[Closed] All day hardcore hardtail?

Stanton slackline
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Rode a demo one the other week and was blown away. Absolutely loved it with 140mm fork. Very capable

Any number of ubiquitous old tiawanese scaffold poles will do the job. Just pick the one with the prettiest stickers

trickydisco that bike is top of my list it looks awesome!

<cough cheeky plug> http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cotic-bfe-19-gritstone <cough cheeky plug> 🙂

Seriously capable ride though and on the sadly limited occasions I got to ride this year, it was more than apable of all dayers, did a couple of 8hrs on it. Sweet at 120mm and silly fun at 140+mm when pointing it at the fun stuff.

done a good few all dayers on my blue pig. Those stantons are lovely though.

Sweet. Bristol based too...

If only I didn't already have a Cotic Soul.

Basically any hardtail will do that. But in the finest traditions of teh internetz I will recommend what I currently own, a Carbon 456. Very light, strong, will take as much fork as you could want, and comfy too. Weirdly not a great climber though despite being so long, but still acceptable.

That Stanton looks fab

Never heard of them before - are they new?

Actually don't bother answering will google it

I test rode one the other week

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/stanton-slackline

bit of a crap write up but the bike did blow me away (have had a spesh enduro with lyriks for a few years)

Transition Trans Am?

Evil Soverign?

Dialled Alpine?

Orange crush? Maybe a dialled 160? Saw one the other week - think thats what it was. Someone will correct me Im sure!

I would second Northwind's post....I've just built up a carbon 456 with fox float 150mm forks and it is excellent. Light enough for seriously fast blasting single track but big enough to ride whatever you want, the 150mm forks just eat up everything, they are so much fun.

I've ridden a xc full suspension bike for the last few years so I think this is an excellent climber in comparison.

The frames are ridiculously cheap even brand new (I picked mine up from ebay for £600 for the frame and forks both were brand new) and you can build it into a 24lb bike for under £2000 easy.

Chromag Samurai with a 140-160mm fork will do the job, Perfect trail geometry they got right about 10 years ago and everyone else has just copied it. Handmade in Canada. In the way of these things, I too have a barely used 17.5 frame for sale.

Bought a crush this year. Climbs reasonably well and turns me into an idiot when I point it down a hill.

Lovely stuff*

*not my words

Surely it's only the slackest of DH bikes that you couldn't realistically ride all day? (OK, trials bikes and unicyles might be a bit of a pain, too)... I've done 13 hour XC rides on my hardtail, I'm sure a short travel FS would have been more comfortable but I made it round without any major problems.

Given that, go for the one with the prettiest stickers. That Stanton looks nice.

do you have any interest in singlespeeding the bike down the line? If so one with flexible dropouts might be a good idea. orange p7 or ns bikes surge?

Chumba HX1, comes with an EBB if you ever decide to singlespeed it.

£299

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Fits your description pretty much bang on. Perfect for all day rides, brilliant at 140mm travel, climbs very well, one of the lightest frames that can do all that (I think), and it looks brilliant.

I ride a Lynskey Ridgeline LT with a Fox Talas fork (110-130-150mm) - ride mainly on the 130mm setting although more often than not end up on 150

Fab bike - best one to date (and I have owned LOTS!). Definitely an all day ride 🙂

I too shall suggest what I ride, an Orange P7, great bike, fun going down hill, fine going up, brilliant in the singletrack.

Got this recently, not touched my full suss since. Its just so much fine and feels "right", maybe not what your after as its 120mm fork but more than adequate.......

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This one:

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Weirdly not a great climber though despite being so long, but still acceptable.

Have to disagree.

1. For a tall chap the C456 isn't that long. (there is little length difference between the 16", 17" and 20")

2. Mine climbs like the proverbial scalded goat, unless all my previously bikes have been totally useless at going uphill. Wotans set at 120mm, that is.

But what would I know.

Very good frame, can't recommend it enough - ditching my full susser as a result of getting one. Just got to get over the horrific looks...

Fair point that, they're all fairly similiar lengths aren't they. Mine is a medium and feels long, not as good a climber as my Soul or Mmmbop or my cheapy Carrera, all of which were fairly similiar in role- fast, but slightly wandery and needs a lot more body work to keep it gripping and pointing on steeps.

But like I say, still perfectly good at it, just not great.

I'm currently hugely impressed with my Ragley Mmmbop. I bought it thinking "meh". I needed something in a hurry after selling a Whyte 19 I was not getting on with anymore.
I'd been wanting to try the Ragley geometry for a while but was unsure of which size - I think the 17" but they have only just started making them. My reasons for the Mmmbop are that they can be bought very cheap, are very light for what they are, the 31.6mm seatpost fits my Reverb, and the 1.5 Headtube would fit my big forks (which I've not fitted). Lots of flexibility for me.
I bought the 18" which is an ungainly looking thing with a high top tube which my knees hit sometimes, but I can live with that for how it rides.
I've built it up strong but light and at 25lbs it's close to what my last XC race bike was... but oh so much more capable. I've got U-turn Revelation forks on and it rides best with them set at 135mm.
It does techy climbs brilliantly and descends with confidence way beyond what such a lightweight bike should.
Shame it looks like sh!te.

Slackline does look sweet.
and they are going to release a TI version. 😛

very similar to my Kobe TI - which is superb fun to ride.

So you're after an over forked cross country bike then?

I'd say the Stanton looks far from ideal. I'd be looking at a Cotic Soul or an On One 456

I can highly recommend the 'over forked cross country bike' option, especially if you like riding singletrack hard, some moderate jumping, doing the odd XC race, contemplating some downhill in the imminent future and maybe a gravity enduro or two. Cotic Soul with an appropriate build FTW.

Just for balance - I got rid of my mmmBop as it was so 'harsh' and couldnt stick if for more than a few hours off road. Went back to a whyte 19 which seems more comfy somehow but with shorter forks.

Dialled Prince Albert with 140mm revelations. Comfy, brilliant handling and looks good too...

what about a on-one 456 carbon, pretty decent 140odd front suspension with a carbon frame which should be forgiving on longer rides.

Or maybe a Cotic soul, can be pretty hardcore from the sounds of them.

Isn't that Chumba a HX2?

Just from looking at the other pics in the album. Nice looking thing whatever it is, if the difference matters.

Ragley Piglet?

Are we still allowed to like Ragley?? 🙂

have to recommend the c456 - i'd forgotten how fun it is to ride a light mtb - especially one with 150mm forks and slack geometry. The stanton looks similar to the steel 456 i had in the sense that it will be lovely for a couple of hours in the woods / on the hill but it's weight will hold it back if you're out all day.

ridden my c456 so far:

all dayer on long mynd - lapped it up - 😀
thrashed in the woods (mendips) - loved it
old school xc ride (mendips again) - excellent!
pump track - whoop! (forks a bit long tbh...)

it's most happy was the long mynd all dayer - i thought i may have got some back pain from the hardtail but it was fine (it's not the rockiest place though) - the light weight for climbing was fab.

I've been running a Genesis Abyss for all round HT duties and it has been mighty fine indeed. (Still not keen on the colour though). I tried a crush for a while, but the Abyss still rides better IMHO.

couldashouldawoulda - Member
Just for balance - I got rid of my mmmBop as it was so 'harsh' and couldnt stick if for more than a few hours off road.

Ah. You'd want a Ti Ragley then

I might want - but my bank manager is mightier!

Stanton Slackline it is, just got to decide on colour and drivetrain set up, 1 x 10 or 2 x 10?

2 x 10?

Maybe this bike is the wrong one for you?

rode the stanton myself the other week and i must admit i was impressed

davidtaylforth what would you recommend then?

rotary how did it feel weight wise?

felt light to me as i normally ride a hustler full sus. it was definately lighter than my Bfe build but i had heavyish forks. Think he said the stanton was around 28 lb (similar build to one in the pic at start of thread).

davidtaylforth what would you recommend then?

Just going by the fact you were considering a dual ring setup. It looks like the sort of bike that you'd never consider using a dual ring setup with. Very short chainstays, short top tubes etc.

Looks like an ideal jump/play/downhill hardtail. But you said you wanted something that would climb well, I'd look at something slightly more xc specific like the Cotic Soul

The Slackline and the BFe are the same weight - not light but not heavy!

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Or the new thing Cy is working on.

23" short TT on an 18" frame?
It looks pretty versatile to me and plenty suitable for a dual ring set up.

The Slackline and the BFe are the same weight - [b]heavy! [/b]

It looks pretty versatile to me and plenty suitable for a dual ring set up.

Yeh maybe, just seems like you're completely missing the point of it building it up with a 2x9 to be good for climbing and all day riding.

Looks like an awesome frame though, I'd have one but not for what the op describes.

Ragley Ti going cheap on CRC right now.

I'd like to get a good look at the slackline Ti for sure.
I have a bad feeling that it's going to be a £1500 job though, which would be a real shame.
None of those ragleys in stock though is there?

Unfortunately not unless you are a giant.

Chumba HX1.

Been riding mine for about 2 weeks now. I'd been riding a p7 for a few years and loved it but just fancied a change, and at 300 quid for a brand new frame I thought I'd risk it. Well, what a difference. It's obviously lighter in the just pick it up and see test. The thing just goes where I point it in a more direct controlled way. It doesnt have any of the harshness you might associate with an alu hardtail either. Looks nice too.

The Slackline and the BFe are the same weight - heavy!

Why don't you recommend something then? Writing negative shite about other peoples bikes is all good and well, but after a while it gets old.
Try something new for a change, you never know people might think you are actually more than a grumpy old **** (insert appropriate smiley)

Very short chainstays, short top tubes etc

Slackline has a 24" virtual top tube, not short for an 18".

Why don't you recommend something then?

Slackline has a 24" virtual top tube, not short for an 18".

I thought it was 23" a minute ago?

Ive just seen some pictures of them and they look like a great jump/play bike, but not one for doing all day rides with lots of climbing involved.

GW - you come over as a complete ****t

rode the stanton myself the other week and i must admit i was impressed

Was it Jon's slackline you rode?

I rode one with 1x9 setup and found it perfect... Just need to find the cash from somewhere and i'm getting one (once the enduro frame is sold).

How did you find it rotary? I thought it was really nimble and amazing downhill

I thought it was 23" a minute ago?

Ive just seen some pictures of them and they look like a great jump/play bike, but not one for doing all day rides with lots of climbing involved

I was thinking of buying one and spoke to Dan Stanton about the sizing. He told me it is 24" virtual. That they haven't change it on the site is a mistake IMO.

I dunno anway, most people on here dont have a ****ing clue. They think a Dialled alpine frame is just the same as one of them Evils cos it hasa seat tube brace.

Regardless, people just buy what looks nice and then tend to sell it soon afterwards cos they realise it isnt quite for them.

you come over as a complete ****t

😆

How the **** do you know if he's hardcore or not GW?
And since when has need had anything to do with riding bikes?
FFS, if you have nothing constructive to add STFU.

i'm sure every frame suggested can be ridden all day, but can deal with the 'sketchy bits' a lot better than your suggestion of an xtc. i have owned an xtc, whilst being nice on flat stuff was very harsh and not much fun on steep stuff. i think your general attitude to other people on this forum is wrong.

And since when has need had anything to do with riding bikes?

needs to be able to climb

Cheap shot DT.

Back in your box Taylforth, you are thinking of buying a tourer! 😛

Back in your box Taylforth, you are thinking of buying a tourer!

😆

i'm sure every frame suggested can be ridden all day, but can deal with the 'sketchy bits' a lot better than your suggestion of an xtc.

i have owned an xtc, whilst being nice on flat stuff was very harsh

and not much fun on steep stuff.

i think your general attitude to other people on this forum is wrong.

you bunch of tarts! 😉

Drooled over those Slacklines for a bit. Looks near enough a perfect mountain bike for me, but just a bit too pricey. Definitely a playful child, but with 10 gears, there'd be something wrong if you couldn't ride it all day. Not like it has square wheels or wah. Get a large and if you don't like i'll swap it for a summer season. ;D

OP, you've a ton of choices on this and they'll [b]all[/b] do what you want. What do you like the look of?

GW 😀

Cotic Soul does seem to be the most appropriate in my opinion, owners say it has a lovely supple ride which helps with the 'all day' part of the OP's requirements....hardcore?....it takes 140mm forks, how much more than that do you need?....any more and you need to go full suspension in my opinion.
Granted its not as slack as some other suggestions on here but do we all really need 65 degree head angles and bikes that ride like Choppers?
I'd also say research the build and find some reviews before purchasing....accepted wisdom is that steel is comfortable, aluminium is harsh and titanium is perfect....problem is titanium is a bugger to work with and there seems to be loads of failures reported on this forum with titanium framed bikes.
Aluminium can produce a nice flexy, springy, steel-like ride if done properly....the seat and chainstays on my aluminium Kona are beautifully narrow and the ride is superb....likewise there are some seriously hardcore steel bikes with virtually no give in them whatsoever and will feel like you're riding a pneumatic drill all day.

Browse the CRC site, they are virtually giving frames away at the moment....find one you like (or priced right) then visit the manufacturers website to check the angles etc...its what i did with the Kona and things have worked out better than i'd hoped....i would post a pic in the 'Beautiful Hardtails' thread but its not niche or single speed and only has 100mm forks so would only get mocked by the STW massive!

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'Heavy' is relative. When a tough steel frame results in a build only 2.5lbs heavier than a very light XC race frame with the same parts then is that heavy? I mean OMG a 'hardcore hardtail' that's 10-20% heavier than a race bike, you'd have to ride it naked and waterless to overcome its immense mass when climbing hills...

I can't even be bothered to address GW's moronic comments regarding appropriate geometry - clearly he's far too good a rider to appreciate the benefit of less steep head angles when you have less perfect skills and are riding testing terrain.

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I use a 456 for the purpose described by the OP.. it has to deal with a lot of steep rocky technical woodland downhill and 1000s of feet of climbing every ride.. it's fairly heavy but I've found that a great way to compensate for that is pedalling harder..

[b]djglover[/b] - Member
Any number of ubiquitous old tiawanese scaffold poles will do the job. Just pick the one with the prettiest stickers

You speak the truth.

pointing out that any hardtail approaching 5.5lb for a bare frame in the smallest size is clearly not "not light, not heavy" but in actual fact heavy?

5.5lb isn't heavy for a steel framed bike - mtfu.

I can't even be bothered to address GW's moronic comments regarding appropriate geometry

- clearly he's far too good a rider to appreciate the benefit of less steep head angles when you have less perfect skills and are riding testing terrain.

I make do with a Kona Five-0 for exactly what you're describing.
Google images suggests it can do this (even if I can't!):

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