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Sorry to jump in but do the manufacturers have a replacement program for dead batteries they seem very expensive to replace, Is there an average time the battery is supposed to last or just the usual 1 year warranty.
Maybe it comes from being a climber – or even from my work – but the sense that you should bring yourself up to the level of the challenge, rather than demand the challenge be made easier for you is pretty much ingrained. If you want to go further, just get fitter. If you want to clean that technical climb – learn to ride your bike better.
So I take it you are running singlespeed fully rigid steep head angle and skinny tyres?
Variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn’t it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles rather than by the artifice of a derailleur? We are getting soft. Give me a fixed gear. – Henri Desgrange first Tour de France organiser
Sorry to jump in but do the manufacturers have a replacement program for dead batteries they seem very expensive to replace, Is there an average time the battery is supposed to last or just the usual 1 year warranty.
its usually quoted in number of recharges until capacity is down to a certain %. I seem to remember is mine is 500 charges. The cells inside are all the same size so companies can recell a battery pack
Ours are now coming up to 4 years old and no sign of deterioration on any yet. The Specialized app shows them as OK. One of them is in the batch that have been recalled and although we were informed the day the recall went out and also a follow up email from the bike shop haven't got round to having it checked and sorted.
It's also nice to be lumped in with been an overweight couch potato that more than likely have no bike skills and a fitness level of 0 that's not bothered about the damage that I'm causing to the trails and the environment.
I'll contemplate what's been said whilst I sip my Gin and tonic and plan how much fun I'm going to have this weekend what ever bike I decide to wobble about on 😉
continuity.
How does ordering cheap tat from China sit with your green credentials...
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-maybe-cheap-knock-off-road-togs/
You're just coming across as a bit of a nob.
The Op just asked for advice on if an ebike was for him.
Not for a lecture on how green or not they are.
“You appear to have got pretty upset and nasty because your choices were questioned. Do you usually do that? Sorry – I don’t see how it was condescending: it wasn’t intended as such – but to question the argument that An e-mountain bike with thick tyres and suspension isn’t a very efficient (or cheap) commuting machine – why did you choose to use that when you could have just used a cheap road bike?”
But that is absolutely not what you said. I’d you’d said that then I wouldn’t have responded as I did. You actually said this:
“That’s awesome mate. Could you have chosen to ride a non e bike to work though? Then you’d be fitter and more able to ride an actual bike in the mountains?”
You didn’t say anything about why am I commuting on a heavy bike with draggy tyres, you said that because I was riding an ebike I would be too unfit to ride an actual bike in the mountains. That’s what annoyed me, because I have perfectly decent fitness (I’m not an XC racer but I’m rarely worried about keeping up on group rides, even when I’m riding my Levo with the power turned off and thus a 20lb handicap). Next time I get to do a Wales uplift/trail centre trip with my mates I’m thinking of taking my hardtail because it was so much fun on really gnarly natural trails in Mallorca.
So why do I commute on my Levo? Or on my Zero AM hardtail? Because the short way in still has about a mile of singletrack descent and a fair few drops and jumps. And the short way home has a drop or two and some uphill singletrack. And the long ways can take in some proper (but short) DH runs with bigger jumps and drops and enough steep/loose/grease to justify the cut spikes I run on the front all year round. Or I can go the even longer way and do more of a singletrack ride. With the Levo I can squeeze two good DH runs into a half hour ride home, which would be impossible without the motor. A road bike or other commuting bike would be much less fun. Also, maybe I’m wrong but I feel a bike with big tyres and big brakes and a dropper post is much safer around stupid car drivers.
“It would certainly have given you the cash to buy both a communting bike and a mountain bike.”
I don’t like road bikes. I have an old Brompton but I only use that when going to London. When I had a shorter commute I did it on a BMX standing up all the way. Now it’s longer I have my two MTBs (which my wife is just about tall enough to ride), my Brompton folded away and bikes for the three kids. That’s all my bike storage space full!
I wonder what the tipping point is for the environmental virtue signalling? Is n+1 alright? Never seen anyone really question that, folks on here with double figure bikes, never seen that get the condescension.
Or is it just the fact that someone can have their cake and eat it, without the virtuous mileage and teeth gritting of an 'actual' biker, ie an ebike.
Where exactly is the line?.....
I’ve owned an e-bike for about eight months now (a RM Altitude, not that it matters) and what I enjoy the most about it is the ability to climb stuff that I have never, ever, successfully climbed in 35 years of riding, other than on a motorcycle. And no, before someone says it, I was never a crap climber - I was always known as much for my climbing abilities as descending.
And now I actively seek out ludicrous climbs and attempt to clean them - that does even more for me than a clean descent, I couldn’t give a monkey’s about speed for its own sake (trials rider, you see).
That’s really why I chose the Altitude - 108Nm torque (as standard) with the possibility of more.
It’s not a 300 TXT, that’s for sure, but if you have the skills you can do some impressive climbing - and that’s even at my age.
I still have a LV 301 and my Hummingbird singlespeed and I still ride and enjoy them both, but climbing the top section of Ballacuberagh (with the Liteville across my back) brought it home to me just how much that pissy little motor is doing when I can ride clean to the top, if I choose my line well - carrying the front over rock steps almost like being on a trials bike, stopping and hopping to sdjust position and then setting off sgain.....
It’s a whole different thing and for me that’s how I justify it. Not to just make things faster/easier but to open up a whole new world - new if you’d never previously done it on a motorcycle at least.
Wait, you're now saying that I can't raise the issue of 1) lithium extraction and 2) electricity production to supplement your ride because China = bad? That's some oddly racist whattaboutism. Would you be happier if it was sold as 'made in the US', having been shipped from China to the US then shipped to you in the UK?
continuity
Do you have shimano parts? Ethically very dubious. How about CF - pollution.
do you own a car and / or have children? Both far more polluting than an ebike.
Just seems odd that someone so obsessed about the huge pollution that EMTB's cause 🤣
thinks its fine to order ten quid tat that they don't need from China/anywhere that far away.
I don't actually care just think it a bit strange.
This is an MTB forum and the OP asked for advice on a bike, you then take that as a que to insult several people.
You're attempt to try and make me out as a racist is also bizarre.
I wonder what the tipping point is for the environmental virtue signalling?
Anyone who owns a car and / or has children has not right to question anyones green credentials as those are the two most polluting things most folk do
Anyone who owns a car and / or has children has not right to question anyones green credentials as those are the two most polluting things most folk do
What about second properties TJ?.
Not a huge source of pollution 0- in fact no extra really. Morals and ethics - thats a differnt question
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*raises hand*
If I could interrupt the bickering for a sec, to ask an ebikey related question.
Removable battery or not..?
I really like the idea of an Orbea Rise or the likes, but they have integrated batteries. Common sense says that an easily removable battery for charging are going to easier to live with? Yes/No ?experiences?
^^^ think that depends on your storage plans for the bike. If it’s being kept somewhere with mains power then not an issue. If however in a garage or shed without power then removable is a plus.
The big issue with non-removable is Winter. You’d need to bring the bike inside to store it
Not sure I like the idea of integrated battery tbh, ease of charge and life of battery gonna be an issue, though I'd like to assume it's possible for an authorised repair centre to replace.
I'd say removable battery for deffo. Wasn't something I was looking for when I bought my rail, however it has a removable battery and I use it all the time.
Removable battery pros;
1. Able to charge away from the bike
2. Able to store in the warm in winter
3. Able to carry a spare battery and swap as desired.
4. Bike is lighter for loading into/onto vehicles.
5. Battery is generally higher capacity.
Cons;
1. Frame will be heavier to compensate for the bloody great hole in it for the battery.
Fixed battery Pros;
1. Bikes are generally lighter, sleeker and more "normal" looking
2. Need to get the bike near the mains for charging
3. More difficult to protect the battery from temperature extremes.
The only one that really matters is the charging.
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Full MemberThe big issue with non-removable is Winter. You’d need to bring the bike inside to store it
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again, depends on storage. We are in a modern house with an integral garage, so power sockets and a temp that never goes below about 5 degrees.
Removable battery is nice to have but not a deal breaker for me.
Garage is warmish and has power so I only remove it if I'm giving it a really good clean and check over.
I do however have a small tube heater type thing that I plug in and put underneath the bike if its been washed.
Seems to do a good job of drying out any damp that can gather in awkward places.
Removable battery on the Turbo Levo's, only time they have been remove on over three years, was to check the battery numbers last month. The Levo SL is integrated but can't see me ever wanting to take it out. Sorted in a dry but unheated garage
Thanks all, ..
Yeah, I think for me it would be one of the key design features i'd look for...Bikes are stored in an external, brick and mortar garage but its colder than a witches tit and damp over winter. The flexibility a removable battery would give, what if you were away, had to leave the bike in the van and charge the battery indoors? amongst others things.
Not a fan of integrated batteries for ebikes, i prefer to be able to remove the battery and clean up and protect the terminals, no matter what, water gets in and corrosion can occur, last thing i want is any issues with thermal runaway or other issues when charging, i just do not like not knowing what condition the internals are in on the bike, but that could be the engineer in me talking!
I also don't like having a fully functioning bike stored, if someone nicks it, then they will need to find the battery, skewers, etc, i aint making it easy for them this time!
1. Frame will be heavier to compensate for the bloody great hole in it for the battery
Tell me about these heavy holes. 🤣
Removable for sure, wouldn't buy a bike with a fixed battery.
Could then fly with it, not that I see that happening for a good few years at present though, and rent a battery at the destination.
Plus I take 2 batteries to bpw for example and can then swap at lunchtime.
Or weekends away at a b&b I can just take the battery to my room to charge.
Also at home I keep the bike in my lounge, doesn't everyone?
daveylad
Free MemberPlus I take 2 batteries to bpw for example and can then swap at lunchtime.
Yeah, i've found the cafe at BPW is pretty expensive as well ;o)
I experienced my first bit of ebike hate yesterday, I was cycling up a fire road somewhere in Grizedale forest and overtook another rider on a normal bike, he said in a fairly negative tone of voice that I should try using my legs.
I don't get why other people care what I ride, they seem to feel threatened by the fact its a ebike.
Never mind, he's in the minority most people are pleasant regardless.
Yeah that sort of comment is pathetic. I’ve not had anything said so directly but have had the odd comment with an undertone of sarcasm or negativity.
Watched a Ben Cathro vid on pinkbike the other day and he used the term ‘wealthy freeloaders’ to describe ebikers (context - it was in a very Ben Cathro tongue in cheek way and i know he uses his e bike quite a bit so it was definitely not sincere!!). But I did think to myself that is a very succinct and accurate description of what the haters actually do think…albeit whether they consciously admit it to themselves or dress it up as some other reason to hate is a different matter!
he said in a fairly negative tone of voice that I should try using my legs.
I would have replied he should have done better at school then he too could afford an ebike.
Never mind, he’s in the minority most people are pleasant regardless.
I think there's always been that sub-group of riders who are overly competitive in normal trail riding situations. The sort that never liked being caught on a climb and would be rude or surly if you did.
Those people should really go racing, because then they could realise they were firmly mid-pack at best and chill out the rest of the time! But they won't, and now they have a new thing to hate / blame.
It's not elitism or being a purist, it's something more Grinch-y, or someone just having their own crap day.
Don’t get much hate at cannock, well you do on Facebook groups etc…but in the trials it’s often “give us a tow” I’ve said before on the fireroad climbs I now do #ecoclimb which is great for the legs. If it’s a singletrack climb I tend to hold back, when I catch up with others I just switch the ebike off and pedal up as normal. I don’t ride at peak traffic times, I tend to go during the week early morning so can ride round without seeing anyone.
Julians.
I'd have just asked him what the **** it had to do with him what bike a was riding that day.
Only ever had one incident with someone being a bellend towards Mrs stu when we were on our eebs.
He seemed to go a bit quiet and not want to discuss it with me.
Bellends will always find something to bitch about.
If I overtake folk on non ebikes I tend to ( in a cheery tone) apologize for cheating. It amuses most folk
he said in a fairly negative tone of voice that I should try using my legs.
I’d have given him a spinning back kick
An overly cheery smile, mibbe tell them to enjoy the climb. Be nice, even if they're bawbags.
'you're doing great' for maximum continuity condenscencion. 😉
‘you’re doing great’ for maximum continuity condenscencion
I like that a lot 🙂
I would have replied he should have done better at school then he too could afford an ebike.
And if he'd done really well at school he'd have been able to afford a car..... isn't that how it goes.
I experienced my first bit of ebike hate yesterday, I was cycling up a fire road somewhere in Grizedale forest and overtook another rider on a normal bike, he said in a fairly negative tone of voice that I should try using my legs.
I can concur that ebike hate is indeed a thing, even though I've never ridden one.
Was doing a swift lap of llandegla a few years ago when I wasn't quite so fat and unfit. On the Z climbs near the end I got this really weird vibe from the group about 100m in front of me. They then stopped and pulled into the side. I was getting these waves of unhappiness but when I thought about it rationally I realised I was talking bollocks. How could I...
Anyway I continued on and eventually passed them. One said to the other:
"Bloody hell, he's not even on an e-bike"
It was only about a minute later that I put 2 and 2 together and worked out what it was all about.
But yes, it must indeed be weird for Ebikers to put up with so much bad feeling.
PS, I appreciate that what I said above was a blatant attempt at a brag. Sorry for that. I'm 2 weeks into a 3 week covid isolation, completely unfit, tired and demotivated. Desperately trying to summon up some oomph and convince myself that I'm not a complete no-hoper before I drive 300 miles for a cycling assessment next weekend.
#SoFarOutOfTheZoneItsNotFunny
“ If I overtake folk on non ebikes I tend to ( in a cheery tone) apologize for cheating. It amuses most folk”
Me too: “I’m on my cheaty bike!”
Conversely, some years ago I was on a group XC ride and a guy who ran an ebike shop turned up. He kept up easily thanks to his motor and then overtook me up a climb as I was struggling with knee pain due to an old injury and shouted “come on Dad!” at me. (I was a new parent at the time and he was about 20 years older than me). It so annoying!
You'll be fine thegeneralist, chin up mate, you've done all the hard work. 💪🏻🙏🏻
‘you’re doing great’ for maximum continuity condenscencion.
you are an evil man! funny tho 🙂