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I realised that this place was not actually really a "community" in the eyes of Singletrack Towers.
But the rule that is in place came from the community. It was asked for and we responded. The classifieds is where the vast majority of moderation happens every day. Moderators do not step in when that rule is broken - they only respond if the OP reports it.
The principal is sound. If you have an interest in buying the item then engage with the seller to your hearts content. If you don't then don't.
Do you contact Wiggle to tell them that X is cheaper on Evans website? Yes, I imagine you do, if you are planning to buy it. But do you deliberately browse the Wiggle site to find prices of stuff that are cheaper elsewhere and then tell them when you have no intention of buying? Of course you don't. That would make you a bit odd.
The exact same principal applies here and the rule was implemented because quite incredibly, there ARE people here who like to trawl through the classifieds deliberately searching the internet for places that are selling X for less as if the people who are actually interested are so incapable of doing that for themselves.
The rule works. Moderation issues are down, sellers and buyers seem quite content. The only people who aren't are the self appointed classified vigilantes who don't get to play their very odd game of googling the prices of things for sale in a classifieds forum on a bike site.
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To the topic, I agree with Mark, except when there's a blatant attempt to mis-sell something in which case I'd say it's fair game.
There is a 'no traders rule' - a few have been banned for it over the years. If you think someone's trading then email the mods - they won't be checking unless pointed at a specific account.
Thanks and fair points Mark. To be fair, it probably isn't really "traders" just people whose only interaction with the site seems to be to sell us their stuff.
My perception is the issue came from a community of sellers who didn't post in the other sections and got upset that their unpaid-for ads were being challenged by people who [i]might [/i]actually be giving some dosh to you. And that rather than warning people who might have been so sad as to spoil things repeatedly, a one-size-fits-all-rule was imposed. If you had a PM function here, people could have communicated issues privately, but you don't.
But it's your gaff. I'm not complaining, just sharing a perception.
The only people who aren't are the self appointed classified vigilantes who don't get to play their very odd game of googling the prices of things for sale in a classifieds forum on a bike site.
Name and shame!
There are quite a few adverts not just on here, where the item is cheaper new.
It's up to the buyer (beware).
I try to sell my parts for reasonable prices but I never get them myself lol except when buying in a sale (new).
Also find that parts sell quickly compared to whole bikes - common sense I guess.
It's a rule which was frequently overlooked for one particular poster.There is a 'no traders rule' - a few have been banned for it over the years.
While we are talking about bad form and classifieds, can we ban the coming into the main forum to (not so) subtly generate interest to an ad in the classifieds.
'How much is this/would this be worth?'
'Why isn't this selling?'
'Classifieds are a bit slow at the moment...'
Pretty please?
But the rule that is in place came from the community. It was asked for and we responded
To be completely accurate the "community" who demanded it were the the sellers
Its does not read to me on this thread, or the other thread[ when it was implemented] , that you did allow us to debate to be fair, that this was the community view.
That said, mods are volunteers, and its an easy rule to enforce and I suspect that played as big a part as right and wrong. Its a practical solution that is easy to enforce.
I think the comparison with actual shops is a little unfair as its a market. I think we would all say to the car boot trader Bloody hell mate that is steep I can get that cheaper new especially if someone we knew was speaking to them.
sellers and buyers seem quite content. The only people who aren't are the self appointed classified vigilantes who don't get to play their very odd game of googling the prices of things for sale in a classifieds forum on a bike site.
I think they are trying to stop "friends" from being ripped off and that is a pretty uncharitable description of what went on before the community asked for this change.
Its your forum and the rule wont be changing
I do think its decent of you to allow dissent on here - probably more than I would if I were you tbh.
I think they are trying to stop "friends" from being ripped off and that is a pretty uncharitable description of them.
If your buying put the part in Google, get 3 quotes from Google shopping and off you go.
Surely the seller should do this as they want to sell rather than "rip folk off"
One of those the debate has been done the decision has been made
Its STW consensus wont break out
He's finally dropped the price!
I've had people make comments on my ads along the lines of too pricey or something like that, and then the stuff sells to someone else the next week...
I've also been amazed what some people are happy to pay for - used tyres, inner tubes, chainrings etc.
This is the beauty of capitalism - one buyer and one seller happy to come to an agreement and everyone's a winner!
So everyone's entitled to an opinion but personally I wouldn't spend time making comments on someone else's pricing/selling strategy - none of my business really. If I do want something and I think it's overpriced then I'll make an offer...
If you think those gloves are too expensive then go ahead and make me an offer and they'll no longer be there for you to get yourself in a lather over 🙂 Like Mark says I think it's a bit odd that people are so obsessed about it!
I once bought a new, labels attached, jacket off of Jamie at something like 5% off what he paid for it, as he [s]couldn't be bothered to take it back[/s] wondered if a stwer was after one, about a dozen folk chimed in with what a mug I was/monster he was 😆
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My particular fav at the moment is the stump jumper frame for £1500 poster has had it pointed out that he is more money than can be bought for new with a manufacturers warranty. But still insists on reposting saying he is not bothered....eh?
It has been known for folk to be told by their other half the bike has to go for mortgage/baby/calamity reasons. You put it up for sale at an unreasonable price, have evidence to show the boss that you are trying happy in the knowledge it's never going to leave your shed.
I have always disagreed with the no commenting saying it's a ripoff rule...
Until now!
This entire thread was started regarding that frame. As I posted above - he's finally dropped the price! A bit.