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  • Nurseries- a RANT
  • philconsequence
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    hora
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    9 months. Just going through/ticking off all the germs.

    convert
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    This issue of time off at short notice for kid related shizzle is no different to covering sick leave. Identify where the likely problems are going to be and ensure you’ve got the appropriate emergency cover in place.

    It’s forseeable and only down to the management if there’s no cover.

    Well obviously it’s foreseeable, and the larger the organisation to some extent the easier it is to have cover in place. A good school/company and committed colleagues will make sure the gap is papered over.

    But I’m really talking brass tax here. Covering cost money – who pays? Covering at the last minute can put a lot of pressure on colleagues – is that fair? Having a child is a choice thing and comes with lots of responsibilities, and just maybe one of those responsibilities is to your colleagues and employer who give you the freedom to be a great parent. Can sometimes be a bit of a one way taking street in my experience.

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    iain1775
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    no one has asked the age of siad nipper?
    can nursery put him on the phone to talk to daddy before dashing over to find nothing wrong?

    iain1775
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    no one has asked the age of said nipper?
    can nursery put him on the phone to talk to daddy before dashing over to find nothing wrong?

    iain1775
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    cancel that post overtook me!

    hora
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    Who pays future taxes that covers the wealthy state for the elderly later on convert?

    wwaswas
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    9 months

    so you’re not expecting him to be whizzing up and down the road on his push bike scrounging off the neighbours quite yet then?

    If you don’t trust the nursery why do you leave your child with them at all?

    If you do trust them why are you complaining that they’ve phoned you?

    vinnyeh
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    Who pays future taxes that covers the wealthy state for the elderly later on convert?

    I like this. Not sure what it means though. 🙂

    Junkyard
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    Having a child is a choice thing and comes with lots of responsibilities, and just maybe one of those responsibilities is to your colleagues and employer who give you the freedom to be a great parent. Can sometimes be a bit of a one way taking street in my experience.

    Yes my child is ill but I cant let my colleagues down and thanks work and colleagues for enabling me to be a great parent – what every parent thinks when faced with an ill child and weighing up what matter more.
    I have done things for colleagues in the past with kids – including work Xmas day – and now I return that favour such is life- to al lbut the very sad your family matter more

    mastiles_fanylion
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    My wife has just picked one of our girls from ‘nursery’ (grandparents) as she had a raging temperature, rapid breathing, quiet and listless. She is just going to the doctors with her now and I have my fingers crossed it isn’t the same thing she narrowly missed a couple of weeks ago but her twin sister came down with – she ended up in hospital for two nights on IV anti-biotics.

    Put simply – if they have concerns they have to give you, as the parents, the responsibility to decide what to do with your children – just the same as my mother-in-law did a few hours ago.

    yossarian
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    Having a child is a choice thing and comes with lots of responsibilities, and just maybe one of those responsibilities is to your colleagues and employer who give you the freedom to be a great parent. Can sometimes be a bit of a one way taking street in my experience.

    But isn’t that true about people in general on a range of issues in the workplace? I NEVER ask permission to go early or take time where my boys are concerned – I tell my boss that’s what I’m doing and tell him I’ll take it as leave. Most of the time he ‘forgets’ to tell hr that I’ve been off co’s he knows I’ll make the time up (was in at 4.30am with the estates blokes shovelling snow a week or two back for example)

    hora
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    MF if its a temperature thats different.

    Stop hyperventilating folks. Hes going to be falling off bikes and breaking bones before hes 10.

    wwaswas
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    Stop hyperventilating folks.

    You started it 😉

    Junkyard
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    Hes going to be falling off bikes and breaking bones before hes 10

    Only if he is yours 😉

    yossarian
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    Lol

    chinocchio
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    We’ve just taken our daughter out of her first nursery, she was only in for a couple of weeks but my partner got a nagging feeling that things weren’t right, just didn’t seem like a very personal (or professional) service which we felt it should be.

    We’re moving her to a childminder who can only ever care for a maximum of four children and we’re hoping for a more personal experience from that.

    Had you considered a childminder over a nursery hora?

    convert
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    But isn’t that true about people in general on a range of issues in the workplace? I NEVER ask permission to go early or take time where my boys are concerned – I tell my boss that’s what I’m doing and tell him I’ll take it as leave. Most of the time he ‘forgets’ to tell hr that I’ve been off co’s he knows I’ll make the time up (was in at 4.30am with the estates blokes shovelling snow a week or two back for example)

    I guess this was the point of my first post on the subject. Some people(like you by the sounds of it) are lucky to be in jobs where you can take leave here and there or make time up and if you are not there your in tray just gets bigger but the world keeps spinning. A flexible approach to work from employer and employee and provided no one takes the piss everything is great. There are other jobs (teaching one of them) where if you are missing there is a genuine hole that has to be filled and that will either cost money or colleague goodwill. Should colleagues who either don’t have kids or who have got emergency measures in place (grandparents on call in this case) take the heat for you? Should the employer pay out to cover you being missing or should the parent? No answer or opinion as such, just interested what others think.

    hora
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    Good idea. I’ll raise that with mrshora as well.

    maxray
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    Evidently you are just being trollsome Hora, if you dont care then why rant.. oh right I see 🙄

    ScottChegg
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    Who from STW is going to ring Mrs Hora?

    “Hora’s not himself.”

    “Thank Chuff for that; bring him home”

    mastiles_fanylion
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    FFS – fingers crossing didn’t work – my wife now en-route to the hospital with suspected pneumonia…

    wwaswas
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    m_f – my thoughts are with you. (I’d say prayers but I’m an atheist…)

    FunkyDunc
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    Mastiles – has her GP sent her there? She will get excellent care if she goes to Harrogate after 7:30 (when Mrs FD starts her shift)

    fatmax
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    I can see Hora’s point to be honest.
    We’re lucky – we have a great nursery with great staff. Very sensible and pragmatic. A sniffle, snotty nose, little bit under the weather etc, and they will still take them and give them more tlc than normal. Obviously if they are proper poorly they don’t go/come straight home, and we have to be flexible with work. And they have been fab during the snow – working hard to keep the nursery open as many hours as possible.
    Brother-in-laws nursery – the merest hint of a sniffle, pimple, runny snot and they get asked to pick them up asap. And they have to miss days and day of work.

    TimP
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    Good luck M_F. Hope it all turns out OK

    cb
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    Jesus, what a load of sanctimonious rubbish!

    He said the child was crying not turning blue! If the staff can’t distract a child “that isn’t feeling themselves” then they aren’t doing their jobs. We’ve had this in the past when we’ve been called because one of ours “has a bit of a sniffle” – well WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT CAME FROM!!?

    If they really think a child is ill they shouldn’t mince their words. Most parents will then drop whatever they are doing and go and collect their offspring because they know a problem exists.

    nonk
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    well WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT CAME FROM!!?

    what on earth is your point here?

    mrsflash
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    hope she’s ok mastiles.

    mamadirt
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    I know my ideals are probably way out of date with most on here but I believe that an infant’s place is with its mother – that’s my prerogative and I don’t intend to get into any arguments about it.

    I work in a nursery/playgroup providing funded morning-session pre-school education and would not expect to have to accept an ill child, possibly requiring one to one care, into our group on school premises to enable his/her parents to fulfil their seemingly separate commitments. Parents (or other named contacts) are immediately notified in the event of any illness/accident and collect their child as soon as they are able – in the meantime, the child is cared for sympathetically both by staff and his/her peers (valuable social education 😉 ). There have, of course, been occasions when we have been presented with an obviously poorly child at the gates and when suggesting that maybe the child would be happier at home, we’ve been met with the reply “But I have to go to work” 🙄

    Ever felt really cr@p, rough, hung-over, depressed, ill, scared even? Wished you could stay at home? Yeah, I know, most of us will battle through, go to work, fulfil those commitments . . . a young child has no commitments only reliance.

    nonk
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    I know my ideals are probably way out of date with most on here but I believe that an infant’s place is with its mother

    your spot on in my view,i am a stay at home dad but even i have to admit that it would be better if it was mum.

    the teachers at our school say it is obvious which kids have a parent at home.

    not everyone can do it though.

    good thought’s and my best wishes sent your way MF.

    aracer
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    I believe that an infant’s place is with its mother

    Sexist

    i am a stay at home dad but even i have to admit that it would be better if it was mum.

    Why?

    mamadirt
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    not everyone can do it though.

    No, I appreciate that Nonk – I’ve no wish/right to judge and as I said my ideals are just that – a personal opinion based on my own circumstances.

    i am a stay at home dad

    Enjoy!! Papadirt was able to be quite involved with helping out at school, etc, etc, as he worked shifts and has some lovely memories of our boys’ early years as a result.

    aracer – Member

    I believe that an infant’s place is with its mother

    Sexist

    Sorry, aracer. In order to be politically correct I shall try to edit my post to read ‘primary carer’ 😉 (blinkin’ jargon 🙄 ). Forgive me – I’m old 😆

    nonk
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    aracer

    well i guess that there are times when i just feel mum would do a better job usually when i have just lost my temper.

    igm
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    I believe that an infant’s place is with its mother

    Well each to their own, but our little boy finishes nursery in two days time (off to school full time after Christmas) having been there 3 days a week since 8 months.

    We’ve had the odd tearful day but generally over almost four years he has been very happy to go and very happy to see us in the evening – as soon as he could run he would run in.

    Our school teacher friends tell us they can tell whose been to nursery because they socialise better and learn faster at school – to begin with anyway.

    Personal view is that there is no right answer; all children and nurseries are different; generalisations are dangerous.

    Hora – lean to live with (love even) having to run around after your children; ‘cos you’re going to have to for a bit.

    nonk
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    thats a good point igm.

    ours did an afternoon in nursery twice a week from one year old.

    you dont want em to clingy do ya.

    mamadirt
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    Couldn’t agree more igm and nonk – toddlers learn valuable lessons when socialising away from their mothers primary carers 😉 but I still believe that a primary carer is exactly that, especially if the child is unwell.

    Hope everything works out OK, MF – best wishes to Mrs MF for a very speedy recovery.

    djglover
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    I believe that an infant’s place is with its mother

    I think this, however my wife is working 3 days a week and the twins seem to love nursery. We make every effort to collect them early and we are routinely the earliest collectors getting there for 4:45-5 if we can. Luckily our respective managers are very flexible. my wife also took 6 months unpaid leave after maternity so they didn’t have to go into nursery as babies. It’s worked out well, but I’d never like to be in a position where I was dropping a 9 month old baby off 5 days a week 8-6 as some people do.

    orange
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    and i thought this was going to be a rant about some manc garden nursery

    i’ll never understand why people have children, then ship them off to nursery FT (don’t know if spawnofhora is FT though) when they are still babies

    B@rney
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    This is genius hora. The rumours are in fact proven to be true.

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