[Closed] if an industry insider shows themselves to be a ****

What thread is missing?

S'funny - my last post on that thread was pondering on the lack of a ban....

... and then the post disappeared.

[url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/why-are-road-bikers-such-nobs-rant-content ]This missing thread?[/url]

He plays you lot like a fish on the end of a line.

I don't get how people can be so stupid to fall for such an obvious troll. The only way to react to things as dumb as that is not to reply. Every time you reply, he wins.

Stop talking bollocks mrmo.

Ii dont understand why someone gets off on this sort of stuff tbh not exactly hard to be an offensive oaf now is it.

I am certain that he wont see a penny of my money though and he distributes a fair bit of kit I wont be buying
Quick Gary seize the day make a reference to child porn/ PC World I never stop laughing at your subtle wit
Mrmo keep going you are annoying him so you must be doing something right

Fyck me, is that it?

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Blimus

There really are some sanctimonious dickheads on this forum. 😀 Some of you never fail to amuse me. 😆

i'm surprised GRF evan bothers! some of you are so easy, it's not evan sporting...

maybe cos you wear spds 😀

Wasn't this the tool who threatened the STW crew via Twitter and was going to take them to court/introduce them to Mr Sledgehammer/scweam and scweam 'till he was sick?

Anyone got a link to that Twitter feed?
If I remember correctly, it was hilarious.

pastcaring.............nail/head.

Why doesnt someone just email his brands with links to his posts? I'm sure they'd be interested.

There really are some sanctimonious dickheads on this forum. Some of you never fail to amuse me.

Ah, just found the thread in question. 🙂

ton - Member

pastcaring.............nail/head.

His original post about SPD's didn't wind me up in the slightest, as it was such an obvious troll.

But he seemed so pleased with himself about it later on in the thread that I thoroughly enjoyed seeing him loose his temper & spit his dummy.

That whole 'Don't you know who I am?' thing on Twitter was just soooo funny as well.
He's far more amusing than some of the regular bores on here - can we keep him?

Aw bless has the nasty man upset some ikkle diddums on here.

I think threads like that should be kept open, cos then it gives idiots like me something to do rather than bothering decent folk on other threads. 🙂

We can all argue and bicker in one place without causing a fuss elsewhere.

I'm surprised you define most of your target market as total cocks.

the mags listed above are very fair with reviews and not swayed by advertising. the worst i dealt with had threats of removal of editorial features/reviews if advertising was removed. nice

I am on a quest to find bike riders who aint total cocks and it is a tough call,

you're

Sneaky edit...

Does he sell pink lycra?

I'm unsure I follow G.R.F.'s lead but, as Elf says, keep those arguments open guys. Nobody would close a helmet thread if TJ was speaking his thoughts there, would they? So why close one where somebody else says what more than a lot of people think?
BTW Roadies are often thick, whatever lycra they wear. Thick but fit and fast. I ain't fit nor fast.

G.R.F. - Member
:lol:Your not my 'target market'.

he doesn't sell road bikes 😈

most of your target market

well if the target market is whinging, wet, guardian reading, bleeding heart, trail center fat boys, then he really has screwed up. 😆

I think threads like that should be kept open, cos then it gives idiots like me something to do rather than bothering decent folk on other threads.

We can all argue and bicker in one place without causing a fuss elsewhere.

market destructive CRC style

I kind of like market destructive companies.

You're not my 'target market'.

It's not whether I am or not. I presume "bike riders" are for you and some of the brands you represent. Referring to the majority of bike riders as total cocks is probably not a strategy your brands would appreciate.

I mean, perhaps you just do it (troll) for the sport or whatever but really in your position, MD, Director, Representative, and at your age (what are you, mid sixties?) you should show a little responsibility and be able to rise above.

our stratgey of internet avoidance goes down just fine with them.

Tazzy superb proper LOL

I'm kind of confused G.R.F., are you saying I have to choose between my road bikes, my mountain bikes and my city bike? That I'm not allowed to embrace the many forms of cycling or enjoy the meeting of minds of such a diverse group as that that posts here. I do, however, agree with you on the point about thick skin, dishing it out and taking it and the pissing off of those who aren't the target audience.

😉

Referring to the majority of bike riders as total cocks is probably not a strategy your brands would appreciate.

but I am on a quest to find bike riders who aint total cocks and it is a tough call

Long shot, but maybe you should take a looooooong hard look at yourself first, if you're serious with that statement.

You're assuming that the vast majority of stw users don't think that the vast majority of other stw users are total cocks. If they do... then he might be onto something. There's a fine line between idiocy and genius.

FIFY

Well if you must know, the people who's products I sell, on a personal level, find my 'sense of humour' just fine and our sales performance outstanding,

You clearly have no grasp of PR but I'd almost bet someone at the end of Dakines (for example) various contact addresses ( http://www.dakine.com/customer-service/) would not find your 'sense of humour' 'just fine' if they were emailed links to your various posts and tweets discussing you.

FIFY

I am on a quest to find

total

looooooong hard

cocks

hmmmmm maybe these rants about pink lycra roadies are displacement behavior to hide sir's liking for riding on the other bus 😉

The target audience is surely those that don't ride bikes, it's why the boat show/bike show was so successful.

i find the majority of other bikers total cocks but accept that they may feel the same ABOUT ME. theres some good folk out there too though.

but GRF, total cock ! 😀

jez, i only started the thread 'cause i wanted to know why the thread got pulled. Over the years i have heard of far too many stories of mags saying things to keep the advertisers happy.

The ageism bit was someone suggesting you get wiser as you get older so it was hardly disparaging.

tazzymtb do you work for heat? good work sir

LOL @ Tazzy 🙂

I'm sooo confused right now.

I've spent thousands on bikes and biking related products.
My household income is in the top percentile according the Department of National Statistics.

I have 5 bikes at the moment and am always chopping and changing parts, so why do surf sales not consider me to be within their target market?

G.R.F?

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pink lycra

Errr... I thought this chap imported Santa Cruz... not exactly the brand targeted at the discount hungry new-to-MTBing purchaser?

I thought santa cruz bikes come through Jungle, this bloke does Santa Cruz Snowboards.

ahhhhh..... thanks.

GRF, sorry i am not looking for a ban, i do honestly want to know why one thread got pulled and another did not.

I am genuinely concerned about editorial independence, there is no point in any mag running any "tests" if the editorial is actually advertorial.

The facts are you came on to what is actually a cycling forum, it isn't really an MTB forum in any real practical sense, and claimed to have assaulted cyclists, what sort of response were you expecting to get? Look at the response James Martin got for his piece about testing a Tesla, and that was in the Mail FFS!

IF i get held up by someone driving a ridiculously large truck towing a boat, why worry about it, such is life. If i come up behind some cyclists i wait till it is safe, if they filter past me at lights such is life.

I am genuinely concerned about editorial independence, there is no point in any mag running any "tests" if the editorial is actually advertorial.

I hope they do pay attention to who pays the bills.

Hah you come across as a bit 'disturbed' chum, you get the piss taken out of you on a forum and you want to do what exactly? Get me fired? You've really no idea

I hope they do pay attention to who pays the bills

Hang on, this is an MTB forum. Its called singletrackworld and if the powers that be want it to be a generic cycling forum then I suggest they change the name.

Top of GRF's Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr truck

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juvenile and pointless
Just ignore him
Will soon get bored

The people who buy the magazine? How can you have no objection to a mag saying x is great just for money [ advertising space].

The incident did occurr, and I did sound the horn and the pink clad one did jump and he did get out of the way, but then he was in the wrong as a lot of road cycling bikers often are. If he hadn't gotten out of the way he could have been caught be the trailer, so it was as much a mercy action (should have been a mercy kiling ;-)) as a malevolent one

And anyway why does it matter? It would be a foolish man who would deny himself a product simply because he doesn't 'like' the purveyor, Bill Gates can testify to that.

G.R.F. - Member
I imagine the thread got pulled after I put the Gay shots up, disproving the homophobia thing, it wouldn't 'do' to find I'm not the evil b'stard portrayed thus far.

Everyone knows gay people dont ride bikes, but theres probably a lot who are surfers.........

Yep, homosexuality is a pre requisite in professional windsurfing too.

and drunken sumo wrestling

Tight rubber, speedos, and a big nappy on their bum, typical windsurfer.

i agree with grf........this thread as run it's self to boredom.

Why don't you just shut up and give me one of those transition tr250s and then I'll be your friend?
Pretty cheap, I'm a good friend (no bumming though)

[url= http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070314 ]Give as much room as you would a car, rule 169[/url]

no surely it says beep them so you dont clip them

Most windsurfers are Gay - that's true, I tell them often enough and I should know.

but we don't really have a bike aimed at that market

I'll remove the Transition Bandit from my short list then.

Graeme are you manging director of this company?

http://www.surf-sales.com/contact.asp

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I think this is him

Edit: I live in Whitstable and know quite a few boarders who also ride bikes, road bikes in the main....

Oh my word! As an 'industry-er' I've not always got on with every member of this forum but I'm struggling to come to terms with what GRF is hoping to acheive here. . .

If i was an industry insider i would do what brant /jedi/si/18 bikes do or have another log on tbh

This has to be a wind up. Surely someone has hacked into Graham at Surf Sales account? Or set up a fake account pretending to be him?

Gerald Ratner misunderstood the negative impact of a business leader making derogatory comments, claiming it was a joke...

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ratner ]Gerald Ratner lost his job and nearly wrecked his company[/url]

that was my worry. He has implied who is but not said so directly. It seems so unlikely that anyone with a 30 year old business would wind everyone up using their real name. If this really is the md me surf sales then i hope it all comes back to cause you grief. I also note that if you had a thick skin then you wouldn't have been wound up in the first place.

So that's a no on the tr250/friendship trade then?

Oi, back off Backhander. I've called dibs on a Covert. Don't need none of that fancy DH bike nonsense I'm gonna put on my best pink lycra and SPDs and smash it down the local trail centre...

Yeah, an mash up your face an ting...

Look at the pictorial evidence;

Option A; Someone who dresses like this can't possible be serious when they take the piss out of people using SPD's and wearing lycra. It must be a wind up.

Option B; He's old. Really old. Dementias kicking in, he's a bit confused, certainly somethings not right in his head. I guess we should feel pity?

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[s]You lot[/s] I really don't get it do [s]you[/s] I?

GRF let me tell you a story about a rep who thought a lot of himself.

A story about my brother in law and a rep, the rep, late middle age, had been to a business lunch. He had a few to drink. thought he would be fine to drive home.

My BiL happened to be cycling to work got hit from behind, his leg was dragged up into the front wheel arch and shattered. His back was broken, obviously major skin loss, blood loss, the sort of things you expect. Anyway the driver decided he was important and couldn't stop, so carried on driving. he did stop when he crashed into a lamp post. in all the BiL was dragged a couple of hundred metres.

It transpires that the driver had been convicted previously of drink driving and has been convicted since.

The BiL survived, i think it was 6 months in hospital in the end, he lost his leg, and 9 years later is back in hospital to have another chunk taken off his leg as it has become infected. He has a faulty lymph system due to the extensive damage which is partly why the leg is being chopped again.

At the end of the day you are a glorified rep, your job is to act as an ambassador for the brands you sell, and your come across as a cock.

Yes the roadies might have pissed you off, but keep your mouth shut about it on a cycling forum surely that is common sense. Coming onto a cycling forum saying i drive like a cock is hardly going to do you any favours.

If you want to come on here and have a troll fine, but pick the subject.

Well there goes perspective.
Yeti, I'm sure that we can both be good friends with Graeme (and get our bikes). We can offer different aspects of friendship; I can offer manly mateyness, go for beers to strip clubs and you can offer bumming. Fair?