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57 posts & 29 voices | Started 2 years ago by dmiller | Latest reply from mastiles_fanylion

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mastiles_fanylion - Member

Don't get me wrong - he is clearly very intelligent (public schoolboy and all that) and that came across well, but to say what he did was a bit insulting to a fellow musician - he said something like 'when I first heard Iron Maiden I thought the musicianship was great , but I thought the singer was rubbish and thought I could do better'. Now that might (technically) be the case, but to say that in an interview was a bit knobbish IMO.

Which is a shame because I have always thought him a nice guy (and he rates my mate's band - he has played them lots on his Radio 6 show ).

Posted 2 years ago #
mikey74 - Member

'when I first heard Iron Maiden I thought the musicianship was great , but I thought the singer was rubbish and thought I could do better'. Now that might (technically) be the case, but to say that in an interview was a bit knobbish IMO.

I don't believe that was quite the quote, I remember it as him saying "I loved the music but I thought it should have been me up there singing instead", ok it may ultimately mean the same thing but that kind of confidence is what you need to make it as a singer, and perhaps make it at anything in life.

I have nothing but respect for Iron Maiden and Bruce Dickinson and they are one of the few bands that make me feel like a giggly kid again.

By the way, Bruce is actually a commercial airline pilot when he isn't touring and I have heard that they actually have to fit their tours around his flying schedule.

Posted 2 years ago #
Bunnyhop - Member

Not only is Bruce Dickinson a pilot, he is a commercial airline pilot with Astraeus ( or was, the airline may have gone bump), as we flew with them a few years ago. At the time he was also a D.J. at radio 2, I like him alot

Posted 2 years ago #
mikey74 - Member

A friend of mine used to fly with him regularly (he's a pilot too) and they became quite good friends. Bruce invited him to concerts quite often and they watched from the side of the stage.

Posted 2 years ago #
nbt - Member

I watched the Heavy Metal Britannia program last night, it was ace. Half way through Flight 66 on IPlayer and still have the Maiden Live concert to watch too, a televisual feast to savour. Iron Maiden was the second gig I ever went to, I think, Seventh Tour of a Seventh Tour at the Manchester apollo, age 16, with Killer Dwarfs supporting. ACE gig

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

ok it may ultimately mean the same thing but that kind of confidence is what you need to make it as a singer, and perhaps make it at anything in life.

My point being is that there are times and places to say this sort of stuff and I think he scored an own-goal by saying it like he did in an interview.

And I still think that Iron Maiden and Killers blow all subsequent Maiden albums out of the water (with the possible exception of NOTB which is as good, but no better). IMO.

And I didn't realise that his pilot's licence made him somehow better or something. Lots of people have them you know! My best mate's brother in law has one - wow!

Posted 2 years ago #
mikey74 - Member

And my point was that he didn't say it the way you described it. The way he actually said it was no where near as critical as you are making out.

No one said having a pilots license was a big deal: The point is that to hold a commercial airline pilots job, front one of the biggest bands in the world, present radio programmes, write books, present tv programmes all takes alot of energy and talent and not a small amount of confidence.

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

And my point was that he didn't say it the way you described it.

You don't agree that he came across as being arrogant then?

Don't get me wrong - I have always had a lot of time for him (and have stated this in the thread) but admiring someone doesn't mean you do not have a right to be critical when they say something stupid. And in *my opinion* he said something stupid. I am not the only one (there are plenty of people on here who agree with me on this) that thinks that Paul Dianno-era Maiden were superior. And I say that as someone who cut his metal teeth on Dickinson-era Maiden.

Posted 2 years ago #
mikey74 - Member

No I don't agree that he came across as arrogant. Confident and sure of what he wanted, but that is not the same as arrogant.

I also don't see the link between him apparently being arrogant and a few people preferring the Di'anno era.

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

Fair enough if you don't, we can all have our opinions can't we?

The link being that he said he heard them and thought the singer was rubbish and that he could do better.

But many people don't think he did better.

Posted 2 years ago #
Scienceofficer - Member

I think he did vastly better. That Di'anno geezer didn't have much of a voice at all.

Posted 2 years ago #
littlegirlbunny - Member

Di'Anno = awesome

Don't think too much of that guy that came after him though...

...sorry!

Posted 2 years ago #
mudshark - Member

I think in the world of rock and pop stars Bruce comes across as a relatively good bloke - as does the rest of the band for that matter.

Posted 2 years ago #
Lord Summerisle - Member

Bruce has said the same thing for years - he went to see maiden, and he thought he wanted to be the front man - hence why he went on to join Samson to get him out there.

Plus some of paul's performances could be a little hit n miss, so it could well have been Bruce saw em on a bad night for Paul

Posted 2 years ago #
albino - Member

Di'anno was great for the early Maiden stuff but they'd never have got as far as they have without Bruce. Paul has admitted as much himself. Paul's also a top bloke, (my sis used to house share with him), although he does have a reputation for over exaggerating the past and is known somewhat affectionatley as "Paul Di'other one"!

Anyway - very happy to see Maiden doing well in recent years. IMHO all sparked when Bruce & Adrian rejoined for Brave New World - awesome song writing combination.

As for Flight 666 - I could watch it over and over...so many goosebump moments! Up the Irons!

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

I think in the world of rock and pop stars Bruce comes across as a relatively good bloke

Absolutely I agree with that and said the same myself....

Which is a shame because I have always thought him a nice guy

I just don't know why he said what he did - it is simply insulting to a fellow performer. A performer who many believe was better than Dickinson ever has been - if not for technical excellence, at least for style and character.

Posted 2 years ago #
votchy - Member

I believe his statement was along the lines of he saw maiden and looked at the singer (Di'anno) and thought to himself I want to be that guy. Anyway, aside from that it seems that Bruce has an enormous amount of energy, must be quite tiring piloting that plane as well as gigging, did like the road crews choruses of 'You're sh1t, and you know you are' every time one of the flight crew dropped a clanger

My formative music years started early 80's, first gig was Maiden at Birmingham Odeon on the NOTB tour, seen them half a dozen times but not for over 10 years, been listening to them a lot since watching this programme and just ordered several CD's of albums that have long since departed. Still have my blood red vinyl copy of NOTB though

Posted 2 years ago #
mudshark - Member

I just watched the heavy metal program which I think is what you are refering to where Bruce said what he said about being the lead singer. IMO he's very much meaning to say that that's what he should be doing with his life rather than saying that he'd be better than Paul. So I think you misunderstood what he was getting at.

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

Weren't the words along the lines of 'the music was great but I thought the singer was bad and that I could do better'

Perhaps I misunderstood what he was trying to say, but that was how it came across to me - conceited.

Which is a shame.

Posted 2 years ago #
Scienceofficer - Member

That comment could just as easily be described as being objective. Perhaps you're just a sensitive flower?

Posted 2 years ago #
franki - Member

I loved the live footage.
Good to see that they still can put on a great show and there's no lacking in energy!
As a fan of Maiden in their heyday, I find it difficult to accept that Janek bloke as part of the band.

I was a big fan up until Seventh Son but kind of lost interest a bit(in metal generally, ) around that time.
Saw them at the Birmingham Odeon in the 80s - my first ever concert. Happy days.

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

Perhaps you're just a sensitive flower

But I like metal. So I guess that means I am then - we are all closet softies.

Posted 2 years ago #