sbob – Member

So this tory hatred is mainly based on bitter jealousy then?

Nope. Hatred.

I find it amazing that there are so many who will lambast tory politicians for something as simple as attending a privately funded school, when at the same time not noticing (or not minding) dozens of Labour politicians who were afforded the same privilige.

Rubbish – You really would not believe how much I despise Diane Abbott.
Not trusted a Labour poitician since John Smith died.

I’m heartbroken about Blair and his legacy.
It was a once in a lifetime opportunity and he betrayed every single principle he once pretended to believe in.

Nope. Hatred.

Don’t hold back there. Say what you really feel…..

On the other hand, there was [strike]the great gold sell off[/strike] Black Wednesday etc… can’t blame the Eton Trifles for that.

Oh ……

yossarian been visited by the ban-hammer yet? 8)

Grassroots labour supporters aspire to help everyone in society regardless of status.

Grassroots Tory supporters aspire to help people like themselves to be successful.

It isn’t complicated and it hasn’t changed in a generation.

footflaps – Member

Ah, so it was Labour who caused the worldwide financial debt crisis. Thanks for clearing that up, there was general worldwide confusion on that one…..

Are you suggesting that Labour’s financial policies were an improvement?
😕

footflaps – Member

The amazing thing is how no end of Plebs go out their way to defend a party whose sole aim is to exploit/screw over the Plebs for their own financial gain. Turkeys voting for Christmas and all that….

If that statement is correct, then why was I, someone who earned less than average (indeed by the standards of some on here I’d be considered poor!), financially better off under the tory party?

yossarian – Member
Grassroots labour supporters aspire to help everyone in society regardless of status.

Unless they’re a Tory supporter…….?

Are you suggesting that Labour’s financial policies were an improvement?

No, they could have reduced the damage to the UK banks by improving regulation, but the general trend of deregulation was a Thatcher policy which every party since has continued to a a greater or lesser extent. It all went wrong when banks were no longer required to deposit money on demand with the BoE to constrain lending so as to keep a lit on inflation, we had the 80s boom and bust, 90s boom and bust, 00s boom and bust, 10s boom and bust, etc.

Labour are far from perfect, but generally Plebs do better under them than under Tories, which is why I just don’t get why so many Plebs line up in their millions to support a bunch of Toffs whose only use for a Pleb is to use one to wipe their arse with.

If that statement is correct, then why was I, someone who earned less than average (indeed by the standards of some on here I’d be considered poor!), financially better off under the tory party?

Benefit cheat? Tax dodger? Sex slave?

financially better off under the tory party?

How do you know you actually are / were? As you could have been even better off had the other party been in charge. Unconstrained lending / economic expansion lines everyone’s pockets and makes us all feel rich. Problem is when the bubble bursts what happens? Millions of plebs lose their jobs, houses, have benefits cut, whilst the rich get richer. You might be lucky and survive a recession without losing your job, but millions didn’t.

What has he done which is so tittish?

Privatising the NHS.
Disproportionate cutting of council budgets in the more deprived local authority areas versus the Tory-led councils in the south-east.
Getting rid of Legal Aid.
Allowing the banks – who were a major cause of the mess we’re in – to get away with doing f*** all to recompense the country for their misdemeanours.
Changing the housing benefits system which will mean single people under 35 will have difficulty getting a place of their own, as well as promoting the social cleansing of parts of London.
Giving the richest people tax breaks.
Not providing any stimulus for business or the economy.
etc.
etc.
etc.

jota180 – Member

The utter bastards, I never knew that

I see you selectively edited my post and changed the premise “attended a private school” to “attended one very specific private school” because you are ill equipped to reply without moving the goalposts.

Thanks for that, I now know to file your replies under W, forthwith.
😉

i) Don’t forget – this is noting to do with proper coppers, it was all about DPG (doors, porches and gates)

ii) Its only the chippy reverse snob class warriors and layabout wasters who have a real problem with what the Tories are doing, everyone else thinks the public sector has got fat and bloated at the expense of the rest of us, and that people who won’t take a job that they think is beneath them can go and F themselves

iii) If Cameron is Jesus Christ – that means Maggie was the Blessed Virgin Mary 😀

iv)

Zulu-Eleven – Member

i) Don’t forget – this is noting to do with proper coppers, it was all about DPG (doors, porches and gates)

So ‘proper’ coppers never lie or fabricate evidence?
History would seem to be against you.

everyone else thinks the public sector has got fat and bloated at the expense of the rest of us,

You mean that’s what the Daily Mail told you….

😉

So ‘proper’ coppers never lie or fabricate evidence?

Not against white english people.

A large pubic sector, like the large Military establishment in the US, is the perfect economic buffer against free market boom and busts. It allows the government to borrow and spend to counter the dips in the private sector. The US have a smaller public sector, but a massive military spend, which performs the same role as our public sector.

Take that all away and the boom and busts are just magnified…..

Yay look who’s come out from under his bridge with more devastating political insight!

The sole reason the Tory’s exist is to protect the interests of a narrow elite, at the expense of the rest of us. Pure and simple.

Like the latest ‘settlement’ for local councils. For the northern cities – yet more crippling cuts. For the Tory voting, rich, leafy shires – no cuts at all.

We could possibly live with this if, as they take it out on the poorest in society ie: the disabled, they could at least try and pretend they weren’t enjoying it so much!

If that statement is correct, then why was I, someone who earned less than average (indeed by the standards of some on here I’d be considered poor!), financially better off under the tory party?

You’re not. Its that simple. For a start, the rise in VAT is essentially an income tax rise of 2.5%, except a pure income tax rise would hit everyone. A VAT rise disproportionately impacts on the poorest, hardest. While the top 10% of earners have their tax reduced. We’re all in it together though. Honest

footflaps – Member

Labour are far from perfect, but generally Plebs do better under them than under Tories, which is why I just don’t get why so many Plebs line up in their millions to support a bunch of Toffs whose only use for a Pleb is to use one to wipe their arse with.

Depends how you define “plebs” (you do realise some would find that term quite offensive?).

If you define “plebs” as the lower earners, then you are completely wrong and have fallen for the big labour fallacy.
If you define “plebs” as those that don’t earn, then yes, they are better off under labour, know this, and vote for them.
Look at the Scottish and Welsh Labour strongholds and then have a look to see how many of their voters are claiming dole or on the sick.

What’s that?
Way, way above the national average!
Quel surprise! 😆

(Sarcasm so binners feels at home)

Just how “narrow” is this elite exactly?

32.4% narrow? or are they all christmas-loving turkeys?

The sole reason the Tory’s exist is to protect the interests of a narrow elite, at the expense of the rest of us. Pure and simple.

Would that be the narrow elite who pay the majority of the tax?

Which sort of undermines the at the expense of the rest of us jibe doesn’t is 🙄

Sbob – Did you read all that in a Sun editorial?

How anyone who isn’t in the top 10% bracket can come to the conclusion that they’re better off, would suggest you’re what the Tory’s view as a ‘useful idiot’. Voting for them despite it being clearly against your interest to do so. As pointed out – Turkeys voting for christmas

Z-11. As usual you’re selective, and/or dodgily sourced statistics are meaningless

Would that be the narrow elite who pay the majority of the tax?

majority of INCOME tax.

binners – Member

You’re not. Its that simple.

No, I really was.
This is comparing how financially well off I was at the end of the conservative party’s last term in office, to the beginning of Labours.

Not comparing parties from decades apart.

Labour did put up income tax, they just called it something else.

Depends how you define “plebs”

Personally I define it as anyone who has to work for a living rather than having inherited / married into money.

This is comparing how financially well off I was at the end of the conservative party’s last term in office, to the beginning of Labours.

Do you define ‘how financially well off’ as just gross / net pay or weigh on all the benefits from society – state of NHS, roads, pensions, crime, schools etc.

Eg you might get a 5% pay rise, but you local schools get a 20% funding cut to pay for it. Tories would chose that, Labour would chose the other way round….

Sbob – Did you read all that in a Sun editorial?

How anyone who isn’t in the top 10% bracket can come to the conclusion that they’re better off, would suggest you’re what the Tory’s view as a ‘useful idiot’. Voting for them despite it being clearly against your interest to do so. As pointed out – Turkeys voting for christmas

It’s a simple fact that I was better off.
The fact that you have to resort to ad hominem means that I can now comfortably file your posts with jota’s. 🙂

Labour did put up income tax, they just called it something else.

Really? Examples please? Any how it compares to the tories gift of a 2.5% VAT rise, That’s clearly made you that bit richer?

It’s a simple fact that I was better off.

Well as long as you’re ok, thats ok then. And, in a nutshell, you sum up perfectly your Tory philosophy 🙄

Z-11. As usual you’re selective, and/or dodgily sourced statistics are meaningless

C’mon then Binners – which group pays the vast majority of tax, the ones that the Tories are looking after, or the ones that Labour are looking after?

its a fairly simple question!

In ultimate amounts… the richest pay the most, obviously. As they have vastly more to tax, as our society becomes more and more polarised.

As a proportion of income? …. well that’s a different matter altogether, isn’t it?

In ultimate amounts… the richest pay the most, obviously. As they have vastly more to tax, as our society becomes more and more polarised.

But its an accepted fact that the gap between rich and poor grew actually under labour, correct?

OK, regardless, now imagine if the evil Tory voters weren’t paying all that lovely tax money, where would your beloved public services be then?

Ever heard of killing the goose that laid the golden egg?

That not really the point is it? The point is that, as a proportion of income (which lets face it, is the only ‘real’ benchmark) the poorest in society are being deliberately targeted to pay more, while those at the top are asked to contribute less and less

Eg you might get a 5% pay rise, but you local schools get a 20% funding cut to pay for it.

you miss the point that changing tax rates isn’t giving pay rises/ cuts, it’s just changing the amount of your money the givernment takes away, unless of course all your income is in benefits from the state

Tories would chose that, Labour would chose the other way round both….

FIFY 😉

That not really the point is it? The point is that, as a proportion of income (which lets face it, is the only ‘real’ benchmark) the poorest in society are being deliberately targeted to pay more, while those at the top are asked to contribute less and less

significantly more low paid people now don’t pay income tax on their earnings than did under Labour

And lets not forget Gordon getting rid of the 10% tax rate, shall we!

binners – Member

Well as long as you’re ok, thats ok then. And, in a nutshell, you sum up perfectly your Tory philosophy

But I’m one of those people that was meant to be better off under Labour, according to the anti-Tory lobby!

You can use your imagination to insert the turbo belm photo here.

significantly more low paid people now don’t pay income tax on their earnings than did under Labour

is that because there’s now more significantly low paid people?

footflaps – Member

Do you define ‘how financially well off’ as just gross / net pay or weigh on all the benefits from society – state of NHS, roads, pensions, crime, schools etc.

Eg you might get a 5% pay rise, but you local schools get a 20% funding cut to pay for it. Tories would chose that, Labour would chose the other way round….

Like Labours famous education for all policy?

http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/9180/14-09-2001/scrap-fees-restore-the-grant

There are none so blind…