Just read this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/15/unionists-orange-order-kerr-funeral

and got me thinking, should an organisation be arguing in favour of segregation, any organisation.

Cup of tea and a Garibaldi, anyone?

( Pulls up chair )

Sorry, Coffe for me, feel free to have a hob nob though

they should be ashamed of themselves, and then banned.

No.

There’s a member (ex member?) on here who’d have all the answers. Gears something – I think he loved them.

Me? I’m just enjoying my jammy dodger and thinking about flying elephants.

There’s a member (ex member?) on here who’d have all the answers. Gears something – I think he loved them.

Arent you confusing the Orange Order with the Freemasons?

Possibly.

Don’t distract me. This jammy dodger is so good it hurts.

Like the BNP/EDL etc I can’t help thinking that people just laughing and pointing at them every time they assemble for a march/demo would do more to harm their cause than being banned.

It’s that old one about toleration, isn’t it? Our fairly liberal laws let us do what we want, until it starts to infringe on someone elses freedom to do what they want.

Wouldn’t a jaffa cake be more appropriate for an orange thread….

I would not ban them as they have such lovely street parties and walks with those lovely bands that surley bring a smile to everyone faces- always seem so happy and inclsuive I am shocked that they are really like this

Maybe, Darc, but then we’re in to the whole cake/biscuit sectarian issue.

They look OK to me

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CaptainFlashheart – Member

Maybe, Darc, but then we’re in to the whole cake/biscuit sectarian issue.

Genius! 😆

Arent you confusing the Orange Order with the Freemasons?

Often happens. Wonder why.

No flashy, the cake/biscuit thing is an ecumenical matter. 🙂

Maybe, Darc, but then we’re in to the whole cake/biscuit sectarian issue.

You’d definitely keep something moist like a Jaffa cake segregated from the likes of a Rich Tea wouldn’t you?

What about a Bath Oliver?

SPLITTERS!

………….. and the Judean People’s Front

certainly until they build something a bit more refined than the Five..

Keep them (and EDL/BNP etc): I’d rather we can publicly identify the nutters so we can keep an eye on them!

I would not ban them as they have such lovely street parties and walks with those lovely bands…

MrsGrahamS, on seeing her first ever Orange march in Glasgow, was very much “Oh a big parade. Let’s go down and watch” till I explained what it was. Bless her.

There was a feature about a young (6yo) Belfast bandsmen on a cbeebies programme the other day..
saying how nice it was to dress up and lead the band and that he loved marching season and hoped his baby brother would join one day too..

I don’t know if they were Orange Order but I still wondered if it was slightly poor taste.. 😕

Like the BNP/EDL etc I can’t help thinking that people just laughing and pointing at them e

Edinburgh Defence League? Be along any minute totally prepared to be laughed and pointed at, I suspect

As tempting as it is, it’s a bit of a first step on a slippery slope, once you’ve banned one bag of sh**es you’ll end up having to ban other s***ebags. And there’s so much s***ebaggery out there we’ll never get anything else done.

Unfortunately, I dont think its going to go away anytime soon on the basis of freedom of speech type argument.

I do think that they cause problems and are distruptive and the majority of the public look upon them with utter distain.

it’s part of their heritage isn’t it? Doesn’t seem to matter if things are good or bad, if it’s someones heritage you can’t touch it.

Heard on the news this week that for the third time since June, a man (not the same man 3 times obviously!) has burned a female family member to death in order to “restore the family honour”. With people thinking like that, what chance is there ??

Bunch of sectarian nutters. Let em march and let the rest of us point and gesticulate.

Arent you confusing the Orange Order with the Freemasons?

Often happens. Wonder why.

The only link between these two is that the RC church effectively banned it’s members from joining an organisation that it had no control over, that is why there are very few RC’s in the Freemasons. But don’t let historical facts get in the way of your views.

And whether you agree with them or not (Coming from the WoS, I’m used to it, but wish it would go away), they are entitled to their views as much as anyone else, and their right to march. Even though I was brought up here, as church of Scotland, I’d love to see the whole **** lot banned – both sides, but it’s just not practical, unless we opt for a totalitarian state.

But don’t let historical facts get in the way of your views.

That’s **** hilarious man.

why should another man’s beliefs be banned?

Ban them I say, being a liberal thinker it’s time that they and anyone else who does not agree with my liberal views was banned.

Freedom of speech includes hearing what you don’t like, even if it does mean that Jaffa Cakes are biscuits.

@ton:

I don’t think anyone is saying that their beliefs should be banned…certainly not me. Abhorrent as I find the Orange Order, I certainly wouldn’t have it banned – let them copy Freemasonry and it’s traditions, language, symbols etc. And dress in orange sashes and parade playing their flutes and the rest of it. They’re welcome to their traditions.

The only thing I had a major problem with for a long time was the triumphalist marches through “catholic/nationalist” areas. Thankfully, the parades commission put a stop to this nonsense.

We all “know” that there are major links between the Orange Order and loyalist paramilitaries and the RUC (as was) was pretty much Orange Order to the core…which was the reason that it frequently tipped off loyalist paramilitaries to the whereabouts of suspected PIRA militants. Again, thankfully, the RUC was disbanded.

we should ask the queen, they march on her behalf….

mmm bourbon (not the american drink obv)

If we banned ordering oranges, after a long time there’d be a lost less 5’s strapped to Audi’s, at trail centres, eventually (There are long term and deep seated resons for single pivot bikes, thwy’re not going to go away overnight).

Might result in Scurvy though.

Dreary me……

No – we’d have to remove March from the calendar 🙄

Doesn’t seem to matter if things are good or bad, if it’s someones heritage you can’t touch it…a man (not the same man 3 times obviously!) has burned a female family member to death in order to “restore the family honour”.

Err – but that is still murder in all forms of British law.

The only thing I had a major problem with for a long time was the triumphalist marches through “catholic/nationalist” areas. Thankfully, the parades commission put a stop to this nonsense

Why? If “freedom of speech includes hearing what you don’t like”, then why doesn’t freedom of association include watching people that you don’t like get together?

“freedom of speech includes hearing what you don’t like”

Except that it doesn’t where hate speech is involved.

Down with this sort of thing!

I’ve just realised, I’m riding a bright orange bike today. Damn.

Perhaps the best approach would be for the entire biking population of Ulster to each buy an Orange Five in that natty green frame colour? Job done.

I thought they were a special needs group with learning difficulties. some of those apprentices are probably over the required age