Happened to my mate a few weeks back. In my opinion its a weld failure but Kona have “investigated” and said that its not warrantable.
Not bad for a 3 week old frame!!
I think he was basically told “these things happen”, whats in for the rest of us then!!
If it was the welds that failed, then this is not meant to happen!!!
Some may have already seen this as I posted a few weeks back, but pulled it so that it would not interfier with the dealings with Kona. So feel free to have a look at a brand new frame!
I don’t really see how it was a weld failure as the tt and dt clearly bent before the welds failed…and bent tubes generally means the frame has hit a force that was too big for it!
Suck it up I’m afraid. You’vbe not said how it broke.
Yeah, Scottish SXC race. I think he has given up with them as all they were offering was crash replacement.
Edit – Bought from the states so adds a bit more hassle to it. I disagree with that, I think the welds failed then the top tube bend as it was then a crumpled mess.
I’m not quite sure what happened but it was not a big impact. He got pitched over the bars and the frame was in bits when he got back up. Think it was a route he hit wrongly on a steepish bit.
But you have to think, the tubes can only bend if the are not attached to the seat tube…. If not they would have only snapped. So the weld really has to have failed for the tube to bend down the way.
So the weld really has to have failed for the tube to bend down the way.
No it doesn’t. That’s not bent DOWN, it’s bent BACKWARDS from the head tube, by leverage from the fork. Would you like to see a frame I broke in just the same manner?
That’s been hit hard enough to bend both tubes (Like mine was) and then carry on and rip the welds off.
NO WAY did the welds fail first.
finbar – Presumably since i was on a steep bit it would be unclear if the bike was the right way up after the weld snapped hence if the weld went the bike could have landed any side up causing the two tubes to ben like that.
who’s legal system would that fall under? Ordering from the states to the uk?
If it’s the UK, small claims court, get your money back, job done. But did he pay tax when he imported it, could be difficult to explain if he dodged it………..
If its the US, write a polite letter mentioning a twinge in your neck that wont go away and expect multiples of the bies value.
Peter – did you damage the parts on your bike, funny how tyre, wheel, fork are perfectly fine. Wheel still true. To me they should be damaged to warrant that type of frame failure
finbar – Presumably since i was on a steep bit it would be unclear if the bike was the right way up after the weld snapped hence if the weld went the bike could have landed any side up causing the two tubes to ben like that.
Well, i wasn’t there but like PP says i would imagine the only way to get enough leverage to bend the tubes like that would be to wallop the front wheel/fork. If the bike was upside down or back to front or something then there’s no reason for the tubes to have bent in that location at all, even if the welds had failed.
they were 28 spoke 1500 gram wheels also …. The bike litterally colapsed under the guy and he was thrown over the bars ! so possible the tubes bent when the bike was upside down. It also recieved quite a bit of manipulation to get it in the back of the pick up that took him off the hill to A&E
I think the bike just objected to having a classic Reynolds roadie tubeset number (531) and tried to shake it off. How did rider 853 get on? Did he die?
I would be astonished if either of those tubes bent after it snapped. I can’t see where the bending forces would come from then.
peter you rode into a car …. this guy rode over roots !
No, he didn’t RIDE over them, did he?
(I’ve been pitched over the bars by a root on a shallow slope just after a tiny (6in ?) step. The root was pointing toward me and must have been 2-3 inches long. I have a chunk missing from my nostril to prove that one….)
🙂
Exactly the same situation. Made worse by the fact it’s a lightweight alloy race frame which is more brittle/snappable than my steel frame which was stronger and bendier
🙂
hence if the weld went the bike could have landed any side up causing the two tubes to ben like that.
No way would the impact of the bike alone be enough to bend both tubes like that.
funny how tyre, wheel, fork are perfectly fine. Wheel still true
Frame took all the force – seen it many times.
It’s a light racing frame, you pay your money and you take your choice. Interesting lesson in warranty, sounds like money off a new frame is a decent offer in the circumstances.
Just had a discussion with a guy I work with. Digging out some old uni notes!
I am now going back on my original statement! (ashamed now!) Look at the bending forces the welds would not have failed first. They probably failed because they were not designed to be pulled downwards. So i now think its not the welds that went first.
However I still think its not fit for purpose. No one will really no the extent of the impact but I doubt it was much bigger than any of us come across on a weekly ride. So I think Kona may want to look at tehre tubing and strength issues around that area!
Bikes should not snap from a trail mishap. Riding into a car then maybe so!
To my untrained eye it certainly looks like failure after a frontal impact – and it is quite possible for the fork and wheel to be strong enough to take that impact while the frame doesn’t. the question surely is “Is the frame fit for purpose” ie strong enough to take the loads you would expect of a mountainbike and was the frame made properly.
Someone with the right skills should be able to tell from the welds if they have been done properly. It does look to me like like the sequense of events is
Frontal impact
tubes bend
welds fail
States were cheaper for frame than UK hence buying there, so whatever the percentage off for crash replacemnt will be off RRP. Prob will still be over price he paid for it. Not worth it.
Someone with the right skills should be able to tell from the welds if they have been done properly. It does look to me like like the sequense of events is
Frontal impact
tubes bend
welds fail
For those that don’t know I rode into a parked car. Same effect as this crash. Bike comes to dead stop, rider over bars. Something a lot smaller than a car can have you over the bars, even the right sized dip in the floor can do it.
IDENTICAL method of frame failure to the Kona above: As the wheel/forks are pushed backwards they have a LOT of leverage on the head tube which buckles the tubes upwards (My TT was pulled apart on it’s upper surface too) Carry on like this a bit more and, hey presto, the frame looks like the Kona above and the welds are ripped apart. I’ll hazzard a guess that the Kona is tougher round the head tube (Gussets, bigger tubing?) than at the DT/BB and TT/ST welds, hence that’s why those gave out first.
There is NO WAY ON EARTH the welds failed first. If they had, the tubes would still be straight
weld went the bike could have landed any side up causing the two tubes to ben like that.
There is no way you could bend those tubes like that without BIG leverage, especially BOTH of them!
It’s crash damage. Get over it. Suck it up. MTFU. Get the chequebook out. Stop making excuses. End of story.
States were cheaper for frame than UK hence buying there”
Nope its cause there wasnt 1 left in the uk in his size to buy ….. he phoned every dealer on the paligap list ….was offered a 2007 one at RRP mind ….