[Closed] Is it me. Discipline on club runs?

I'm working my way through the videos of the guy Boardin Bob posted.
I really shouldn't laugh but when he starts his trademark roar I just can't help it....

There are a few genuine bad driving examples but on the whole he looks to be out for trouble. He also appears to live near me and in one of his videos he has an unreasonable go at someone who happens to be my next door neighbour...and is also a police...can't wait to show him the video

He does seem to charge at potential problems that I'd be slowing down for.

He does see, to plough on even when I am sure he see's the danger early himself, I would rather back off than risk proving a point by holding my (rightful) position.

I watched a few but there was one with a truck with a very long low bed trailer that was pretty horrendous. It was very close and very dangerous.
Makes you realise how much you are at the mercy to some drivers, especially after all the deaths in London recently.

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That one.

Regards the OP- They were a bit straggly (if thats a word) for the roadie disciplinarians but I don't think they were breaking the highway code and cycling on a road is not the preserve of some inner circle of old road gurus.

Apart from that having Billy Connolly in your group must get you extra kudos.

That's a classic, federalski, as is this one:

...in fact given the comments above I was surprised to find that most of his videos do show notably bad driving, with relatively few instances where he did anything wrong.

This is a 40mph section of road. He gives little more than a cursory glance to the side and judging by how quickly the horn sounds the driver was close...yet it's the drivers fault

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JsykZfXk3Sc

BoardinBob - Member
This is a 40mph section of road. He gives little more than a cursory glance to the side and judging by how quickly the horn sounds the driver was close...yet it's the drivers fault

Well I dunno. Maybe I should be all full of cycle-loathing, but I don't really get it.

What I see on that first vid is a bunch of people bimbling along gently, without causing any trouble, and a dick of a car driver failing to overtake at a completely inappropriate place. What's with all the anti-cyclist hate? Were they supposed to be in the gutter? It was hardly a busy road, why shouldn't a club go out for a gentle ride at a quiet time of day?

Sure, they *could* have tucked in closer to the kerb. They *could* have ridden in a serious paceline. They *could* have just stayed in bed. I'm sure that some here would have found fault with them in any case.

The car driver *could* have not tried an aggressive overtake where anyone with a clue would have seen there was no room.

Who was really at *fault* there?

Who was really at *fault* there?

I'd say the car, but that wasn't the point of my post. More about how the total lack of cohesion can cause a problem. single file, then a gap. Two abreast then three abreast. Unsteady and clearly having a good old chat. Moving out to the white line. And was that a hand signal, what's that cyclist signaling to me?

And the driver is expected by the highway code to expect cyclists to swerve, especially if they've done a shoulder check.

You Should be able to look without swerving although it doesn't matter as no car would ever pass that close,oh wait.

It is used as an example in the hazard perception. There is a cyclist coming upto an obstical and he looks back to his right. This is an indication that he might move right! I always wonder what drivers expect me to do at parked cars. Stop and wait for clear road or just bunny hop them.they nearly always seem surprised when I move out and go round them.

"TiRed » You've got to look well-drilled if you want to command respect.

The sad thing is, you're probably being serious. "
good thing is he is probably correct. if a group can't keep together the should be off by themselves. For the good of all.
I blame the lack of tradition and mudguards.
New clubs are, around me, the worst offenders. No old road captains in tweed to bollock those who can't keep a wheel. A large but recent Monmouthshire club is bloody awful. 4 wide, broken groups. To long to overtake in one but too wide as well. They do have matching jumpers though so that makes it alright.

Doesn't look like a club run to me, it looks like a sportiff.

It's difficult to organise a club properly; you need (as written above) a smattering of old-timers to keep an eye on the newbies and you need a leader who determines the pace and the stopping places and the route, as well as the contingencies for any who ae short of time and want to split off. I've been out with a local club a couple of times and seen only shambles so have decided club riding is not for me; I'd rather just ride with a couple of buddies or my son.

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BoardinBob - Member
This is a 40mph section of road. He gives little more than a cursory glance to the side and judging by how quickly the horn sounds the driver was close...yet it's the drivers fault

I haven't watched it with the sound on,

About 1.5 seconds between his tiny glance to the right and the car horn sounding. I wouldn't pull out to overtake another cyclist if I thought a car would be on top of me in 1.5 seconds.

The first/OP's clip. I was driving my 4x4 (yes really) up through Surrey Hills and I had a load of road cyclists blocking the road (almost looking to pick a fight). I sat patiently behind them for a LONG time. Ridiculously long, they knew I was there but still took up enough of the road that I couldn't even use the otherside to overtake. At no point did I rev/gun the engine, drive to close or attempt an overtake. Finally I gave a short beep - that was it, lots of ****er symbols etc etc so I leaned out of the window and said 'why' - que 'come on mate lets have you etc'. I said wtf and drove on. They passed me about 2miles up the road as I was getting my bike out of the car and I walked across and said 'hello, why'? (nothing, all looking straight ahead). Idiots.

He certainly seems more sinned against than sinning. But I applaud his obviously conscious decision to upload even the videos that make him look bad.

This one is worth it for the multiple 'aaaaaargh!' really.

He certainly seems more sinned against than sinning. But I applaud his obviously conscious decision to upload even the videos that make him look bad.

This one is worth it for the multiple 'aaaaaargh!' really.

I used to work with a bloke who drove round with his headlights/fogs on permanently. I asked him why? He said hes had soo many near-misses he thinks other drivers can't see him..

This cyclist fella needs to get off the road IMO, maybe its partly his roadcraft, the area or just HIS bad luck. Whatever it is- fate is saying 'mate cant you get the hint'.

I was driving my 4x4 (yes really) up through Surrey Hills and I had a load of road cyclists blocking the road (almost looking to pick a fight). I sat patiently behind them for a LONG time. Ridiculously long, they knew I was there but still took up enough of the road that I couldn't even use the otherside to overtake. At no point did I rev/gun the engine, drive to close or attempt an overtake. Finally I gave a short beep - that was it, lots of **** symbols etc etc so I leaned out of the window and said 'why' - que 'come on mate lets have you etc'. I said wtf and drove on. They passed me about 2miles up the road as I was getting my bike out of the car and I walked across and said 'hello, why'? (nothing, all looking straight ahead). Idiots.

So you leant out the window, whilst alongside a group of cyclists? I'd not be wild keen on that, you'll naturally swerve towards them whilst doing that. Why did you use your horn? What reponse did you expect?

No. I tooted the horn once as it was ridiculous. I pulled over further up and leaned out of myside. I was very conscious of how bad it'd look 'road rage' etc and the last thing I'd ever want is a confrontation between me the driver and a cyclist back then. So when they all started with the 'come on then' I decided to drive on. In the last mile or two I thought 'no I'll have this out with them and ask them why etc' (once the car is parked up/Im on foot. Out of the car/parked up I had no qualms about asking them to clarify why they acted the way they did/why they did it. Maybe in the time inbetween sensible members within the group woke up and said 'hey maybe that guy had a point' hence them all avoiding any contact with me after I'd parked up.

A 'sorry mate we were abit out of order' would have been nice but these were (probably) Londoners with expensive kit flexing their awesome weekend warrior skills who didn't know when to own up/be a man and say sorry?

A quick toot to let someone know you're there, or you're coming through is fine. It's easy to get that misinterpreted though.

EG this is the most bonkers video I've seen for a while - seems to show correct use of the horn by the trucker to alert the cyclist to his presence, possibly misinterpreted by cyclist, who then gets into one of the barmiest confrontations I've ever seen...

2 cars sounded their horns at us yesterday, I'm pretty sure the first was just trying to alert us to his presence (very thin twisty road) but when you're not expecting it it sounded just as aggressive as the complete bell end that thought it appropriate to sound his just as he was alongside us, bloody close too! Dickhead! Yesterday seemed to bring out a few idiots, another passed us far too closely while the passenger was waving furiously, I've no doubt it was the most exercise the lass had done all year mind so we did her a favour.

It's funny between our group we've all noted the most aggressive/horrible behaviour has shifted from Audi/BMW drivers to double cab pickups and women!

Bunch of idiots inviting trouble, and they know it. I say thank god for road cycling - keeps most of these arrogant, hung-up fools off the trails.

This thread is why road cycling comes third after; off road, then running, as things I like doing....

A fickle old lot aren't we?

I've seen much worse riding defended to the hilt on here in the past

I say thank god for road cycling - keeps most of these arrogant, hung-up fools off the trails.

It's good fun bunnyhopping over their prostrate and groaning bodies when they venture onto the trails in the arrogant assumption that they'll be good at it though 😀

Jeez, that OP post was the most boring video I've ever seen, yet all the self righteous roadie numpties have jumped all over it. Lordie.

So you leant out the window, whilst alongside a group of cyclists? I'd not be wild keen on that, you'll naturally swerve towards them whilst doing that. Why did you use your horn? What reponse did you expect?

while riding 2 up in a small group through a quiet richmond park (having just slowed down a bit as there was a horse and cart coming the other way) a car drew up alongside and this mad women driver started waving a wallet at us shouting "i'm a police officer" "single file" obviously she started to encroach on our space as she had one hand on the wheel and had to lean right over over the passenger seat to look directly at us.
one of the group may have shot up the tiny gap between me and the car shouting "AAAAAHHHHRGH you will cause an accident!" he way or may not have scraped the side of the car and hit the wing mirror with his arm while doing so while in complete control of his bike.
if the bint had stopped i would have definitely made a complaint to the po-po
i may have swore at her but feel it was justified as she was a danger to others and ignorant of the law.

No. I tooted the horn once as it was ridiculous

Same thing, your verb is a little more colloquial. So again, "why did you 'toot' your horn? What did you expect to happen?". You weren't doing it to notify them to your presence (which I don't like, but can understand), you did it to antagonise and show your displeasure. So, what did you expect to happen? Them to blow you kisses?

It would be really good if cars had a "polite horn" that went "[b][i]biiing-bong[/b][/i]" like a lift arriving.

The driver could use it when he really didn't mean to be a dick but felt that a sound was called for. 🙂

Same thing, your verb is a little more colloquial.

And bear in mind that what you think of as a friendly little toot on the horn from inside the car can still be sodding loud and quite intimidating if it happens 6 feet behind you & unexpectedly.

Which is why I don't like it, I'm a jumpy bugger!

I say thank god for road cycling - keeps most of these arrogant, hung-up fools off the trails.

The OP video guy has footage from him at Glentress. That's probably the funniest of all the ones he's uploaded...

Riding in Greece, the drivers would often give a toot-toot to say "I'm coming past, I've seen you" - we were actually warned before riding that that's what they meant and we weren't to go off on one giving them the finger!

Problem is in the UK, most cyclists are so used to any horn use at all meaning "GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU LYCRA-CLAD, NON-ROAD-TAX-PAYING SCUM!!" that as soon as they hear a horn (even if meant in a general "hello, coming past" way), they just start screaming and swearing.

I actually wish drivers would pip their horns when they were about 100 yards behind me so as to warn me as so often wind noise in my ears prevents me from hearing them. Then they sound their horns right behind me, which startles me and sends out the wrong message.

I always call out a warning when I'm about 50 yards behind horse riders so as not to startle the horses.

I think most people know the difference between a polite toot from 10m back and the aggressive blast as they force their way past. I normally wave to say thank you to polite drivers. Surely I'm not alone?

I think most people know the difference between a polite toot from 10m back and the aggressive blast as they force their way past. I normally wave to say thank you to polite drivers. Surely I'm not alone?

A horn can be used correctly- i.e. warn of presence/alert incase you are veering towards someone etc etc. (Some) Cyclists (and some drivers) seem to think its the red button to fight. I once had another driver say 'use that again and I'll feed it to you'.

The riding in the OPs vid is awful, someone should send them on a lesson on group riding.

I've witnessed many appalling group riding skills while out and about on both 2 and 4 wheels.

Really doesn't encourage me to join any of them!

The OP video guy has footage from him at Glentress. That's probably the funniest of all the ones he's uploaded...

Aye he is making hard work of Pennels Vennel that for sure.

I think he is the wronged party more often than not in those videos though. His "AAAARRARRARGGHH" is quite funny though!

From what I've seen of group riding on the road it's generally pretty good.
However I've seen some groups out, all over the road, riding 3 abreast, not good.
The trouble is a lot of new riders don't join a club and serve an apprenticeship on club runs, how to ride closely and safely, through and off etc.
Their first experience of group riding is on a sportive and apart from a few most riders havnt got a clue how to ride in a group.
When I started club riding in the late 70's it was drilled into us how to ride in a group and how to look after each other and keep the group together.
On our club training rides we had riders of various abilities, national and divisional champions, ex peace race and sealink riders so we learnt from the best.... Those were the days!!

On the other hand, those were also the days of many road clubs that were populated by miserable gits whose only claim to anything was that they'd ridden a long time and seemed to think that meant you had to listen to them even if they really didn't have much to offer.

Swings and roundabouts...

[quote=BoardinBob said]This is a 40mph section of road. He gives little more than a cursory glance to the side and judging by how quickly the horn sounds the driver was close...yet it's the drivers fault
So have I understood you correctly that you think he should have not overtaken the other cyclist (which would have required him to brake) in order to allow the driver to overtake him? Is that because the driver has more right to the road?

So have I understood you correctly that you think he should have not overtaken the other cyclist (which would have required him to brake) in order to allow the driver to overtake him? Is that because the driver has more right to the road?

Do you overtake on motorways by simply pulling out and making faster moving cars brake to avoid you ?

Or do you brake yourself and wait till there is a gap to pull into.

You should only pull out to overtake when it is safe to do so.... fairly common sense?

from the OP's video, it just looks like arrogance "I'm a cyclist, so I have right of way"

So have I understood you correctly that you think he should have not overtaken the other cyclist (which would have required him to brake) in order to allow the driver to overtake him? Is that because the driver has more right to the road?

No, what I'm saying is he either

a) Didn't look round properly and therefore didn't see the car

or

b) He did see the car but decided he was pulling out anyway (a common theme in his videos and his attitude seems to be playing drivers at their own game)

Either way, it's his mistake yet he berates the driver for sounding their horn.

He seems very keen to ascert his rights as a cyclist, and quite rightly so, but his attitude does seem to be "I want to ride on this space and you must get out my way". Put it this way, if you were crossing the road as a pedestrian, you saw a car coming and it would be on top of you in less than a couple of seconds, you wouldn't just step out in front of it and expect it to stop, but that appears to be his approach to cycling.

haven't bothered* to watch the video so don't know, but how much room had the car given the first cyclist?

If the car driver was obeying the Highway code there is plenty of room for a cyclist to over take a cyclist.

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