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In simple terms, could someone explain to me the difference in handling of raising the bars through a longer fork vs. raising the bars through running more spacers under the stem please?

Say 140mm travel vs. 120mm travel with an extra 20mm of spacers under the stem (I appreciate that sag might be different at the two travel lengths but I'm ignoring that for now)


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:17 am
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Hi James!

a longer fork will slacken the head angle. The commonly quoted rule-of-thumb is 1-ish degree per inch-ish raised.

this will (roughly), make descending easier, climbing more difficult.

(but we're only talking a small amount here).

a longer fork will also raise the BB a touch, which might help with crank clearance...


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:22 am
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OK thanks but doesn't raising the bars through higher rise/more spacers also make descending easier and climbing harder?


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:24 am
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in my experience, raising the handlebars makes everything more difficult. The only reason i've ever done it is for comfort / fit reasons.

most Dh'ers are now trying everything they can to lower their handlebars...

(internal headsets, flat-bars, top-crown-over-the-stem)


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:27 am
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How will a longer fork slacken the head angle?
or is there is a diff between head angle and headtube angle?

Diff between the two option James questions, is with the spacers, won't it raise the handlebars vertically, therefore height diff between saddle and bars is changed without raising the front of the frame...err is this where head angles rather than head tube angles come in to play? I'm interested, i'm starting to think about frame geomteries these days.


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:29 am
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How will a longer fork slacken the head angle?

As you raise the headtube of the bike from the fork, the bike rotates around the rear wheel as it's axis. Thus the headtube angle gets slacker.


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:38 am
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D'oh. of course. The headtube stays at the same angle to the top tube, but the whole thing rotates around the rear axle. Cheers


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:41 am
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Different question - is there a difference between raising handlebars with spacers or via higher rise bars?


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:48 am
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one is more socially acceptable than the other...

(although if you've got a trimmed to fit steerer-tube, you might not have much choice)


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:50 am
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Just aesthetics Bimbler


 
Posted : 03/06/2009 10:51 am