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Apart from not telling him to f off, in what way could they have not been "tossers"?None of that really matters of course, as he was left fuming by a bunch of tossers, one of whom told him to **** off when asked a perfectly reasonable question. Probably tells me all I need to know re the cyclists
The road was not wide enough. What should they do - invite the car in: "yea - come by, it's well worth the risk."?
The OP [b]was[/b] very cautious and considerate but I think it's you who needs help with some 'issues' there sancho.
I find having a girlfriend helps 😉
How about if they had given him an answer to his question?Apart from not telling him to f off, in what way could they have not been "tossers"?
Yes. That may have helped.
specialknees - Member''If there is a spot, they got to a garage and pulled in''.
They passed at least three other places they could have done the same.
Perhaps they felt too embarassed.
The OP was very cautious and considerate but I think it's you who needs help with some 'issues' there sancho.
He was considerate until he followed them into a petrol station for a rant.
I can see sanchos point, most of the people on here would change their tone if it was a bunch of fat overweight IT managers on Orange 5's blocking the road instead of roadies.
I pull in and without loosing my rag and politely question them....
Maybe the OP would care say exactly how he worded his polite questions which have miraculously been transformed into a rant in the space of 6 pages?
As a supposed cyclist, he should already know the obvious answer, but I do agree that it would be better to answer him nicely.How about if they had given him an answer to his question?
Two separate things:
1. how they were riding (nothing wrong)
2. how they behaved after (rude)
The second one doesn't mean they were wrong in the first one.
As a supposed cyclist, he should already know the obvious answer
Quite possibly but from the differing responses on here it is fairly obvious that there are different schools of thought, even amongst regular road cyclists.
I'm not reading all that but I do hope it's mostly discussion about the mispelling of 'roadies' in the thread title?
How about if they had given him an answer to his question?
You must have cycled on the road to know that when people shout amongst other things
- why don't you pay road tax?
- why don't you use the cycle lane?
- why do cyclist cycle in the middle of the road?
etc.. they almost always have no interest in the answer, they just want you out of their way.
.. so in the same way that the OP has incorrectly assumed they were cycling in that way purely because they were arrogant, they must have incorrectly assumed he was stopping his car and coming over to talk to them purely because he impatient and aggressive.
Maybe the problem is that cyclists like these are seen to be enjoying themselves on the road.... not sure anybody else does?
They are using a public space for thier private past time. But, as such, they are including other members of the public into their little game.... thing is, other members of the public don't wanna be play... for them the road is a tool to get from A to B and not a playground.
Ro5ey
The road is a place for vehicles other than cars
**** off with this cyclists on the road need to get out of your way crap.
the cyclists appear to have been cycling in a group down a country lane, they dont have to give up the road to a car.
and if those cyclists are getting from a to b then you have to sit behind them and wait.
just like you do for horses, learners, tractors etc.
Try riding on the road and see what its like Ive been spat at, stuff thrown at me, knocked off, run in to run over, hit, abused, horns etc etc.
And for what minding my own business riding a bike on the road.
Learn to share the road you car driving ****s.
I struggle with long sentences, but from the first page...
If ten riders got into single file wouldn't that just leave you with a very long line to try to get past safely? Or would you just start to pass and then push into the middle of them if something was coming the other way?
Having been educated on the motorbike thread, I believe the correct action would indeed be to push yourself in between two of the cyclists, you would clearly then have to argue about safe gaps and braking distances to justify your beheviour. Here is the warning though, never and I mean never even hint at the fact that you might be wrong or that this could be considered a dangerous manouvre. You are in control of the car and if the cyclists can't deal with it then they should not be on the road if they're simply going to prevent you making progress. Inconsiderate idiots.
Sancho .... chillout, dude.
Maybe step away from the keyboard for a moment
You have super over-reacted to my post as you know nothing of my road use.
Would like to apologise, so that you can be taken seriously
Skills and consideration could certainly be improved on all sides.
Riding 'through and off' is, and has been, standard group riding procedure for decades. And I mean decades. Since early 1900's if not earlier. It's effective for riding efficiently against the wind.
Are we saying that cycling practice which takes place for good reasons and has done so for c 50-60 years before cars came into mass ownership, has to change now because car drivers (and I am one) don't like it?
Not sure I can see a good rationale for that.
And if the French, Italians, Spanish, Dutch, Danish can STILL manage to respect cyclists, why can't Brits?
Just get a beat up Land Rover they soon get out off the way.
They are using a public space for thier private past time. But, as such, they are including other members of the public into their little game....
I see.
So should we ban all private past times in public spaces?? Not all of us have our own lands and private estates to occupy us.
Or are you just suggesting that the law is changed to force people enjoying themselves to give way to miserable people?
the cyclists appear to have been cycling in a group down a country lane, they dont have to give up the road to a car
On another forum, there's a bloke in red socks explaining how he and the rest of his rambling group has the right to walk down the middle of a bridleway, and they don't have to move to let those lycra louts get past.
Try riding on the road and see what its like Ive been spat at, stuff thrown at me, knocked off, run in to run over, hit, abused, horns etc etc.
And for what minding my own business riding a bike on the road.
Me too, cycled to work every day for the past 25 years.
And in that time, I've noticed that the proportion of idiots on bikes is roughly the same as that in cars.
169Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.
Is it ok to hold up single cars?
[i]On another forum, there's a bloke in red socks explaining how he and the rest of his rambling group has the right to walk down the middle of a bridleway, and they don't have to move to let those lycra louts get past. [/i]
and they don't so what's your point ?
The difference is that the "lycra louts" are unlikely to suddenly meet another cyclist coming the other direction, run out of room, swerve into the rambling group and kill half of them.
And if the French, Italians, Spanish, Dutch, Danish can STILL manage to respect cyclists, why can't Brits?
Are you sure that the Spanish respect cyclists?
let's do some maths children.....
4 miles behind the Peloton which may have been averaging 20mph?
= 12 minutes sat behind the spandex massif??
With patience like that they should have pulled you over and given you a Nobel Peace Prize, anyone else with a pulse would have either driven over the top of them or forced their way by and [i]made[/i] them single file.
Either way, keep hugging those trees dear pacifist 😆
Graham … ever played a game of cricket in the local shopping centre? Maybe a game of football in the library?
Sorry but that’s how a lot of drivers see it.
I’ve been out with road groups didn’t like it for this very reason… yes we have the “right” to be there… but arrogance I witnessed on those rides and on here this afternoon,I could do without.
Because those who don’t wanna play our little game just happen to be in charge of 1+ ton of metal... (thanks for illustrating the point, with your last post)
Be careful guys… remember what Mum said…. Don’t play in the road.
Threads like this are great for giving an insight into why things like the Good Friday Agreement took so long to be written.
Graham … ever played a game of cricket in the local shopping centre? Maybe a game of football in the library?
I've played cricket and football in the park. The park is a public space.
Graham … ever played a game of cricket in the local shopping centre? Maybe a game of football in the library?
No, but I've played football in the road. I've seen people walking and jogging in the road. I've seen horses on the road.
I've even seen drivers who looked like they were enjoying themselves.
Because those who don’t wanna play our little game just happen to be in charge on 1+ ton of metal... (thanks for illustrating the point, with your last post)
Ahh.. "might is right". Tell me, should cars be forced to pull over and get out the way of HGVs at weekends?
I mean, the cars are probably out for leisure reasons. The HGVs are working. They don't want to play and they are bigger, heavier, will come off a lot better in a crash AND they pay more "road tax".
Sure the cars have a right to be there, but the HGVS happen to be in charge of 12 tons of metal.
I cant believe the comments on this a cycling thread about other cyclists being on the road.
perhaps some people need to undersatnd they are not so important when in their car and that the road is a shared space.
If you dont like getting stuck behind cyclists, or a slow moving vehicle, then think about the other road users and how they might feel rather than getting all hot and bothered about being held up.
Ransos... You're missing the point old chap.. Everyone else in the park were also there, enjoying themselves.
Take your football match on the alloments next door... you'd getta hoe up your Harris.
Sancho - Member
I cant believe the comments on this a cycling thread about other cyclists being on the road.
+1
Am surprised and saddened to read so much antagonism towards cyclists on the road. Am also somewhat bemused as to why so many people get so angry about having to slow down a little, for whatever reason.
Like many of you, I'm a road cyclist, mountain biker, car driver, and hiker - and generally think the majority of folks in all 'groups' are on the whole decent and considerate.
In this specific example, I suspect there might be many, justifiable reasons why a group of road cyclists acted the way they did. When I'm out riding with a group, we are often wary of going single file as it leads to drivers trying to squeeze past when there isn't enough room. Spliting into 2 groups isn't usually practical or safe to have a car in the middle. And often stopping a group in a layby etc us pretty hard as there is limited room and it's often not possible to spot such opportunities in time to communicate it through the group in time to allow everyone to safely stop.
Why the impatience? Does a few minutes really matter? Personally, I can happily sit behind a group of cyclists and admire some very fit legs 🙂 If I'm on my bike (road or off-road) I have no problem slowing down for ramblers or dog walkers that are often using the back roads round here. And let's just appreciate the fact that hopefully most road users will get home safe and sound to their family and friends.
Graham.. did you carry on your game of footie in the street when a car came?
Ro5ey
we all get you don't like roadies, so stop talking sh!te.
perhaps some people need to undersatnd they are not so important when in [s]their car[/s] a large'ish cycling group and that the road is a shared space.
Goes both ways, doesn't it.........common courtesy that is !
Pigeon Holed me there nicely Sancho. 🙄
So.. both sides have had their say.
I have read the lot and although I now know a bit more about road riding than I did, I feel I have learnt more aboute the human race in general.
All I really wanted was consideration, I wasnt rude, I didnt loose my rag or raise my voice, I kept a safe distance and never tried any silly Manoeuvres. I aproached the group in a friendly manner but was virtually ignored, those that did engage in CONVERSATION told me tuff S%it in so many words, followed by rudery, Shame on them.
I just hope when people see me or you with cycle kit on they dont jump to any conclusions and assume we are all like that.
Life goes on...
Amen to that.
Just pick a different route at weekends!
Graham.. did you carry on your game of footie in the street when a car came?
Nice swerving of my question. No I didn't. But in the heady days of my youth, when such games were played, cars would drive slowly through streets because they'd [i]expect[/i] kids to be playing in them.
Now, answer my questions, HGVs...
woody, you miss the point.
the faster car is slowed down, so has to share the space,
when a fast group of cyclists catch a slower walking horse they have to slow down and pass when safe and so on and so on, its about sharing the road, and you dont have to get out of the way to let someone past.
just learn that lesson please then we will all be safer.
I've been cycling on the road for about 15 years, but only started driving very recently.
I often feel incredibly vulnerable cycling on the road.
Now that I'm driving, I can understand why some drivers become frustrated/impatient with cyclists, not because their very very important journey is being delayed but because it can be quite unnerving trying to pass (particularly a large group). That said, I'm putting my own nerves down to concern my actions could have for the cyclist(s) and therefore added pressure to pass safely, along with a lack of experience.
Whilst the only correct answer must always be that the driver should stay behind patiently until it's safe to pass, I now know as a cyclist that maybe the driver behind me isn't a total c0ck, but just a bit worried/hesitant about passing, and I'll try to make allowances accordingly (I would often ride with a mindset that as the vulnerable road user, the car should always be the one making the allowances).
Nice to see it from both sides finally.
That said, sitting behind anything is just something I gather you have to get used to 🙂 Singletrack roads on Skye are good for patience!
Ro5ey
we all get you don't like roadies, so stop talking sh!te.
Nah... I just dont like blind arrogance in any form, from any one... be they a fellow cyclist or not.
You can think I'm talking sh!te all you like... just please be careful and dont pick a fight with a car.
Not all motorists will be as considerate as the OP.
specialknees id suggest you get on with your life and ignore most of what is said here and what was said to you by the other cyclists, that way you wont end up fuming on the forum like me.
Ransos... You're missing the point old chap.. Everyone else in the park were also there, enjoying themselves.
You were claiming that road cyclists shouldn't use a public space for private recreation.
I don't recall any law that requires the sole function of road use to be utility, any more than park use is the sole preserve of dog walkers.
Roadie behaviour like that is no different to walkers who don't get out of the way.
Both are being rude.
Why the impatience? Does a few minutes really matter?
Quite. You'd imagine there are an awful lot of houses on fire judging by the way cars Must Get Past At All Costs.