just imagine the times I have had the front front wheel sinking in bogs.
As first few seconds here shows sometimes even a fat bike won`t help you on the Cheviots 
I had my first proper outing on my 9:ZERO:7 this morning and found that it was as easy to pedal around my local hills as any of the other bikes I've owned from a Scott Scale to the 6" travel bikes I've had in the past.
I agree with coastkid, weight doesn't play as big a part as people sometimes think, geometry plays a bigger part. Sorry for possibly stating the obvious.
I found myself pushing hard on the pedals at first, thinking it would be a slog to get going but was surprised when the bike just lifted off. The loose climbs I rode were taken in its stride and the downhills seemed fine although I decided to take it easy as the bike is quite different to navigate from previous bikes. Obviously turning those large wheels requires a different technique which I'll get to grips with with experience.
I'm not certain of the weight but at a guess, maybe 35lbs-ish?
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Nice 🙂
9zero7 need a UK distributer!
Mate Si texted me today to say he has got a domain name secure for a UK Fatbike website!. It will be up and running hopefully next week.
Been chatting with him a few days about this. Seeing as things are going to get real popular soon what with the new found interest in the xc riding side of things and Surly Krampus 29= 3" coming soon it would be good to get it all under one roof as some folk do not use Facebook and Singletrack forum or MTBR fatbike forum. Often posts dissapear off the front quickly on many sites.
So, a hub for UK fatbike owners with threads for all our types of riding.
A forum only viewable by accepted folk so it does not run into a mass of pages.
We can use it to organise the Gatherings, bivvi weekends, day rides etc...
Also be sticky (fixed) threads for all our UK riding;
xc, beach,snow (prey again!), racing, builds threads, a What part threads for new builds etc, fat curious folk, Ride report thread, swap/sell thread etc...
Be what we make it.... -:)
let you know when its up and running...
This thread has started to get me thinking Fat....one more question (forgive me if it has been covered before).
What about sticky mud sticking to tyres, mud clearance and the uber weight of a 3"tyre pastered in mud....
are you saying my nice new 29er was a waste of money? I've been out-niched?
bugger
The extra weight gives you stronger legs. 😉
[quote=julioflo ]This thread has started to get me thinking Fat....one more question (forgive me if it has been covered before).
What about sticky mud sticking to tyres, mud clearance and the uber weight of a 3"tyre pastered in mud....
That'll be an interesting one. Prior to the Husker Du and Nate the tyres didn't have a great depth of tread so tended to "float over" rather than "drag through" mud. That's not to say that some specific consistencies of mud aren't so sticky that they'd even adhere to teflon-coated tyres 🙂
Mud clearance on the mainstream models isn't so bad, although certain combinations of tyre/rim and gearing can result in the chain cleaning the driveside of the tyre.
The Krampus (29er fattie) looks to be severely compromised regarding mud clearance (i.e. there is none). I guess the designers didn't consider it a requirement 🙄
Druid, Surly have addressed the issue and the production Krampus has a lot more clearance than the samples you might have seen.
I put my Nate on my Jones today (mud everywhere 🙁 ) - I actually thought it looked quite small compared to a Big Fat Larry 😀 !! - I managed to loose the front wheel on some slick chalk today - so there are some situations where a Nate will loose it!
Anyway, they sound ace. I'd love to try one. Anyone have one in the South West / near Dartmoor? I'm thinking they'd make mince meet of grassy/slightly boggy moortops and loose rocky descents...
[quote=Sideways Tim ]Druid, Surly have addressed the issue and the production Krampus has a lot more clearance than the samples you might have seen.
Oh good. I reckon that a sorted Krampus could be a "beast" for lots of UK riding 🙂
I agree. Was surprised how nimble it was.
I'm working on 907 at the minute - couldn't afford to do it before, but...
julioflo
Anyone have one in the South West / near Dartmoor? I'm thinking they'd make mince meet of grassy/slightly boggy moortops and loose rocky descents...
I've not seen one down here, but I have seen fatbike tracks on the Southern moor in the past (up near Redlake) ... might have been a migrant tho'. 😉
My Swift has 30mm rims and 2.4's on it, which give me just a hint of what full fat-biking could be like, and ... (dodgy I know, but) extending the way he rides, I'd expect boggy moors and loose rocky [rotting granite] descents would be fine. 🙂
I've definitely got one on my shopping list - just got to decide which one!
Stanfree, your right about The Yak. He seems to offend nearly everyone he comes in contact with. If he wasn't such an unbelievably awesome rider I don't think anyone would tolerate him at all.
Some more films for the "fat for xc" curious 🙂
Sadly not mine, but I fell in love with this at the NEC...
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Currently running a 2.4 EVO Racing Ralph on the back of it & loving the way it feels at a lower pressure.
"it" being a Niner by the way.
Mate Si texted me today to say he has got a domain name secure for a UK Fatbike website!. It will be up and running hopefully next week.
Sounds good, I'll keep my eyes peeled for it!
I've not seen one down here, but I have seen fatbike tracks on the Southern moor in the past (up near Redlake) ... might have been a migrant tho'
I thought I'd seen fatbike spoor in the woods outside Bovey last year, turned out that it was a young disabled kid on an oversized tricycle..
Woot! 9:ZERO:7 frames are on the way 🙂
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That new frame looks fantastic!!!
Nooooo. £?
Tim - gonna get some hangers and stuff too?
I've received my frame and forks and I've got got my front wheel built and trued. Just need my toobs and new cables to show up then get the rear wheel parts ordered next week and I should be good to go! 😀
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I'll be getting frames, hangers, forks and probably hubs. No idea of prices yet until stuff lands and I can do the sums. I'll chuck 'em on the website once I have prices.
[quote=Teetosugars ]That new frame looks fantastic!!!
That's like mine.
Pros: low top tube means load of ball clearance for the short-arses.
Cons: low top tube means frame bags are restricted in capacity 🙂
Liking this thread.......must resist 😈
Can you put a Rohloff hub in one of these frames?.......hope its a no then I can stop looking at buying one.
[quote=lipseal ]Can you put a Rohloff hub in one of these frames?.......hope its a no then I can stop looking at buying one.
If it's an offset (135mm) frame, then yes you can. Pugsleys have horizontal dropouts. 9:ZERO:7s are available with slidey dropouts.
http://9zero7bikes.com/9zero7-sliding-rear-dropout/
I had an Alfine in my 9:ZERO:7 with a Phil Woods Philcentric EBB.
Can you put a Rohloff hub in one of these frames?.......hope its a no then I can stop looking at buying one.
Yes - the Pugsley I put a pic up of was a Rohloff one I built...
Oh no. Been reading all about the Krampus. It makes the decision about "which 29er" much easier. Forget it, get a Krampus instead. End of. Saving has officially started.
Some frames have 135 dropouts and require an offset wheel, but they're easy enough to build. If the frame has 170mm dropouts, then you can't fit a Rohloff or Alfine without an adapter of some sort. I've only ever seen Salsa 170-135 adapters, no idea if they work well or not.
[quote=Sideways Tim ]Some frames have 135 dropouts and require an offset wheel, but they're easy enough to build. If the frame has 170mm dropouts, then you can't fit a Rohloff or Alfine without an adapter of some sort. I've only ever seen Salsa 170-135 adapters, no idea if they work well or not.
IIRC the problem with those adapters is that you still use a skewer suitable for a 170mm rear end. That means you can use your favourite standard MTB rear hub, but you'd need to somehow get a replacement Rohloff/Alfine axle. That's a fundamental part of those hubs and so this is very unlikely.
They would work with a Rohloff (theoretically), but not Alfine.
I'd go 135 offset and it'll all just work 🙂
I really could do with trying one out, before I make room for one.
Lipseal - where are you?
hope its a no then I can stop looking at buying one.
Not only will the 9:ZERO:7 work with a Rohloff it'll work with a belt drive as well! Wish I hadn't opened this thread.
lipseal - Member
I really could do with trying one out, before I make room for one.
Come back to Delamere and you can have a fling around on mine..
Ok Nick your on, wont be this week but good chance the week after. Your mobile number still the same?
lipseal - Member
Ok Nick your on, wont be this week but good chance the week after. Your mobile number still the same?
No,- drop me a line - teetosugars@gmail.com..
I get married next sat, and heading to New York after that but will be around after that..
We'll get it squared away.. 🙂
Ok… congratulations anyway. …… wish I was getting divorced 😉
That is good news about the 9zero7 frames & parts being available this side of the pond Tim.
Please order up some hangers for the 2011 frames, I only have 1 spare left now - they are fairly weak 😉
Great news your doing the 9zero7 now for the UK Tim 🙂
Its a great option to the Surly or Salsa options here in the UK. They are all great bikes 🙂
Dragged out my Moonlander today as mostly been riding the Pugsley with friends lately. Take this beast into the right enviroment (for myself that is really soft sand on the coast) and it really rewards 🙂
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Loving this.....
coastkid-
Seeing as things are going to get real popular soon what with the new found interest in the xc riding side of things
..yep, fat bikes do xc well, 90% of all the riding on mine has been 😀
Often posts dissapear off the front quickly on many sites.
A UK specific MTBR stylie site would be nice,
So, a hub for UK fatbike owners with threads for all our types of riding.
8)
Whats the damage on a slidy 907 ?
This tempts me greatly.
Have a rohloff going spare at the moment so 135 offset on 67 or 80 mm rims tempts me ......
This was supposed t be a cheap rim swap not a whole bike swap 🙂
Drop me a mail with 907 in the subject and as soon as I have pricing and delivery info I'll let you know.
Address in my profile (probably).
Can't believe we've got onto the seventh page without the haterz diving in!
[quote=drofluf ]Can't believe we've got onto the seventh page without the haterz diving in!
Funny - I was just thinking earlier that reaching 7 pages must be a sign of the times. Fat is obviously becoming more acceptable. Just wait for the spaffing over the new On One 🙂
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Actually I think I may have found a reason to not want one - I take it no one makes a dynamo hub in the right size. I think I'd like the answer to be no they don't. 🙂
It's been done. You can fit a 4" tyre in many non-fat forks with a standard 100mm dropout. You might need to fiddle about during wheel removal as the tyre will struggle past the caliper.
But they do make a fork -just use a pugsley 100mm spaced, non offset fork & you can run any front hub you want.
FWIW, The Bike Chain in Edinburgh have a 18" White Pugsley frame and fork on sale for £299 at the moment.
What do you need(for a pugsley) over and above the frame and forks. As in special components.
Wheels (or at least rims), tyres, tubes, cranks.
That's a good price for the pug, but how much extra would it cost to get it up and running?
lipseal - Member
That's a good price for the pug, but how much extra would it cost to get it up and running?
I'd guess about another £1k?
3-2-1 it's gone. Last one etc.
😀
I'd guess about another £1k?
I hope not! I'll be raiding the parts bin, but I'm hoping outlay for wheels and tyres is around £400 and I have an ISIS chainset that I'm hoping all I'll need to get is a 100mm BB.
So I could run a Rohloff a belt drive and a dynamo hub with one of those 9:ZERO:7 frames! I better get saving.
I'd guess about another £1k?
That's what I thought, by the time you sort wheel builds, tyres and general faff.
That's a good price for the pug, but how much extra would it cost to get it up and running?
I'm doing exactly this with a Mukluk frameset. I'm building the wheels up with 47mm wide trials rims to save a bit of cash over the Surly offerings.
So far,
Tyres = £120 for 27tpi Nates from CTBM
Rims+Strips = £120 from Tarty Bikes
Tubes = £16 from Triton
Front hub = £33 from CRC (135mm singlespeed rear)
Rear hub = £160-ish but still working on it
Spokes = £36 CRC
100 ISIS BB = £45 from Winstanleys
so £530 so far and I still need a skewer.
A Pugsley would only need a 135mm hub so could be done a fair bit cheaper.
So I could run a Rohloff a belt drive and a dynamo hub with one of those 9:ZERO:7 frames! I better get saving.
Now why did you have to mention belt drive!
I hope not! I'll be raiding the parts bin,
Thats just it, if you've got a parts bin with a full drive train, and saddle/ post/ stem/bars etc, then you could do it cheaper...
Thats just it, if you've got a parts bin with a full drive train, and saddle/ post/ stem/bars etc, then you could do it cheaper...
Aye I know, I realised I had a load of stuff I wanted to sell to finance the On One bike, I'll hopefully come in a few hundred quid better off with some better kit albeit not new.
Since this has turned into a bit chatty, I hope the OP doesn't mind.
I'm looking at rim options. Because the bike is a bit of an extravagance I'm looking at keeping a tight reign on the budget. What £wise options are out there? As I live about 10 yards from the beach I'll probably be on it now and then. Should I be looking for something a bit wider than a trials rim?
There is a german 'chopper' shop similar [url= http://www.choppersus.com/store/category/3/71/Rims-Only/ ]to this US one[/url] that has 'cheap rims' - can't remember it name at the mo 😕
[url= http://classic-cycle.de/en/Ready-Spanned-Wheels-Rims-Parts/Rims/Alu-Rim-DHL-80-26-inch-80-mm-flat-black-oxid.html?listtype=search&searchparam=rim ]here it is - but you may need to drill to suit- [s]£[/s] Euros 45/rim[/url]
YoKaiser - The wider the better especially in soft sand.
80mm minimum
FFS, I have never been interested, but this stupid thread & with the beach & more importantly the massive expanse of mud flats at low tide right outside my door, maybe I have new places I should be exploring...
YoKaiser - Member
Since this has turned into a bit chatty, I hope the OP doesn't mind.
I don't mind at all matey, all good info here 8)
Although tbh I was only expecting 3 or 4 posts max, certainly not 7 pages!! 😯
[quote=swavis ]I'm building the wheels up with 47mm wide trials rims
It's a mistake and will cost you more in the long run.
Why do you think 47mm rims are a mistake for trail riding....just curious, that's all?
I would say they are the perfect balance between weight & float if you are [u]not[/u] going to be riding conditions require ultimate float as a major consideration.
I personally find my 80's to be OTT when riding around Swavis's neck of the woods. The riding is still fun, but I would rather be lugging a lighter wheel uphill on a regular basis, esp when wearing a set of nates...
Sandman seem to do areet on their 47mm set up 😆
YoKaiser - If the beach is now & again, 80mm will be perfect all rounder. If you local conditions are really soft, or you think you might be riding the coast on a more regular basis, the 100mm may suit better. It depends on what your riding is mainly going to involve condition wise.
[quote=motorman ]Why do you think 47mm rims are a mistake for trail riding....just curious, that's all?
Because swavis wants them for snow and sand too. That'll just mean another set of rims/wheels later - therefore more expensive in the long run!
I see your point 8) , but I can have just the same fun & ride 95% the conditions on my "small" 42mm rims as I can on my 80mm.
The both work fine, but I would still be running the narrower rims if I were riding hills & rocks most of the time, rather than sand & pebbles.
This is weirdly interesting, can I ask a couple of dumb questions please:
1. How would a fat bike fare on the mix of peat bog and gritstone in the the Peak, also the mud and slippage of the limestone in the White Peak - I have never seen one around here.
2. If running a fat bike in the above locality, what ratio would be best for a 26" SS? Gave up gears a year ago and want to stay "clean!"
Ta, Paul. 😀