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Gotta stick up for weeksy here.... I think he makes a fair point. He was just asking a question.
The fact that someone has dug some non legal trails is not his fault.
The fact that LordHereditaryToffForMillenia doesn't pay any taxes and provides no access is not Weeksy's fault.
The fact that everyone hates cyclists is not weeksy's fault.
The fact that locals have been riding these trails and jeopardising Podge' s attempts to gain access is not Weeksy's fault.
He's opened a can of worms here, but he didn't put the worms in there ( or something)
I’m confused
I doubt that.
Everyone knows there are ways to work out where stuff is. Some require about 5 minutes of active research to ask the right people, some require just reading a few bits on t'interwebz. In this day and age it ain't difficult.
But you and thepodge are cut from the same cloth to an extent in that neither of you can resist getting your point across at every possible opportunity by going on and on and on....
Until you throw your toys and flounce.
The world as it is:
1) Stupidly there are large areas of the countryside that are banned to mtb riders and pretty much all the other interested parties are either neutral about this or actively (some very) opposed. It really shouldn't be like it is.
2) Unofficial trails will always appear, by either being ridden in and/or built.
3) These trails, because of their characteristics, will be fun.
4) They will be elicit.
5) They will get more popular.
6) This increased use will either lead to an accident or confrontation which will lead to....
7) The landowner solving the 'problem' by blocking/destroying the trails.
We should not be speeding up 5-7 by discussing on an open forum.
And if anyone thinks the trails being talked about here can't be blocked or destroyed a simple wire fence across a contour line mid-way up the hillside would make these trails way less fun.
These trails, because of their characteristics, will be fun.
4) They will be elicit.
This made me laugh. The only person here who is trying to elicit is Weeksy, and you're not letting him. 😝
Weeksy, no need to apologise for asking. I would assume that most people on here and most riders in general sometimes ride cheeky stuff.
I'm not that fussed either way, but one thing I'd point out is that there is a difference between riding footpaths, which tends to be what 'cheeky' has meant historically, and building and riding your own trails from scratch. I guess it gets more blurry when you're riding trails that someone else has built, maybe. I'm just pointing that out because the two seem to have become a little conflated and if you're going to start dragging the Kinder Trespass into the debate, it's arguably more relevant on the footpath side of things.
Anyway, I'm sure there are Peak locals on here who'd offer to show you round Weeksy. I'd offer myself, but I'm still getting over ****ing long covid.
But you and thepodge are cut from the same cloth to an extent in that neither of you can resist getting your point across at every possible opportunity by going on and on and on….
LOL i thought this was the first contentious thread i've ever posted.
Anyway, I’m sure there are Peak locals on here who’d offer to show you round Weeksy.
May be slightly tricky due to being with a 13 year old who's quite specific on his riding, going up isn't on his want list... but clearly to go down you have to go up 😀
in some ways riding with his is amazing, in some ways it's frustrating, i don't like frustrating others and it sometimes takes a certain mindset. There's also the fact that we're in the Peaks for 6 days but which days we're riding and not haven't been set in stone yet... i may well put up a thread closer to the time.
On the one time i went to peaks a lot of the stuff we rode, my lad wouldn't fancy. So we may end up at Lady Cannings for a day out sessioning the blues there and maybe head up the path to the left and doing a random trail up the top there or 2.
So we may end up at Lady Cannings
Well, thank **** we've spent three pages splashing secret trails all over the Internet then....
get a grip you clown. I've had enough of this rubbish. Stop being a complete and utter plum.
I'll say it again, how the hell would i know this fact without actually bloody asking. I'm not a mind-reader.
If they're so bloody secret, get them pulled from Youtube.
@Weeksy
I don't fancy dragging a climbing-averse 13 year old around (probably for me to get spanked on the descents), but happy to put a few gpx routes together for you. Will be mostly legal!
@weeksy it says where they are on the YT comments, this whole thread was unnecessary
1) Can we all agree that Weeksy isn't in the wrong for just asking the question? I suppose if he knew the trails were definitely cheeky it might have been more sensible to ask in private, but that wasn't obvious from merely watching a video (and anyone who reads YT comments should have a word with themselves).
2) Can we all agree that we probably shouldn't advertise this sort of trail? It seems like the neither the MTB-advocacy people nor the I'll-ride-wherever crew want an explosion of people riding there. So let's keep this sort of thing on the quiet as much as possible. Is that possibly a consensus?
I don’t fancy dragging a climbing-averse 13 year old around (probably for me to get spanked on the descents), but happy to put a few gpx routes together for you. Will be mostly legal!
I may be being a little harsh on him, but that would be awesome mate... thank you.
Well, thank **** we’ve spent three pages splashing secret trails all over the Internet then….
Sorry, but how big do you think the STW forum is? It's not the front page of Pinkbike is it?
1) Can we all agree that Weeksy isn’t in the wrong for just asking the question? I suppose if he knew the trails were definitely cheeky it might have been more sensible to ask in private, but that wasn’t obvious from merely watching a video.
2) Can we all agree that we probably shouldn’t advertise this sort of trail? It seems like the neither the MTB-advocacy people nor the I’ll-ride-wherever crew want an explosion of people riding there. So let’s keep this sort of thing on the quiet as much as possible. Is that possibly a consensus?
Seems reasonable to me, but I'd also suggest:
3) If you've seen a video on YouTube and want to know where it is, looking at the comments is a sensible first step - both to gather clues and judge how contentious it might be.
I know I'm guilty of moaning about all the Tommy C hype-a-like videos that are springing up, while sometimes sleuthing out where they filmed are as well.
I'm not sure anyone should be having a pop at weeksy - he asked a question, maybe naively, - and its all the commentators who are piling on to each other.
While I accept the access laws in England are rubbish and need updating, I think
Whaddabout the Kinder Trespass?
that I've also been guilty of shouting at times ignores the fact that the Kinder Trespass probably didn't achieve what a lot of us seem to think it did, and also split the outdoor movement at the time.
A mass MTB trespass may be what is needed to force our point. Dicking about in the woods and jeopardising years of effort and ongoing discussions with a landowner may not be the most helpful action in this particular case.
Cheeky to me has always been stuff we shouldn't be on.
I'm not dragging Kinder Trespass or anything into a debate
What I meant was that if we are doing it then let's use a bit of common sense in where we splash it about.
Even my daughter who rides there on a weekly basis and will be today has the since not to splash it over the Internet.
This isn't a dig a weeksy, it's more about the video
Sorry, but how big do you think the STW forum is?
Third in the UK for traffic behind Cycling news and road cc, and 16th largest worldwide, so yeah, stuff posted on here has reach...
Tommy C hype-a-like videos
How you can even endure 2 minutes of him, is impressive.
this whole thread was unnecessary
In some ways very much so, but weeksy got to have a ruck on STW, so perhaps not.
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As above.
This made me laugh. The only person here who is trying to elicit is Weeksy, and you’re not letting him
Bugger. I usually try to pick up on other people's spelling and grammar to wind them up. Hoist by my own petard!
How you can even endure 2 minutes of him, is impressive.
Mute button innit.
He did one at Rivi and to his credit didn't say where they were filmed.
But then started the first trail with a clear shot of the Pigeon Tower.
I know I’m guilty of moaning about all the Tommy C hype-a-like videos that are springing up, while sometimes sleuthing out where they filmed are as well.
Me too. I just don't splash it all over the Internet like some kind of Schrodinger's Trail experiment.
And how exactly would a person who’s never been to the area know this ? There’s a video of some cool trails on Youtube, how exactly would I know whether they’re allowed or not ?
TBH, don't ride it*. I had this on my doorstep after a Tommy C Hype video went out about the riding that was very very local to me (literally across the road from the end of the track to my house) . About a week-fortnight after it was posted, I went past it to find the place had been ridden to death, the entrances to it were all opened up, and there were really obvious tyre tracks and shit and litter all over the place. I know it wasn't locals, because it had been kept tidy and quiet up to that point, and speaking to another fella, he'd seen a gang of about 10 lads just shredding the trail up and down...So yeah, don't.
*If you're in an area and you stumble across something that looks tasty, by all means go and explore. But STFU about it. Or make very low key enquiries.
STFU about it
Amen.
But unlikely in this case.
Third in the UK for traffic behind Cycling news and road cc, and 16th largest worldwide, so yeah, stuff posted on here has reach…
And I thought it just popped up in Google searches when looking for Skoda buying guides.
And I thought it just popped up in Google searches when looking for Skoda buying guides.
We also went through the £3k Rolex stage a couple of years back.
The only reason I know about STW is because I was looking for guidance on fence/boundary disputes.
That whole hillside all the way down to the pig is now a real conflict zone Nick. I don't ride anything there apart from the main track now... used to be lovely little network of extra options with subtle entrances and exits... now fences and other obstacles keep popping up to try and stop riding.
Well, thank **** we’ve spent three pages splashing secret trails all over the Internet then…
thing is they're not really that secret are they, there's dozens if not hundreds of videos on you tube of people riding these trails and they've been widely known about locally for at least 18 months or so. those trails are about 20 mins from my side of the peak and pretty much all the riders i know, either locally or over in sheff have ridden or know about those trails, the land owner knows they are there and any member of the public up on Win Hill has got a fair idea too as the large groups of bikers heading up towards the top on a busy Saturday afternoon is a dead give away, as is the clear exits on to the path along the reservoir
that secret horse bolted a long time ago
Well having read this thread with the intention of helping out the OP, I’ll be sure not to think about helping again.
That track has been there for over 10 years and got re dug out recently. The landowner dug it all over and put trespass signs up which have now been taken down. I agree that posting it on youtube and other social media is daft but how can you stop it happening?
How you can even endure 2 minutes of him, is impressive.
Aw come on, Tommy C's a brilliant comic creation, a sort of mountain biking cross between Ali G and an Action Man Commander figure that endlessly repeats 'This is sick!' and 'Yeah man!' when you pull the little cord that comes out of his chest.
It worries me that impressionable young children might think he's a real person though.
So let me get this right,
We’re not allowed to be on these trails so keep it quiet or we’ll get banned from these trails ? If we’re not allowed on them now what difference does it make it we get banned from them ? Do we get more banned than just banned ?
I’m also curious how these bans are enforced, I used to legally ride loads of the peaks on my quiet legal green lane bike and those lanes got closed. Had to listen to that as my bike was at risk of being confiscated as it had a registration plate and they could find me. So how does it work with a mtb and trails being closed ?
If we’re not allowed on them now what difference does it make it we get banned from them ? Do we get more banned than just banned ?
well put. I totally agree
I’m also curious how these bans are enforced
The bans are enforced by someone with a dozer ruining the trails. To do that on the side of Win Hill would be a pretty challenging (and presumably expensive) endeavour. So I suspect if the status quo remains it might be OK, but an explosion in popularity and bad behaviour (E.g. pushing over fences) might force some action from the landowner.
So I suspect if the status quo remains it might be OK, but an explosion in popularity and bad behaviour (E.g. pushing over fences) might force some action from the landowner.
So it's OK for some to illegally ride them then, is it a bit of an American Werewolf in London type thing going on when you turn up at the trails ?
Had never heard of Tommy C before this thread, then Facebook recommends me this:
“Your favourite gang of Turbo-riding British shredders are back! Joel Anderson, Matt Roe and Preston Williams link up with Tommy C for more madness as the boys shred their Levo's and Kenevo's to the max”
An actual official video from specialised, while I’m not sure of the location the second half of the video looked similar to the area under discussion here.
Christ if there was another reason to hate e-bikes it’s the official marketing team of one of the worlds biggest sellers being unable to correctly use an apostrophe.
Had never heard of Tommy C before this thread, then Facebook recommends me this:
“Your favourite gang of Turbo-riding British shredders are back! Joel Anderson, Matt Roe and Preston Williams link up with Tommy C
OK, this is confusing I know, but there are two Tommy Cs. The one you have found is the guy who did those British Pie videos and has made a career out of filming lads riding ruts with a fisheye lens.
The other Tommy C (Hype) is a YouTuber who specialises in riding MINT, SICK trails.
HTH
So it’s OK for some to illegally ride them then
Basically yes. But as I said before, let's not use "illegal".
So it’s OK [s]for some[/s] to [s]illegally[/s] ride them then
As above, not illegal. If you ask me it's OK. Just don't go knocking over fences / gates, building jumps out of drystone walls and don't pop out onto fireroads at speed. Others will disagree, but we have covered that already.
And Lady Cannings is not a destination. It's somewhere for beginners to ride a couple of laps (my 5 yo loves it) or do as a warm-up. If you come from down south and only ride that, you're in for a big disappointment!
If we’re not allowed on them now what difference does it make it we get banned from them ? Do we get more banned than just banned ?
Yeah, but total legit access is just around the corner - so we can ride these trails. But only if we stop riding them now.
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OK, this is confusing I know, but there are two Tommy Cs. The one you have found is the guy who did those British Pie videos and has made a career out of filming lads riding ruts with a fisheye lens.
Hah, if only they had more than one letter in their last name to distinguish between them.
Due to the warning upthread, I watched it sound off, so I guess its all a bit lost on me.
Christ if there was another reason to hate e-bikes it’s the official marketing team of one of the worlds biggest sellers being unable to correctly use an apostrophe.
This.
to correctly use
Yes, but that's a split infinitive...
And Lady Cannings is not a destination. It’s somewhere for beginners to ride a couple of laps (my 5 yo loves it) or do as a warm-up. If you come from down south and only ride that, you’re in for a big disappointment!
I’ve sent the OP some options on DM which park up at Lady Cannings but rides straight past them for this very reason. I’m very local to them and only ride them on occasion, much more to go at locally.
There is only one legitimate trail in Wharny, the rest are cheeky and likely at some point to be bulldozed (as happened a couple of years ago) unfortunately.
I’d assume it’s fast track, well that’s what I know it as
Christ.
What a ****ing dogs dinner of a thread this is. I've neither the energy nor the inclination to go into all the whys and wherefores of stuff up there, but will say a couple of things
Peak District MTB has got a bloody good relationship with Severn Trent. Lots of assumptions made in this thread are simply incorrect.
This article sums up a lot of where we are.
http://peakdistrictmtb.org/unsanctioned-mtb-trails-how-to-lose-friends-and-alienate-land-managers/
and how do I know that? Cos it's me and others from Peak District MTB that's established the relationship and worked with ST to shift the image of mtb such that they've built in into their long term strategy. It's me that had some, frankly, really shit initial meetings with them where I felt like I was talking to a wall. It's me that has seen them turn a complete 180 and really start engaging with us and opening up access. Their new manager is a legend. A really good guy and knows where we're coming from. And we're not naive at pdmtb. We know we arguably represent a full spectrum of riders. And we do. We can't legitimately claim to be the voice of mtb if we don't talk about all groups.
We're really early on in the relationship and small projects, bit even this week have been talking about next phases and steps of what could be done- some of which will surprise you.
Lots of people in here are making lots of assumptions with apparently zero real, up to date info on where things actually are - despite us talking about it at length on our pages.
A lot of good can come. I've got to think this, otherwise why the **** would I bother fighting the mtb corner? Why the **** should I? Reading some of the comments on here I'm wondering.