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''that way you wont end up fuming on the forum like me''
Good point Sancho.
Im calm now.Im in a calm place now.
As I said I have learnt a bit today.
Sadly, if it were someone else in my shoes (well car) it could have been a very different outcome.
Im going to pat myself on the back and get on with my life.
Might even ride me bike tonight.
Look out for me.!
Zippy
Walkers are not being rude by not getting out of your way FFS
who do you think you are.
I don't recall any law that requires the sole function of road use to be utility
So what is utility, i object to the school run, they can walk to school. As for commuters that is what buses and trains are for. Driving to the shops, well that isn't very helpful is it.
Goods should be on railways, isn't that the cry.
So that is road congestion solved.
just learn that lesson please then we will all be safer.
You're preaching to the converted here sancho.
If you read my posts I am advocating courtesy from all sides and just because you don't [b]have[/b] to get out of the way, doesn't mean that you don't!
Re the 'walkers', if I'm walking and I see a bike coming towards me, I'll usually get out of the way, especially if I'm walking the dogs. I don't have to but it's often a lot easier for me to do that. No big deal and it usually ends in a mutual smile and thanks. The 30-40% of mtb'ers who don't even acknowledge you or bother to say thanks despite the fact I have ROW can go **** themselves however 😆
Woody +1
Roadie behaviour like that is no different to walkers who don't get out of the way.
I think you need to read the law regarding cycling access to the countryside. You have no rights, cyclists are expected by law to get out of the way of walkers, horses, etc.
Walkers may give way to you but they have no duty to do so, but as a cyclist you are expected to yield the path without question. The usual crap about the path not being used, it being ok to build jumps, everyone should get out of my way because i am important, is just that, CRAP.
The number of times i read and experience people on bikes riding downhill refusing to yield to those riding up hill regardless of the climb pretty well sums up why i find most mtb riders a bunch of ********.
If mtbers want to ride off road there are some very simple rules to abide by, if you don't like them, talk to the landowner, they can change the rules in specific cases. There is rarely any issue with cheeky trials as long as you remember your not meant to be there and act accordingly.
Re the 'walkers', if I'm walking and I see a bike coming towards me, I'll usually get out of the way. I don't have to but it's often a lot easier for me to do that. No big deal and it usually ends in a mutual smile and thanks.
I do the same, but it's not really a valid comparison, as moving to the side of the path is very easy to do. In the OP's case, the cycling group would have to find a large space to pull over, and organise themselves so it could be done safely. Not very easy or convenient. On the other hand, the driver could spend a couple of minutes longer on his journey...
Walkers are not being rude by not getting out of your way FFS
who do you think you are.
Just to double check your tolerance levels - you roll up behind a bunch of walkers on a bridleway on your mtb, they turn and see you there then carry on plodding along as they were. You get off and walk too or do a bit of track standing and slow rolling.
1min gone - happy still?
3mins gone - still happy?
6mins gone - not getting a little tetchy yet?
12mins gone - how are those trees and birds looking - still chipper?
20mins gone - all sweetness and light with you?
Well that's the length of time the op was slowed.
The point is in both cases the walker and cyclist are probably in the right in the strictest sense of the word by some book or other but they have failed the test of being a considerate human being and stepped over the line of being reasonable in sticking to "their rights". Give and take is what makes the world go around.
Once more the conversation has drifted into the wrong assumption that the cyclists simply chose not to move on a [i]whim[/i].
A walker can just move without endangering themselves - a rider on a road could very well make the situation much more risky for themselves by inviting a car to come through in a dangerous place. If you can't see the on-coming road, it isn't safe to overtake.
The comparison is false.
[u]Totally[/u] wrong - because the walkers would risk nothing by moving aside.Just to double check your tolerance levels - you roll up behind a bunch of walkers on a bridleway on your mtb, they turn and see you there then carry on plodding along as they were. You get off and walk too or do a bit of track standing and slow rolling.1min gone - happy still?
3mins gone - still happy?
6mins gone - not getting a little tetchy yet?
12mins gone - how are those trees and birds looking - still chipper?
20mins gone - all sweetness and light with you?Well that's the length of time the op was slowed.
The point is in both cases the walker and cyclist are probably in the right in the strictest sense of the word by some book or other but they have failed the test of being a considerate human being and stepped over the line of being reasonable in sticking to "their rights". Give and take is what makes the world go around.
"You were claiming that road cyclists shouldn't use a public space for private recreation."
No not really... the point I was making was
Others road users do not want to be playing our cycling for fun, game.
Once more the conversation has drifted into the wrong assumption that the cyclists simply chose not to move on a whim.A walker can just move without endangering themselves - a rider on a road could very well make the situation much more risky for themselves by inviting a car to come through in a dangerous place. If you can't see the on-coming road, it isn't safe to overtake.
The comparison is false.
You see this is where internet bickering is rubbish - what you have said there could be perfectly reasonable or complete bollox - you don't know as you were not there and don't know the road and neither do I. Facts remain that I'm struggling to imagine a 4 mile bit of quiet back road without a layby, little road junction or some such which a group could not roll through to let other traffic through if it chose. I don't buy the its hard to do that as a group nonsense - I've done more group ride miles than had hot dinners and if that is the case the group should be having a word with itself about comms and groups leadership.
I would suggest the cyclists were risking far more, as not all drivers are as patient and courteous as the OP.Totally wrong - because the walkers would risk nothing by moving aside.
Totally wrong - because the walkers would risk nothing by moving aside.
See my last post - it is ok to pull over and stop when in a group - you are not in the tdf! I have done it with groups thousands of times. Not one of those times was I risking anything (except a strava time!).
I wouldn't want to be stopping all the time like that but road where this is a problem to this extreme are quite unusual so a bit of consideration in those situations would seem reasonable - you hold up others for just a few minutes and you have to stops a few times for a couple of seconds - both parties inconvenienced but not significantly. Seems fair.
No not really... the point I was making wasOthers road users do not want to be playing our cycling for fun, game.
Well if it's "no not really" then why say it?
The point about public spaces is that we have to share them. There is no particular reason why a motorist should take priority over a recreational cyclist.
Obviously I wasn't there - and neither were you. The principle is the important thing though - the cyclist has the decision, because they are the one with something to lose. The car driver thinks he is making a calculated risk (that nothing will come the other way) - but he isn't actually risking anything of his own.You see this is where internet bickering is rubbish - what you have said there could be perfectly reasonable or complete bollox - you don't know as you were not there and don't know the road and neither do I. Facts remain that I'm struggling to imagine a 4 mile bit of quiet back road without a layby, little road junction or some such which a group could not roll through to let other traffic through if it chose. I don't buy the its hard to do that as a group nonsense - I've done more group ride miles than had hot dinners and if that is the case the group should be having a word with itself about comms and groups leadership.
I fully agree that there is no reason for them not to pull over, on the face of it. I just assume that they had a good reason not to. Again - when you weigh it all up you have to give the cyclists the benefit of the doubt because if anything goes wrong they are the more vulnerable party.See my last post - it is ok to pull over and stop when in a group - you are not in the tdf! I have done it with groups thousands of times. Not one of those times was I risking anything (except a strava time!).
Just to double check your tolerance levels - you roll up behind a bunch of walkers on a bridleway on your mtb, they turn and see you there then carry on plodding along as they were. You get off and walk too or do a bit of track standing and slow rolling.
and if your on a footpath, game over, you shouldn't be there and it has been known for the point to be made.
Bridleway, game over. They might be nice, but having seen how some riders behave why be considerate when so many mtbers aren't?
Now if we want a more correct comparison walkers on a bramble lined path, they can't really move aside because of the thorns.
If the walkers don't want to move your problem, the law is quite clear on this. You don't have any rights to expect them to move out the way.
20mins gone - all sweetness and light with you?
20mins... club cyclists at 20mph, how many miles would that be, 7miles?
So 20mins is crap then,
By the way, I fully expect cycling individuals and groups to slow down and be prepared to stop, just the same as any road users. When they whizz through my village they will be left in no doubt about my ideas on that front if I'm walking along! Everyone needs to be able to stop in the road that they can see at any one moment - if another road user is in the same space, adjustments must be made.
Others road users do not want to be playing our cycling for fun, game.
and i don't want other road users endangering my life when i am going about my lawful actions.
you dont have to get out of the way to let someone past
I always do. If there is a clear passing opportunity for someone tailing me I slow and move to the left edge to help with their visibility. And I always leave a decent gap in front for drivers to move into. I was taught this. Why do anything else?
And I also do this when riding my bike.
Considering the profusion of laziness and unnecessary car journeys, I think it is rather a moot point to compare a cyclist's "unnecessary" use of the road and a car driver's "essential" journey.
Considering the profusion of laziness and unnecessary car journeys, I think it is rather a moot point to compare a cyclist's "unnecessary" use of the road and a car driver's "essential" journey [b]To ride [u]HIS[/u] Bike[/b]
but what if you overtake the cyclist and pull in too fast, reducing his 2 second minimum braking distance ???
should he have noticed that you were overtaking and slowed down appropriately to maintain that gap ?
Fascinating - if trolling was an Olympic sport surely there are some contenders for a gold here? 😆
Turner Guy - that exact thing has happened to me, with a bloody milkman. I was riding way way out to stop him too - and he still came by into a blind, narrow bit of road and promptly slammed on the brakes. By the time I stopped I was alongside him (nowhere else to go) - and explaining in [i]very[/i] "clear" terms the error of his ways!
Turner Guy that happened to me, riding on a straight road going in to a long left hand corner, car decides to overtake our line or riders with me on the front then pulls in to avoid cars coming the other way and takes me out with their mirror, could have been really really bad, I was lucky to get away with cuts and bruises.
I got stuck behind some for 2 miles on the way home from the Olympic road race on Sunday- a group of about 8. It was on a twisty road, quite narrow with big hedges so I behaved myself.
However, every time the road got wide enough for me to pass them they started weaving over the road like buggery- swinging 3 or 4 feet a time. Sometimes to avoid things but, quite often, to avoid each other. It was a terrible show of group riding, and there will be a lot of it about in the less hilly parts of the country while TdF/Olympic fever goes about.
So long as everyone considers their actions we'll all be OK- slowing down and moving in to the kerb a bit on a safe bit of road to let drivers pass as quickly as possible, waiting patiently in the twisties. A considerate rider will make opportunities for drivers to pass while a considerate driver will not take every opportunity they see.
These very polarised arguments on here don't really hold the answer at all.
If you drive a diesel then the answer, when you finally overtake them, is to floor the clutch pedal and accelerator, blasting them with a cloud of black carcinogenic particles.
Particularly apt when the OP is 'fuming' 🙂
If you drive a diesel then the answer, when you finally overtake them, is to floor the clutch pedal and accelerator, blasting them with a cloud of black carcinogenic particles.
Or slam on your brakes once past, as your entitled and legally allowed to do. Any resulting damage to your vehichle will be at the cost of said rider/s.
Choice.
I have to assume that most of the above is [i]Tongue in cheek[/i], no?
Or slam on your brakes once past, as your entitled and legally allowed to do
not sure that you can without reason - didn't some surgeon in the states do that in his SUV some years ago - made a real mess of one of the cyclist who went through his rear window.
omg still going on about this? roadies are ****ers at the best of times. weave all over the road and have no respect for other road users. you know we wont hit u so u act like pricks. if u looked over your sholder and there was some 50cent looking guy built like a brick shit house driving with his home boys revving his engine u would soon move over
Tony, your Mother might want you to go and have a bath now.
50cent looking guy built like a brick shit house driving with his home boys revving his engine u would soon move over
been there, called the police, driver was arrested. Wasn't the first complaint.
Konastoner - Member
Or slam on your brakes once past, as your entitled and legally allowed to do. Any resulting damage to your vehichle will be at the cost of said rider/s.
guff.
Or slam on your brakes once past, as your entitled and legally allowed to do. Any resulting damage to your vehichle will be at the cost of said rider/s.
you mean the uninsured cyclist, so you would deliberately cause a crash just to cause yourself the grief of a trip to court to launch a civil claim,
Remind me next time i see a car carrying bikes to shoot the driver, it is the only way to be safe, I used to think it was the ****s in Audis and BMWs i needed to watch out for, now i know it is the ones with mtbs on the back.
were does this put me? i ride my mtb on the road to get to the place i want to ride
roadies are **** at the best of times. weave all over the road and have no respect for other road users.
I know they just ruin the flow of respect and courtesy you get from all the polite car drivers.....nice bit of casual racism too
were does this put me? i ride my mtb on the road to get to the place i want to ride
Nothing personal but with your attitude in a box 6'under is the only safe place for the rest of us.
I hate riding on country lanes due to all these issues.
I often have to briefly to link up bridleway sections.
How people actually enjoy spending hours on the roads regularly dealing with these stressful dangerous situations is beyond me.
I always wave and let cars through at the earliest opportunity even if it means track standing for 20 seconds at a driveway or passing point.
Lots of nutcases on the road and I don't want an angry one behind me even if I technically have right of way.
[i][s]were[/s] Where does this put me? [s]i[/s] I ride my mtb on the road to get to the place [s]i[/s] I want to ride.[/i]
It puts you in the same place as everyone else; needing to appreciate that the way forward is to learn tolerance and to discard muppetry.
(I'll risk the English correction, knowing full well that some bright spark will be along soon to correct me...)
weave all over the road
case law, going back over 100 years, bikes are allowed to wobble, this is why you have to overtake properly.
A car hitting a wobbling cyclist is totally at fault, tested time and time again, driver will loose any court case.
For balance, I've just got back from a road ride and had a thoroughly pleasant time. Drivers were fine and gave me ample space when passing. Those that had to wait for me I gave a wave as passing. On the tight mountain passes I waved through vehicles from behind me when I had the better line of vision. They waved back saying thanks.
Back to the OP - four miles does seem excessive!
How people actually enjoy spending hours on the roads regularly dealing with these stressful dangerous situations is beyond me.
despite what some might think, it is actually very rare, sightly more common than being threatened by a shotgun toting landowner,or riding bridleways and being confronted by falling pheasants, shot etc. yes both have happened more than once!
Most people on the road are considerate, all sides, but there are ****s.