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My only evidence that I'd cite against Froome is his style - **** me, even I look better on a bike that that !
Yes I certainly don't like watching him. Contador or Nibali are much more fluent. But they don't give style points in bike racing.
Yes I certainly don't like watching him.
From that perspective he was a rubbish replacement for Wiggins for Sky. I know he is successful but how many folk want to be him, have a man crush on him or he is the housewives' favourite for? Aesthetically in every sense of the word he is a marketing damp squib.
And that's before the pretend Brit jibes are made.
Why all this Froome bashing? Maybe an British thing.
I don't recall so many questions when Nibbles won last year. No form all season, a distinctly dodgy DS sending him derogatory letters about the same, then suddenly the TdF supreme form.
Reading Froome's book at the moment. A very driven, but honest person imo. Admits his bike handling skills are cr**. Something for his opponents to work on on the pave me thinks.
Depends a bit on Sky's intentions doesn't it ?From that perspective he was a rubbish replacement for Wiggins for Sky
The team they built was a juggernaut that (tried to) crushed all comers under the power of the train. The stages in that "wiggo" year were made-to-measure for a time-trialler with a powerful team and so it went
If all they want is to say that they won, Froome's (or possibly Bertie, if it wasn't for that pesky declaration he'd have to sign) probably their boy for a more "conventional" tour course. Nobody in Sky's markets is going to cheer harder for Quintana than they do for Froome.
... And anyway, Wiggo [b]was[/b] good box-office as well as that but, honestly, how many Sky boxes would they have shifted on the back of that ?
No he went from literally nowhere, climbing with the grupetto to in a space of 2 years suddenly out climbing the best climbers in the world whilst also being able to out timetrial multiple TT world champions!
That kind of reasoning will kill any enjoyment you have in the sport because its logical conclusion is to doubt any rapid rise through the ranks or stand out performance.
My strategy is to take all results at face value and just enjoy the racing until there's some solid evidence against a rider or team. I'm not aware of any evidence of that nature against Froome or Sky.
I'm not aware of any evidence of that nature against Froome or Sky.
Either Sky are running a very sophisticated doping programme with the risk of losing everything for the sake of a bit of advertising or they are doing it clean.
Bit like Postal 😀
The sad legacy of the sport is we will always doubt good/great/exceptional performers
TBH its not helped with Bertie and his beef and Astana than Nibali rides for
IMHO its highly unlikely the entire peloton and all teams are clean.
Do i believe Froome is clean yes. Would I faint with surprise if he was not . No
It will always be thus with the sport sadly.
part of it is taking team Sky's commitment to be clean, ie not offering anything to Miller, dropping anyone who has the slightest infringement etc. they are setting a bar for clean (I hope) not much about the results says otherwise. None of the crazy breaks and the rest just a lot of hard work. Think most of the guys are sick of the questions from my evening chatting with one of them. It's impossible to prove a negative some days.
I'll say it again. For cycling to become clean (and importantly to have public recognition of this), it requires medals to be stripped if other team members are caught. It's not acceptable that a domestique who is instrumental in your win can be caught doping and the winner gets to keep their medal. Never mind the guilt-by-association of being on a team that dopes. I suppose Hincapie is the obvious example.
For that reason, Wiggo's and Froome's wins do stand taller than most, and any proof of doping would be especially damaging to Team Sky.
Nice bit of training for the Panzerwagen.
Awesome finish, absolutely awesome
Wow! That's racing at its best.
Just caught the last 5 mins. Great result. Not sure about the nipple gesture though 😉
Bloody Hell!
Not sure about the nipple gesture though
🙂 Made me smile that one. But what is it with this pointing thing? Is it the start of a slippery slope? Will one day, someone pull out a mic and start doing a short infomercial?
Cracking race anyway. How close? Personally I like Froomey. A man of heart. And it's always on his sleeve when riding. Always looks in pain. And always gives it some more. Much prefer to see that than some of the poker faces in the peloton.
No he went from literally nowhere, climbing with the grupetto to in a space of 2 years suddenly out climbing the best climbers in the world whilst also being able to out timetrial multiple TT world champions!
Froome had bilharzia which was only diagnosed in 2010 and it took 2 years to return completely negative results.
That was a great final stage of racing, the attack was entirely predictable but brilliantly done although he did profit from Nibali setting the pace for the lower 4km of the climb. Amazing scenery too.
Was nice to see such a good result from Simon Yates getting 2nd on the stage and Stephen Cummings had a top ride being up front for so long too.
ITV4 is doing a fine job on cycling coverage too, Ned Boulting has moved over to commentary with David Millar while Gary Imlach and Chris Boardman do the studio punditry. Not having to listen to Phil Liggett or Hugh Porter is a huge bonus!
That was great - real drama and exciting racing. I like Wiggo as a personality, but Chris Froome is way more exciting to watch. Say what you want about his style on the bike, the way he pushes everyone to breaking point and then steps up a gear and snaps the elastic. It's mesmerising.
Highlights on ITV4 at 2200 tonight.
Timed perfectly, executed with determination.
T'is all you need.
Well done Chris.
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I wonder what Nibali's intentions were in his steamtrain leadout. It's almost as if he wanted to help Froome because Scarponi was clearly never going to win the stage. Or maybe he just wanted to create some drama.
Have Sky changed equipment supplier?
Froome's stem seems much less captivating this year.
Not having to listen to Phil Liggett or Hugh Porter is a huge bonus!
+ LOADS
Do you think when he retired that Jens passed on some ancient German heirloom that makes the holder go for insane breaks. I know Martin's done it before but he's the breakaway kid this weekmrblobby - Member
Nice bit of training for the Panzerwagen.
How does D Millar manage to sound like he's from Bristol?
wasn't his dad RAF, so probably brought up all over and mostly exposed to "averaged" english accents - I suppose if you add that to a scottish base you gets a funny accent, dunnit ?
wasn't his dad RAF, so probably brought up all over and mostly exposed to "averaged" english accents - I suppose if you add that to a scottish base you gets a funny accent, dunnit ?
Yep, RAF and then Cathay in HK. As such, much (most) of his early life would have been around people who spoke with a fairly RP accent.
I don't recall so many questions when Nibbles won last year. No form all season, a distinctly dodgy DS sending him derogatory letters about the same, then suddenly the TdF supreme form.
Lolz, you must have missed every single forum thread about road cycling during and for 3 months after last years Tour.
Amazing win for Froome, heartbreaking for TJvG! Can't wait to see what Yatesy does at the tour! Are the two Yates twins on the same racing program? I wonder if that's why one was on and the other off?
I like Froome, no style points but seems a genuine chap.
Chapeau, great win although a bit gutted for TvG...
I'm always slightly perplexed that people go on about whether they 'like' Froome, or how he looks, as if that's as important, or even more important, than how good he is at riding.
I'm a big fan of Wiggins but Froome can do things Wiggins could never do. And Froome's a great racer. Roll on the Tour.
I'm always slightly perplexed that people go on about whether they 'like' Froome, or how he looks, as if that's as important, or even more important, than how good he is at riding.
I'm always perplexed that people don't understand that this is important. Long gone are the days (if they ever existed) that professional sport had very much to with discovering who is the best at whatever it is they do. It is entertainment for the masses pure and simple and more importantly entertainment paid for by the sponsors who feel being associated with a sport or a specific competitor can enhance their brand identity. A sportsman/woman can be 'liked' equally for their performances, attitude, personality, style or aesthetics. I have no opinion on Froome's ethics(has he ever juiced, does he? etc); appreciate his ability and often his attitude but don't warm to his personality or his aesthetics (in the broadest sense). If a marketing man was wanting to appeal to me, putting Froome in front of me is not going to push a lot of buttons. I won't be alone.
+1 cor what convert said, Wiggins had a great personality and the press conferences were fun.
Same as Josh/Greg & Steve and the syndicate/this is peaty vids actually showing some personality out there rather than reading the script/sponsor spiel for everyone.
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Whoever you support and whatever the outcome, that has to be one of the best races ever. I particularly enjoyed Nibbles playing domestique yesterday. Didn't achieve much but it the others think a bit - loved Valverde's shake of the head.
All a bit tedious and been done to death in many other threads. Can we get back to talking about the racing?
people go on about whether they 'like' Froome
Save that one for the playground at break time 🙄
I haven't noticed anything happening that hasn't been done for 20+ years?
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Not sure about the nipple gesture though
Made me smile that one. But what is it with this pointing thing? Is it the start of a slippery slope? Will one day, someone pull out a mic and start doing a short infomercial?
A sportsman/woman can be 'liked' equally for their performances, attitude, personality, style or aesthetics.
Again, nothing new there. Or maybe it's only new to us because there are now a range of 'Brits' to support.* People supported bike racers simply because of their personalities all the way back. Look at Anquetil v Poulidor, Coppi v Bartali....., and sponsors cashed in on it.
*I've even got a choice of properly local riders to support. Good grief!
Long gone are the days (if they ever existed) that professional sport had very much to with discovering who is the best at whatever it is they do
You really think this?
You think riders are chosen for something other than how good they are at cycling?
I'm all for marketing... but to suggest it comes [i]before[/i] talent is, well, a bit sad. The marketing men really have got right into you 😉
Valverde's shake of the head and gesticulating was one of the best thing of the race for me, brilliant haha!!
You think riders are chosen for something other than how good they are at cycling?
I'd say domestiques are chosen for a mixture of talent and their ability to do what they are told and selflessly work for others.
Team leaders obviously have to be good at riding a bike, but as a team owner you pay a big premium for one with the other attributes too as they are more valuable in a marketing context.
I'm all for marketing... but to suggest it comes before talent is, well, a bit sad. The marketing men really have got right into you
Sad yes, but realistic.I would say my realism means the exact opposite to what you imply - it's the naive that don't realise what they are watching (or more importantly why they are being shown it) that have been sold the marketing line.