[Closed] Jey boy brakes - Formula R1 or Hope Evo Race X2

XTR Race.

Xtr race

where have you seen the 2012 r1s at 300 with rotors please?

i like formula brakes, ive had rx and the ones (2011 versions) and both have had tonnes more power than hope x2;s and shimano (older style) m775's...

have heard great things about the new xt/xtrs though too

XTR race - M985.

From Rose or from Merlin with 10% extra off at the moment and discs inc.

XTR Race.

I considered these but they are a little bit more money and I have bleed kits and so on for hope/formula so that swung it.

The Formulas are on Merlin, I'm hoping they'll do 10% off this weekend which would swing it in their favour.

You get bleed kits with the xtr's.

Yep, all you need is the little bucket and piece of hose, which comes with the mineral oil bottle.

I'd sooner have XTs than either of the options in the OP though!

merlin are doing 10% off everything now - don't wait till the weekend if that's what you're choosing - it might be off by then!

On Rose, the XTR's are £285 posted in round numbers.

I went for the Hopes a few weeks ago.

Can't report back on them yet as the Van Nic build is stalled at the mo 🙁

I've owned and used bikes with RX's and R1's, and all sorts of Hope brakes, including mix & match tech caliper/lever combos. Personally, my recommendation would depend on your weight. I weigh 90kg in riding kit and the Formula's are definately stronger stoppers for my weight, although the fine modulation, servicing and overal reliability, the Hopes are, IMO, a better long term bet - particularly if you're around the 70kg-ish mark. I've had the alloy lever bolts on the Formulas snap twice - which isn't so good 😯 , and the minimal pad clearance on the rotors can be a bit irritating.

FWIW, my wife is around 70-75kg in full riding kit and she managed an impressive emergency stop endo with the Hopes when she had to avoid some t**t in a sports car racing on the local lanes.

Can't speak for the Formulas, but I had the standard pre-Evo X2's and rated them. Properly set up they have enough power to be bordering on all mountain brakes, so with the Evo upgrade should be more than enough unless you a a very large chap. Dead easy to set up and maintain, reliable, look good, great after sales if needed

Thanks everyone, I probably come closer to the 90kgs than 70kg kitted out and running pretty teeny 160mm rotors front and rear. Really appreciate the opinions particularly on the hopes which seem strangely rare at the moment.

I have Hope Race eve x2 and have used xtr race. The xtr modulation is a bit poo and the set I used needed frequent bleeding. I know thats not the norm from posts here but it was my experience. They also were rather 'notchy' good power.

The Race x2 Evo have comparable power and are a step up from the older x2s. Really good brakes. Powerful enough for me to be considering using them on my AM bike with 203's in place of my tech v2s!

Contact richard@gravity-sports.co.uk for a price on the Hopes, tell him Phil recommended him. I think you'll be surprised at the price. Great service too.

I used to have formula's/ Nice brakes, PITA to beed and parts a nightmare.

R1 Racings for all out light weight money no object... will obviously make you race faster

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What if your a bigger rider with the choice of Formula RX or Hope Tech X2 (not EVO).

I am 208kg/17st before kit.

Are the X2 no good.

My riding is just xc/trails etc - nothing extreme or knar! 😀

Of the two you've narrowed your choice down to, I'd take the Hope X2s. Any difference in weight or outright power is likely to be marginal and Hope's aftersales service, should it be needed, is legendary.

Now for the shameless pedantry bit...

[b][u]chillidave[/u][/b] - [u]Member[/u]

Not used Hope brakes in ages but a big fan of their customer service [b]and a bit more unique[/b].

Something is either unique or it isn't, it can't be 'quite', 'fairly' or 'a bit' or even 'really' unique.

Recently went from 2012 XT's to Hope race evo X2's, and am made up with them. Running 180 Air rotors, they are more than powerful enough with great linear modulation. You can feel whats happening right up to the point of wheel lock-up, and control it. The XT's I found too grabby initially, the when pushing things a bit harder, they didn't seem to have any more power, they felt spongy, which wasn't for the need of bleeding, it was those tiny levers flexing when pulled hard. Another point worth noting if your a weight weenie, the XT's were heavier than my old mono M4's. The race evo X2's are VERY light. 8)

I switched from Avid Elixir R to Hope Race Evo M4 - amazing brakes, loads of power and so much feel you can actually use that power. Like buying ABS for your bike! 183/160 rotors, 12.5 stone and more interested in going downhill than uphill.

What if your a bigger rider with the choice of Formula RX or Hope Tech X2 (not EVO).

I am 208kg/17st before kit.

Are the X2 no good.

My riding is just xc/trails etc - nothing extreme or knar!

I'd recommend R1's. Fastastic powerful stoppers.

So despite the fact that the Hope Race Evo X2's are as powerful as the XTs/XTRs.....as light as the XTR's for a lot less money....better modulating.....you guys are telling him to buy XTR's?

Idiots.

On the topic of Formulas, my Oros and my old mans 2009 The Ones were less reliable than the 7-8 hope brakes we've owned. However I have heard the newer ones are better in that regard, however I'd only buy them if the parts/servicing support has improved.

The new X2 Race Evo's scored higher in dyno tests than the R1 in the recent Mbuk tests as well.

however I'd only buy them if the parts/servicing support has improved.

It has. Silverfish took over the distribution of Formula around a year ago. We now hold a larger inventory of spares and small parts than the UK has ever seen and there are more Authorised Formula Dealers out there than ever before too.

Cheers.

+1 on Silverfish for parts.

Love my R1's, I wouldn't use 160 rotors though.