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That's exactly the plan and the landowner is very interested, in fact they proposed more than expected but... They want "us" to make the first move.
They want “us” to make the first move.
Which is to stop riding the stuff that is currently there I guess?
@teenrat not sure where you've got this info from...
"The Win Hill trails have been compared to Wharncliffe, however, there is one huge difference, in that you are allowed to ride in Wharncliffe."
"head to wharny, you’ll find every type of trail in there – all above board."
The only permitted riding in Wharncliffe is on official rights of way and fireroads, none of the mtb trails are permitted or above board. Even the old red xc loop no longer officially exists and has been designed and delisted by FC.
That’s exactly the plan and the landowner is very interested, in fact they proposed more than expected but… They want “us” to make the first move.
The problem is that organisations like RideSheffield and Eastern Moors Partnership etc don’t actually represent all MTBers who are a diverse group with occasionally aligned interests. Whilst I would broadly support cycle lines and extra gentle trails around reservoirs, I probably won’t use them a whole lot. Similarly, RideSheffield has done some decent work in getting permission for us to ride some former footpaths. Which is all great, but they’re not trails I’d choose to ride a lot and actually I’d probably ride them cheekily anyway.
The point is, @thepodge, does your organisation really represent the 50/01 or TommyC Hype Kru wannabes riding at Win Hill? Probably not. So you telling people not to ride great trails that are - as we have agreed - fairly harmless, is a bit toothless unless there’s a clear ‘carrot’ for you to wave at them.
Similar to the Kinder mass trespass - those guys didn’t win their extra rights by passively obliging a landowner.
The land owner can work with us or against us.
But at the end of the day as long as you're ok, everyone else can go **** themselves.
This isn't a comment on Ladybower itself, I couldn't help but notice in a woodland not too far from me, that now it has lots of interesting trails that nobody descends on the footpaths anymore which is a bonus.
It’s people riding bikes in woods ffs, some people need to have a day off.
p.s the trails in said woods are class, hats off to the trail builders.
< But at the end of the day as long as you’re ok, everyone else can go **** themselves. >
For me, kind of, yeah.
Just because you/ride Sheffield/whatever organisation wants something doesn’t mean the rest of us do. These ‘really promising discussions’ with the land owners have been going on for probably decades and nothing ever comes of it, thankfully.
To the first poster, I’d say crack on and have a go if you want, but if it’s wet that area gets extra slick so bare that in mind. Oh and any of the climbs back up to the top are awful!
Its about responsibility and respect.
But your right. **** anyone who stops me having fun.
@markspark ride sheffield aren’t of the view that these are bad trails and people shouldn’t ride them. There should be some sensible building, folks should avoid them when wet/easily damaged etc but they’re a great place to ride.
I would also imagine the likes of Ride Sheffield, Peak MTB who put hours/days/months/years of effort trying to get legitimate access for everyone will be pretty pissed off at their efforts being undermined.
Which is somewhat undermined when many members of these groups ride this stuff themselves. They just don't shout about it.
Anyway - saw thread title, knew thepodge would be in like a rat up a drainpipe (again). Dropped in to check my assumption and, yep, post number 2.
I was also pretty much certain the "just stop riding it and the landowner will let us ride it" argument would be prominent - again, two out of two. I must by psychic.
You whistle it and I'll sing it.
"Local trails for local people dee-dum-dee-dee, Local trails for local people dee-dum-dee-dee".
I don't know the tune, what song is it ?
If this thread proves anything it's that people don't observe rule #1 and don't particularly care about others, so long as they are having fun f#@k everyone else.
If this thread proves anything it’s that people don’t observe rule #1 and don’t particularly care about others, so long as they are having fun f#@k everyone else.
That's how some people come across.
I don’t know the tune, what song is it ?
Ask thepodge.
He wrote the tune and the lyrics, at this rate he is probably also working on some sort of dance interpretation too...
FWIW I would advocate NOT asking this sort of stuff on an open forum. A few minutes research would show which forum members might be locals - or even a thread asking for locals to make themselves known - so it can be done via PM.
But if anything is guaranteed to get my back up it is people playing the holier than thou act whilst they or there mates do the exact stuff they are telling everyone else not to. That is also in violation of rule #1.
Let's not get too polarised here. I can definitely see two sides to this. I fully respect people who are actually engaging with landowners to try to increase access. They are putting in the effort where I ( and almost everyone else) are not.
However the MTB access laws in this country are an utter joke. We should have much more access than we do. It's quite scary how many of us actually believe that it's ok for us to have sod all rights. No wonder the powers that be also think this.
Whaddabout the Kinder Trespass? Do all the threaddies here advocating cap doffing think that the KTers were out of order? Were they getting beyond themselves asking demanding access to someone else's land? How dare they. How would they have liked it if LordShaggedHisSister came traipsing across their ginnel just because he felt like it?
[ Whilst firmly bearing in mind rule 1] we need to be mindful of the fact that we are citizens of this country too. Our taxes pay the numerous grants and subsidies that many landowners depend on. The water companies have just as much legal obligation to provide exercise and recreation opportunities to cyclists as they do ramblers.
Fair enough, when cyclists break rule 1, it looks bad. But ramblers etc also break rule 1 occasionally and they still have almost unlimited access to the whole uplands of England.
People above are fretting about the highly visible scar that cyclists have worn and saying it is an obvious eyesore... Once you get past the SorryWeShouldntBeHere deference stance that cyclists are always expected to abide by, the obvious conclusion is WGAS. It's a path, there are thousands of miles of roads and paths across the Peak District. Most of them nobody GAS about. But because this is evil cyclists then it's deemed to be sacreligous.
Anyway. I'm waffling. But despite what I said above, I'd like to reiterate my thanks to the people who are trying to get access improved. At least you are trying.
the fallen trees that don’t belong to them?
Serious or in jest, that has to be a contender for post of the year.
FWIW I would advocate NOT asking this sort of stuff on an open forum
Yeah, that's pretty much where I am, I've no worries with folk riding cheeky, but 1. don't tell any-one, and 2. don't wind folk up about it.
it is people playing the holier than thou act whilst they or there mates do the exact stuff they are telling everyone else not to
Also this. There's a vanishingly small number of us that can, hand on heart, say they don't ever ride where they shouldn't, so you can't get wound up about someone else finding your sneaky DH run (but see above)
Yeah, that’s pretty much where I am, I’ve no worries with folk riding cheeky, but 1. don’t tell any-one, and 2. don’t wind folk up about it.
And how exactly would a person who's never been to the area know this ? There's a video of some cool trails on Youtube, how exactly would I know whether they're allowed or not ?
Sure you'll say "do some research" but isn't that exactly what i'm doing by asking on here ? How exactly would someone else be expected to gain the information on them ?
1+ With the don’t ask on an open forum crowd.
It’s just asking to get stuff shut down. A rider already sadly died at the top of WH earlier in the month (some type of medical episode), the last thing needed is an influx of riders now.
1+ With the don’t ask on an open forum crowd.
How would you get the information then ?
I’d maybe ask myself if my knowing about it is more important than the risk of it being fenced or dozed.
My first thought wouldn’t be to put a clip on a pretty obvious forum. First I’d speak to people I actually know from riding.
I’d maybe ask myself if my knowing about it is more important than the risk of it being fenced or dozed.
My first thought wouldn’t be to put a clip in on pretty obvious forum. First I’d speak to people I actually know from riding.
1. LOL WTF
2. How would i know who ? I don't know anyone in the Peaks, at all.... i've been there once in my life. A forum is for discussing things...
I'm confused
Which is somewhat undermined when many members of these groups ride this stuff themselves.
Are you unfairly conflating the two local advocacy groups here?
I believe someone from RS has clarified their position above. I really can't imagine any of the PDMTB committee would be riding these trails, but maybe you know better?
@Weeksy, I think you’ve just made your point perfectly well.
As long as you’re ok, thats all that matters.
Peace out man.
@Weeksy, I think you’ve just made your point perfectly well.
As long as you’re ok, thats all that matters.
where and how ? OK, so answer me this... you wanted to come down to West Berks and ride as you're staying locally for work.
Who would you ask and where would you ask them ?
How would you get the information then ?
1) Start a thread asking for advice in general about riding in the area then PM a couple of respondees with your true question?
2) Have a Google of similar thread titles in STW and identify a couple of likely helpers from that. Then PM them?
3) Have a closer look at the 'sick vids' you are watching, work out roughly where they might be. Look at an OS map and put two and two together?
4) Have a look at associated local FB riders groups. Identify a couple of cheeky-friendly bods and PM them via Facebook?
5) Look on Strava because someone will have put it on there - probably stupidly IMO.
There's five pretty simple options for you. Good enough?
have you read the comments on the clip?
No... i don't really read things like that.
Maybe do so. There might be just a few clues there…
Maybe do so. There might be just a few clues there…
Sure, i'll be the one in the wrong here, despite the fact i've never been within 10 miles of the place, let alone ever ridden the bloody trails... LOL.
Hell, just being helpful. It’ll mean you get the answer quicker (it is in the YT comments…) and hopefully mean the trails are there for everyone, for longer.
and hopefully mean the trails are there for everyone, for longer
Well they're not there for everyone, as you all keep pointing out 😀
Everyone that can read, I suppose. 😉
Gotta stick up for weeksy here.... I think he makes a fair point. He was just asking a question.
The fact that someone has dug some non legal trails is not his fault.
The fact that LordHereditaryToffForMillenia doesn't pay any taxes and provides no access is not Weeksy's fault.
The fact that everyone hates cyclists is not weeksy's fault.
The fact that locals have been riding these trails and jeopardising Podge' s attempts to gain access is not Weeksy's fault.
He's opened a can of worms here, but he didn't put the worms in there ( or something)
I’m confused
I doubt that.
Everyone knows there are ways to work out where stuff is. Some require about 5 minutes of active research to ask the right people, some require just reading a few bits on t'interwebz. In this day and age it ain't difficult.
But you and thepodge are cut from the same cloth to an extent in that neither of you can resist getting your point across at every possible opportunity by going on and on and on....
Until you throw your toys and flounce.
The world as it is:
1) Stupidly there are large areas of the countryside that are banned to mtb riders and pretty much all the other interested parties are either neutral about this or actively (some very) opposed. It really shouldn't be like it is.
2) Unofficial trails will always appear, by either being ridden in and/or built.
3) These trails, because of their characteristics, will be fun.
4) They will be elicit.
5) They will get more popular.
6) This increased use will either lead to an accident or confrontation which will lead to....
7) The landowner solving the 'problem' by blocking/destroying the trails.
We should not be speeding up 5-7 by discussing on an open forum.
And if anyone thinks the trails being talked about here can't be blocked or destroyed a simple wire fence across a contour line mid-way up the hillside would make these trails way less fun.
These trails, because of their characteristics, will be fun.
4) They will be elicit.
This made me laugh. The only person here who is trying to elicit is Weeksy, and you're not letting him. 😝
Weeksy, no need to apologise for asking. I would assume that most people on here and most riders in general sometimes ride cheeky stuff.
I'm not that fussed either way, but one thing I'd point out is that there is a difference between riding footpaths, which tends to be what 'cheeky' has meant historically, and building and riding your own trails from scratch. I guess it gets more blurry when you're riding trails that someone else has built, maybe. I'm just pointing that out because the two seem to have become a little conflated and if you're going to start dragging the Kinder Trespass into the debate, it's arguably more relevant on the footpath side of things.
Anyway, I'm sure there are Peak locals on here who'd offer to show you round Weeksy. I'd offer myself, but I'm still getting over ****ing long covid.
But you and thepodge are cut from the same cloth to an extent in that neither of you can resist getting your point across at every possible opportunity by going on and on and on….
LOL i thought this was the first contentious thread i've ever posted.
Anyway, I’m sure there are Peak locals on here who’d offer to show you round Weeksy.
May be slightly tricky due to being with a 13 year old who's quite specific on his riding, going up isn't on his want list... but clearly to go down you have to go up 😀
in some ways riding with his is amazing, in some ways it's frustrating, i don't like frustrating others and it sometimes takes a certain mindset. There's also the fact that we're in the Peaks for 6 days but which days we're riding and not haven't been set in stone yet... i may well put up a thread closer to the time.
On the one time i went to peaks a lot of the stuff we rode, my lad wouldn't fancy. So we may end up at Lady Cannings for a day out sessioning the blues there and maybe head up the path to the left and doing a random trail up the top there or 2.
So we may end up at Lady Cannings
Well, thank **** we've spent three pages splashing secret trails all over the Internet then....
get a grip you clown. I've had enough of this rubbish. Stop being a complete and utter plum.
I'll say it again, how the hell would i know this fact without actually bloody asking. I'm not a mind-reader.
If they're so bloody secret, get them pulled from Youtube.
@Weeksy
I don't fancy dragging a climbing-averse 13 year old around (probably for me to get spanked on the descents), but happy to put a few gpx routes together for you. Will be mostly legal!
@weeksy it says where they are on the YT comments, this whole thread was unnecessary