The look like the old Mono M4s.
FYI these require a new type of shifter adaptor, tech 3 ones won't fit
Shimano basically just cheap and okay as mass produced item.
Only the cheap ones, now look at XT, XTR, Saint etc.
@kimbers have you found a fitment chart? I’m assuming SRAM mounts will be available but what about the wealth of iSpec variants?
I just emailed hope to ask about ispec B, they said...
The Tech 4 master cylinder uses a new matchmaker, these are available to pre-order now along with the brakes
Cheers, I guess it will all be on hopetech once they actually release the brakes
Updated calipers (well pistons) too
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/hope-launch-new-tech-4-brakes.html
Love my v4s, have them paired with 220f 200r rotors on my enduro bike and absolutely love them, easily on par with the mt7s I had on my last bike, just much nicer levers.
However absolutely hate the look of these tech 4s, surely part of the hope appeal was the look of them
I know there's no sense of scale on those white backdrops but those levers look massive. They look like a big dangly MX levers.
There's a Joe Barnes bike check on YouTube and he's already running custom lever blades.
surely part of the hope appeal was the look of them
I always thought people liked them despite the looks? 🤢
The levers do have that spindly long TRP-ish look to them, though I think maybe it's an optical illusion and they're not that long? The adjusters look really out of place for the same reason, like they're off a different brake (and I still hates me tool free adjusters on general principles)
But they look good to me overall
I loved my Hope Race levers. Never understood the need for the big nobs (ohh err mrs) considering how infrequently I adjusted the reach etc.
tech docs finally online for the new tech 4 brakes. The shifter mount looks like the same arrangement as the tech 3 but no mention of ispec B being direct fit. The adapters only come in shimano EV or sram flavours so looks likely that older ispec B and Ispec II shifters are out.
Bit of a bugger as I have spec B rear shifters and wolf tooth dropper levers. I think I did buy one wolftooth with a bar clamp option just in case I didnt like the position on the shifter mount. They seem to be £20 for a bar clamp these days which is madness, have seen some 3D printed ones for a few £ but no idea how well they will last and how flexi they will be.
I'm surprised no one (incliding Hope) has offered a grub screw style adjuster for reach and bite point that needed a 2.5 or 3mm hex instead, that threads in and remains out of site. As above, once set, it's not something I fiddle with.
Hex headed grub screws are very easy to find if you want them. I'd do it myself if I still had my Hope brakes.
Has anyone seen a picture of the new levers fitted to a bike yet? I imagine they won't look so comically large with a bit of perspective.
They're not just simple grub screws though.
@sharkattack my tech4s have been delivered today. My gf is collecting them on the way home. I can show you it vs a tech3 later if you want
Ian
They’re not just simple grub screws though.
I'll have to take your word for it as I don't have any to look at anymore.
@sharkattack my tech4s have been delivered today. My gf is collecting them on the way home. I can show you it vs a tech3 later if you want
An actual side by side comparison is more than I dared to hope for!
Another request for a new v old comparison, I’ve been very vocal about how long they look but would love a side by side picture. Thanks!
Ok...they are here. If someone PMs me i can send a pic via whatsapp. Then someone more savvy than me can share them!
Ian
I have sent some photos to sharkattack and he has kindly offered to share them here. Over to you sharkattack.....
Im happy to answer any questions that arise (other than why is your garage such a state).
Ian
I’d love to know how they compare to common alternatives in terms of feel and power. That might take a little longer to figure out though.
Sorry, I just had to walk home from work!
Pics are here...
I think they look great. They seem very substantial, and that lever blade still looks massive! I'm a fan of that if it translates to more stopping power. I've been saying for years that brakes shouldn't be whittled away to nothing for the sake of a few grammes when I'm only interested in how well they work.
I'll think about some when my new plastic filled Code RSC's inevitably die and hopefully there's such a thing as sale prices again by that time.
Why is your garage such a state? (They do look great)
The tech4 lever is dimpled not perforated like the tech3.
From centre of pivot to tip of tech3 lever is 85mm.
Ftom centre of pivot to tip of tech4 lever is 90mm.
Ian
The later Tech 3 lever blades were also dimpled.
Thanks for taking the time to take/share the pictures. I’m definitely interested in some, but just can’t get over the lever length. Wish they’d gone the shorter route, but guess that means the performance gains wouldn’t be as good. Decisions decisions…
Glad you've seen sense and swapped to black from purple
There's not much in it, but seeing as Joe Barnes had his so close to his grips I didn't think there would be a huge difference, Joe has custom levers though which do look better and are closer to tech3 shape, I typically run my tech3s with an inch gap from my grips so I'm keen to see the shifter mount, shame there's no underside photos 🙂, but appreciate the comparison pics. I wouldn't have gone black, the silver versions caught my eye.
@tabletop the V4s in purple are my daughter's on her DH bike. Theybwouldnt be my firat choice of colour but thwy do work well.
Bit annoying about them only doing ispec EV (Tbf shimano are dicks for constantly changing their 'standard')
Kcnc do a clamp for ispec adaptors
Big thanks to Ben from Bird for sorting me out some E4s
Took them on a loop round the peaks today
Very impressed, certainly compared to my tech3s, more power, feel more solid at the lever.
Bit easier to bleed too.
Came with a set of organic pads as well as the flash green ones, be interesting to see how they are with those
What makes them easier to bleed? The only tricky bit was sometimes chasing the air out from behind the pistons in the calliper I thought.
What makes them easier to bleed
The reservoir is a bit more level and longer, just seemed to make it easier
Didn't do a full bleed, just shortened the hose as per the hope how-to video
Here's a pic
I couldn't wait for my ispec bar clamp to arrive so 3d printed one last night, obviously I cracked it over tightening (PLA) At 1am 😳 So Gorilla glued a ziptie on, held up fine!
@kimbers did you get a chance to ride these yet? What do you think? How do they compare to other brakes you've tried?
My review......
Ive done about 100km on them so far, Peaks, Cannock, Woburn
swapped to the organics after 50km or so
(fwiw I weighed them and they were pretty much the same weight as the tech3s, maybe 10g heavier an end)
Really like the thicker lever, feels more solid than the tech 3s (maybe just fresh pivots/bushings help?)
The Green pads (are they galfas?) have a bit more initial bite, but the organics have plenty
They ARENT shimano instant otb, but more grabby than tech3s, still tons of modulation, definitely feels like theres more power for less input than tech 3s
Honestly Ive not tested them fully yet, need some big descents to really see and thats where I only felt the my tech3s needed more (muddy EWS scotland, last septenber)
overall very pleased
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Nice, definitely adding some tech 4 v4's to my list for any future frame upgrades I might be pondering... 😁
Anyone after a set in a hurry, leisurelakesbikes.com have them in stock.
I think I'll wait.Currently it appears they're only available as a complete brake unit, rather than being able to get the levers separate. Ive a new pair of V4's meant for the Ebike, so I can replace just the Tech3 levers for these new levers. Far as i can tell the caliper is likely to be the same model as lest gen'.
The Tech3 levers i have are also new, which should upon flogging them offset most of the cost.
I think the only change for the caliper (apart from the graphics) is the hybrid pistons which I'd expect to be fully swappable with the old v4's.
What are 'Hybrid pistons' I've missed out on info somewhere.
It's ok. found the info -
"Both 4 piston calipers have been updated and utilise hybrid style stainless steel pistons with a phenolic insert. This allows for smoother movement and less maintenance, while still being able to manage high temperatures without heat transfer during extreme use."
Aye so basically the old stainless pistons with a phenolic insert.
Makes me wonder how hard it would be to make a home brew for an old Enduro 4 for example?
These fellas:
I'd upgrade, but I damn ear lost my mind trying to get pistons out of and into an E4 caliper last time I did a service, it's a nightmare if one of the inside pistons is sticky
Nice ^
I've taken a tiny chunk out of one of my rear pistons when pushing them back in/centering the pads so these will solve that issue.
Should be more slipperyer too.
I took a tiny chunk out of a caliper trying to unstick a seized piston.
new caliper body was needed
Pick a brake brand
be a dick about it.
You say that but then Formula users seem lovely, they never rubbish anyone else's brakes, if you ask them about their own brakes they're effusive about how great they are but don't seem to go off on un-warranted rants about Shimano or Hope or Magura...
I might just get some Formulas see if I become less of a dick.
I had a rental (broke my own) bike in Italy one year, and the formulas on it were so unbelievably wooden and awful that I swore off them for life.
Curas changed me, have 4-pots on one bike, 2 on the other, and really like them
The last time Hope used a 2 piece piston was on the mini, and due to them having play between the alloy and the steel core they squealed like pigs. I hope this isnt going to be a repeat of history.
They discontinued the 2 piece mini piston in favour of one piece due to this issue(I think). Odd they've gone back to it.
I thought the Mini ones were ali (boiled easily) then became stainless, but maybe they became composite. I am not sure composite what though, ali/stainless?
I think the only change for the caliper (apart from the graphics) is the hybrid pistons which I’d expect to be fully swappable with the old v4’s.
How much is actually different about the calliper bodies is a diffent matter, but they've definitely changed the look slightly having seen them IRL.
anyone know if you can get the tech 4 levers standalone as yet, managed to get 2 sets of lefthand brakes, so looking to get a right hand lever..
anyone know if you can get the tech 4 levers standalone as yet, managed to get 2 sets of lefthand brakes, so looking to get a right hand lever..
No, but if you send one of your Left sets back leisurelakesbikes.com have right (and left) sets in stock.
I ordered a set on Wednesday, they were delivered on Saturday. Very nice they are too.
Any more updates from those that have gone Tech 3 to Tech 4? Surprisingly there's no reviews online yet and I'm really tempted!
I've got a pair and I can't tell you how good they are .power is outstanding and the lever feel is almost as light as the hayes a4 dominions they replaced.they come with a spare set of red galfer pads I can 100% tell you they are night and day from the old tech 3.i had to send my 3 ride old Dominion back to wiggle as the master cylinder was leaking but replaced under warranty but I lost faith in availability of long term spares .I got my hopes from Merlin in black and silver and with my loyalty bonus and extra discount paid £322 so I'm delighted.went to antur stiniog last Saturday and they were flawless and just like the light lever of the Dominion have really helped with my carpel tunnel syndrome.buy them you won't regret it .it's been a long time since I've bought something and can't wait to tell everyone I ride with and let them feel them for themselves.
How are the green racing organic pads? Much noise?
Theyre quite small physically and so rattle a bit, and the wear rate is quite high.
On the brakes overall though, they are outstanding. So much so we're now building all our demo bikes with E4 at the moment, they are that nice its worth the extra.
Any more updates from those that have gone Tech 3 to Tech 4? Surprisingly there’s no reviews online yet and I’m really tempted!
very happy with my upgrade!
definite improvement over tech3s
Theyre quite small physically and so rattle a bit, and the wear rate is quite high.
On the brakes overall though, they are outstanding. So much so we’re now building all our demo bikes with E4 at the moment, they are that nice its worth the extra.
Cheers, I've got tech 3 V4 on both my bikes so when I can see some V4 green pads available I'll probably swap, and of course try and nab a set of tech 4 v4's if (when) I change my frame.
Thanks everyone! I actually ordered a set from Wiggle with my platinum discount this morning as I had an email to say they where back in stock.
This was more to see if I was going to keep them. Just need some adaptors to mount the shifter and dropper lever!
This was more to see if I was going to keep them. Just need some adaptors to mount the shifter and dropper lever!
Rush Cycles have Tech 4 shifter mounts in stock
Yes mate E4 .like Ben said the pads do rattle and I opened the spring and they have been golden since .I opened the spring from the centre not just bending the arms of the spring and this sorted that out .the pads squeeled for all of 3 descents on the first ride and have not heard a peep from them since.reviews say the green race pads wear quick so I took some spares to stiniog which was wet under bike but they still look like new .I did a pb 22 runs mainly black powder so brakes get a good workout and they blew me away.i did order the hope bleed kit when I shortened the hoses and the bleed was effortless.i run the bpc closest to bars and just seven clicks of the lever throw out as I like them close to the bars but feeling solid and that strong grunt didn't alter all day .you will not regret it
For anyone interested, the Shimano mounts do work with some I-Spec II shifters. I email Hope and they confirmed the XTR M9000 as that's what I have.
@kimbers might work for you if you've not got a bar clamp yet and you have a compatible shifter?
Still not sure weather to keep them 🙂
thanks fathomer I have the unloved ispec B
In the end I got a mount from this guy in Estonia, its a bit fugly but rock solid
delivery took a couple of weeks
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08L42SMHC/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@fathomer - howdy hope all is well 🙂
keep us posted on these brakes, I'm really intrigued by them, and the above reports of them being much better all round over the e3's, i was really disappointed with mine when i had some
but given i know what/where you ride etc i know you'll give them a similar hammering to me so very interested on your thoughts please 🙂
I got my hopes from Merlin in black and silver and with my loyalty bonus and extra discount paid £322
*Bites fist*
That's outrageously tempting.
I like my Tech (Evo? It's the ambidextrous master cylinder) V4s but they just don't feel like they have much bite. They do, but just don't feel like it.theu we're going to go onto the DH bike anyway, some E4s would save putting the Guides onto the Pitch.
@oscillatewildly all good thanks, you?
See I've always really liked my Tech 3 E4's, got them on both bikes an the oldest pair have been going at least 6 years. I just fancy a little more bite for the steeper stuff!
@fathomer - yep all good this end thanks
yeh i think ive had 2 pairs over the years and just didnt like the power, just seemed to fade especially in the wet and it just lacked some confidence
i have heard a few people now say (along with this forum) that the new ones are a different brake almost completely to the old one so very interested as they are easy to maintain and get parts/bleed
I was wondering are the tech 4 levers and pistons backwards compatible.
It could be a cheapish way of upgrading tech 3/4 brakes.
Anyone done it ??
I was wondering are the tech 4 levers and pistons backwards compatible.
It could be a cheapish way of upgrading tech 3/4 brakes.
Anyone done it ??
I think the only change to the calipers are the new hybrid pistons, so you can use tech 3 or tech 4 or Evo lever with the X2, E4 or V4 (and probably some others!).
Yes it's all back compatible, I could fling them on my M4's if I wanted to.
I've been in touch with Hope today about various things. Tech 4 levers soon to be available as lever only apparently.
Levers are on wiggle
Levers are on wiggle
Give us a link please, I can only see the lever blade
Hmmm so tempted after yet another XT lever leak. Hate the wasteful throw away Shimano mentality when a £2 diaphragm would easily fix it.
My big issue with Hopes has always been the hideous constant chirping noise they make wet or dry. Any chance these new ones are quiet? Barely hear a peep from XT’s.
My big issue with Hopes has always been the hideous constant chirping noise they make wet or dry.
Honestly not noticed any sound from mine
But never noticed from my tech3s either
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/hope-brake-fanbois-you-wont-want-these/page/6/#post-12382066
Very common noise, you hear it on pro Hope riders videos. I found the tech 3 E4 really bad for it.