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Remember that the Syndicate have the ear of Chris Ball with Santa Cruz supplying bikes to Chris at a reasonable rate. Not that I am adding fuel to the fire 😆 😉
They should also have to take all their food and drink with then for the entire race If it is supposed to be more representative of what most of us o
Dunno, but I rarely take a full days water with me. 750ml bottle and make a note of where the streams are on the map if I'm out for more than 3 hours. I've got a camelpack, but even that rarely get's filled, filled it weighs half as much as my road bike!
Changeing tyres seems a bit like cheating, but assistance with spares is OK in my book, to be uncompetative in a series because your mech broke 30s into the first stage would be unfair on the sponsors who muct invest tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) into the series. Maybe the solution is neutral service like road raceing?
Chaps, lets not let the truth get in the way of some harmless character assassination eh?
He only drove 1.5km apparently.
Why would a super-fit multiple world champion need to drive such a short way?
Was it up a steep hill?
Cedric's comments and the clip at 2:10ish onward.... sorry, no embedded linky, not youtube/vimeo.
[url= http://www.epictv.com/media/podcast/crankworx-daily---enduro-world-series---handlebar-steve/238338 ]Crankworx Les 2 Alpes.[/url]
Cedric is a taking the mic. Shirley
I don't think he is.
aracer - MemberIf there was no advantage to it, why on earth did he go to all the hassle of getting in his car?
To get to the start of the stages- he lives nearby. A convenience, but not a competitive advantage. If you're driving from your house to ride a trail, do you drive near to the trail then park, or do you drive to somewhere a couple of miles away then ride there?
If you're driving from your house to ride a trail, do you drive near to the trail then park, or do you drive to somewhere a couple of miles away then ride there?
That's not a comparable situation - there's a big difference between driving a bit further when you're already in a car and choosing not to get in a car in the first place. If it was more convenient then that is clearly an advantage, whether that meant he was a little less tired or had a bit more time to do other things in his preparation (I've used a car when competing for similar reasons when I'd normally ride to where the event was).
rules is rules
barel broke them
(hes also broken rules at one other round at least an gone unpunished)
if hed attended the rider briefing hed have known
chris ball has also stated that karim amor wont be allowed to race EWS because he tested positive for a masking agent
he sounds harsh but fair
(the fact that a lot of the cool kids on the circuit dont seem to like barel is something else)
I seem to remember Fabian riding 'peak-less' in a WC DH race after 'everyone' had agreed to ride with peaks attached, think that kind of thing doesn't help going forward.......
Shame, as he can really ride a bike and is always worth listening to when interviewed.
aracer - MemberThat's not a comparable situation - there's a big difference between driving a bit further when you're already in a car and choosing not to get in a car in the first place. If it was more convenient then that is clearly an advantage,
How far away do you have to live from the trail before you're allowed to drive there, then? If his house was 20 miles away would that be OK?
It wasnt 20 Miles away it was 1.5 kilometers, even I would ride that and I'm fat, lazy, unfit and slow. I would expect a world class athlete to ride 1.5k even if its up a big hill.
I_Ache - Member
It wasnt 20 Miles away it was 1.5 kilometers, even I would ride that and I'm fat, lazy, unfit and slow. I would expect a world class athlete to ride 1.5k even if its up a big hill.
I think the punishment reflects that. He got a 5 min penalty, not the automatic DQ for shuttling. All riders were supposed to start in Whistler, he drove to the trail. Small violation, but a violation none the less - if he'd attended the rider briefing like everyone else, he'd have known.
Think it's all fair enough - they could probably have DQ'd him by the letter of the law.
So how many miles away would he have to live before you'd allow him to drive there instead of riding? (and do you think there's anything in the rules about this?)
honourablegeorge - MemberI think the punishment reflects that. He got a 5 min penalty, not the automatic DQ for shuttling.
He got DQ'd in all but name- it's like giving someone a 10 second penalty in the 100 metres.
But to put it another way... Since it wasn't uplifting or shuttling, apparently the infringement is that you had to start from the race start to practice any stages. Was that specifically in the briefing? We don't know. But that's a weird enough rule that it needed to be properly in the rules, not just an addition at a voluntary briefing.
Wouldn't you be better off asking Chris Ball northwind?
I think hes being made an example of northwind to stop the likes of the shuttling that was seen in the practice at the 1st round
well its worked its as high profile as you like and now everyone will know
maybe he wasnt the only one
but the fact that hes got a rep as a bit of a cheater at previous rounds probably dint help him
from chris ball
Crankworx created a rule that outlined no outside assistance (including using a vehicle to assist) would be allowed during the event. This rule was further explained and clarified in a mandatory athlete’s breakfast scheduled on Friday morning and hosted by the Crankworx Whistler organisers. Riders who chose not to attend this briefing missed crucial information regarding course changes, details of shuttling and race specific information. We are not responsible for educating riders who choose to miss planned briefings.
So how many miles away would he have to live before you'd allow him to drive there instead of riding?
Further away than the point where they were supposed to ride from would probably be a good start.
aracer - MemberFurther away than the point where they were supposed to ride from would probably be a good start.
Fair point- but we'll never know exactly what they were told and whether it was clear that practice had to start from the village, especially since the organisers keep talking about shuttling (which at the very least I think you've got to agree is open to interpretation) , and since it was so important that they didn't bother to put it in the written rules and only announced it in a voluntary briefing. TBH I don't understand how anyone can think that's a good way to run an event... Rules need to be clear but unusual rules more so.
It must have been clear enough for every other rider in the event to abide by the rule
spawnofyorkshire
It must have been clear enough for every other rider in the event to abide by the rule
Nope. apparently there were several riders doing the same thing. They just made an example of Barel.
I think it's a bit of a grey area and they overreacted, the punishment didn't fit the crime. It was during practice, not the race itself and Barel would have been, in real world practical terms "stupid" to not do what he did. His accommodation was closer to the trails he was practicing than the lift.
There is a deeper subtext here though. A lot of the riders seem to still be smarting from Barel's victory at the first round where he apparently used motor bikes to shuttle during midweek practice leading up to the event. This is what I believe put Peaty, Minnaar and Lopes' nose out of joint. However, according to FB, many riders were already there before him, were already doing exactly that several days earlier so he was only evening the playing field for himself.
The Syndicate boys arrived later again, and couldn't get the same practice. This is also apparently why Minnaar tried to hound dog Barel on several stages, to follow his lines, but by his own admission, Fabien was just much too fit and strong and he simply couldn't keep up. Shuttles or not.
Wouldn't you be better off asking Chris Ball northwind?
I think hes being made an example of northwind to stop the likes of the shuttling
Commas, apostrophes? Can you be DQed? 😉 😆
I seem to remember Fabian riding 'peak-less' in a WC DH race after 'everyone' had agreed to ride with peaks attached,
This is exactly the sort of shit that annoys me about the whole DH scene. More concerned with image than winning! If it's about winning, and someone thinks they can gain an advantage by running an aero set up (Skinsuits, anyone?) then why not? Or, is it more important to look all of teh awsumz in your baggy flappy gnar pyjamas?
Nope. apparently there were several riders doing the same thing. They just made an example of Barel.
OK i'll revise...
It must have been clear enough for the majority of riders to abide by the rule.
Were any of the other 'big name' riders accused of this as well? If not then it's his own fault for not being at the rider briefing or having a representative there
Or, is it more important to look all of teh awsumz in your baggy flappy gnar pyjamas?
Im sure theres an element of that, but its also important to keep sponsors happy or there would be no series
Surely winning races would keep more sponsors more happy? (If it is about the competition and not the image, that is...)
Imagine if DH ski racers turned up on steezy twin tips with baggy trousers round their ankles a la nu-skool ski grom!
I think those asking why he didn't just ride the 1.5km are missing the point he made that the 99 is a highway and I would therefore assume to not be very cycle friendly.
I think Fab has just been slapped down by the cool kids on this one after years of pushing the envelope. He's almost certainly not the only person to cut a pole here or there without pushing back up(see CG's comments) or to have worn his full face on top of his head but he's almost certainly the most high profile rider to have done so.
The EWS have at this point just got egg on their faces as no matter how you define it, there's no way one man can "shuttle" and there's minimal advantage to be gained from driving to the bottom of a trail.
CaptainFlashheart - Member
Surely winning races would keep more sponsors more happy? (If it is about the competition and not the image, that is...)
But if they're all wearing the similar things there's no advantage/disadvantage and the 'baggies' (which aren't all that baggy anymore) definitely look better for DH (imho).
Spectators are what's important, for sponsors and for the event organisers. Won't matter a jot how quick people are if no-ones watching. Seem to be plenty of people enjoying watching DH at the moment so I don't thing the baggy/skins thing is worth bothering with.
Troy Lee Designs wouldn't sell that many replica skinsuits, which is what the main concern with lycra in DH was...
Mark of this parish has been asking questions of Greg Minnar (with resposnes) on [url= https://twitter.com/singletrackmark/status/367590179726688257 ]Twitter[/url]
Minaars got it in for Barel!
maybe he does believe fabs been doping, maybe he just really doesnt like the guy!
Im always amazed at how the pros come back from serious inujries including Barel and laterly Gracia
tbh since armstrong and the exposure of systematic doping in road cycling Im suspicious of all athletes at the top level
This is getting silly now, I read Greg's original tweet as being ironic in part, and a number of the MTB media have taken it as a statement.
Mark's made himself look a bit silly there IMHO.
This is exactly the sort of shit that annoys me about the whole DH scene. More concerned with image than winning! If it's about winning, and someone thinks they can gain an advantage by running an aero set up (Skinsuits, anyone?) then why not? Or, is it more important to look all of teh awsumz in your baggy flappy gnar pyjamas?
Well if it really was all about winning (by virtue of being fastest rather than best looking), then they'd fit engines. Is there any differance between allowing engines and allowing skinsuits, both make you faster for less/same effort.
The rule is pretty simple, clothes have to be baggy (IIRC the test is a 1" fold in the material at various points), and the bikes can't have engines.
The whole thing was solved when Mojo turned up to the WC in Fort Willian in those black wet-look gimp suits which actualy made small children cry (as well as costing an arm and a leg and being even more aero than lycra).
It has been deemed that the image is important for the success of the sport (which I agree with).
The groms aren't going to want to replicate a bunch of lycra clad perverts.
The whole thing was solved when Mojo turned up to the WC in Fort Willian in those black wet-look gimp suits which actualy made small children cry (as well as costing an arm and a leg and being even more aero than lycra).
😆 I was working for Mojo then, that was funny, the look on the riders faces 😯
Chris made a pretty amusing point with that one
😆The groms aren't going to want to replicate a bunch of lycra clad perverts.
The main problem for me is that lycra makes most riders look tiny compared to the bikes, which looks silly.
Somebody tell Brailsford!!Atherton wasn't happy that Moseley used a skinsuit, which being much more aerodynamic than loose clothing, would have given her an advantage."Fair enough to Tracy if she wants to do that to win, but for the sport and the longevity of the sport, [b]to wear cool race kit and to make an image for yourself is more important than the odd win here and there[/b]," said Atherton.
no proof beside Fabien's forthcoming honesty
and
he was issued a 5mn penalty
= underwhelming story.
thisisnotaspoon - MemberThe rule is pretty simple, clothes have to be baggy (IIRC the test is a 1" fold in the material at various points)
My skin's looser than that!
Somebody tell Brailsford!!
😆
Good point, but the UCI have outlawed loads of stuff that could make road racers faster haven't they?
There is a greater power at work here, can't you people see this!!!!1!1one!!1!
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wiggins-is-an-alien
http://www.godsebook.org/cycling_part_one_alien_royalty.html
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Isn't that James Butson from http://www.pedals-edinburgh.com/ in Edinburgh?
there is a resemblance now you point it out, separated at birth? Not sure if he is an alien too.
Somebody tell Brailsford!!
****er anyway - next big cheat to be exposed..