Here is my point. I've noticed over the years that the STW massive is on the whole a particularly partisan, secular lot. Many threads dealing with Christianity don't tend to go in favour of Christianity.

Nick Griffin is openly critical of Islam in the same way that many of you are openly critical of Christianity. So does that not mean that many of you agree with his views of Islam or is it just Christianity that you will be openly hostile towards?

I ask the question as a way of trying to highlight the rank hypocrisy that we the people tend to display. I personally think all religion is a bit cooky at best and a terrifying display of temporary insanity at worst.

I think more indicative of this forum's closeness to the BNP were the suggestions yesterday that the govt.'s handling of immigration was so wrong that it had allowed the BNP to gain a foothold.

Just because I don't agree with Christianity does not mean that I want to forcibly repatriate or murder Christians….so no.

Any you're a troll..and not even a good one!

SSP

I have big issues with the BNP and Nick Griffin but one thing he said about this country being overcrowded did ring true.

What a load of cock, please close this thread

I certainly do agree with him. 100%

i think stw is critical of the more extreme elements of christianity/ religion. nick griffin is critical of the extreme elements of islam but passes it off as all muslims.

in reality i realise that a lot of muslims are a lot more moderate, just as i am a catholic – by birth only.

there are elements of the qur'an which are strange and probably do not agree with modern morals but theres loads of nonsense in the bible.

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I have big issues with the BNP and Nick Griffin but one thing he said about this country being overcrowded did ring true.

By "this country" I assume you mean England?

England, UK, Great Britain…

I judge the person that stands before me not Race, creed, colour, relegion

I do some what agree what trailmonkey has high lighted

Damn damn and damn on the edit function!

this country being overcrowded

I think this is a bit of a red herring. As pointed out above, large areas of parts of the UK are certainly not overcrowded! Also the increasing dependency on the car produces bottlenecks in lots of places. For me that is not necessarily a sign of overcrowding, more that our infrastructure cannot cope with that trend.

Rich Penny
Think you need to come and spend time in the East End of London

Does anybody know what his view on roadies is?

think he said that if they come to power, all roadies, born in this country or not, would be repatriated to france
so hes got my vote

Whatever we think on here- no one is every going to listen to it. For that reason I particularly hate hookers who overcharge on bank holidays.

my point perfectly illustrated by Bushwacked's first comment.

Ed2001 – Member
What a load of cock, please close this thread

Oh gawd, who let the Chinese Government have a logon?

LOL Hora Mines not the Blonde on the Corner
Roadies did not know BNP was a Band 😆

no, i think all religions are stupid

Grantway, are you saying that the East End of London is overcrowded, so therefore, so is the rest of the UK?

Too many people is too many people; Their ethnic origin is wholly irrelevant. I don't believe there is any such thing as the English race, this country is founded on immigrants. My ethnic background is Irish, welsh and French – what does that make me? Well, English I think. That I'm white, pink, black, yellow… so what?

My personal opinion is that the current uproar over immigration is just the latest in the media's campaign to undermine the Government. Sure, its an issue, but just one amongst many. However, i think the media have recognised that it is an issue that stirs emotion, and so it has been given prime time slots. Furthermore, the other Political parties have recognised this, and are basically jumping on the band-wagon. i'm afraid it is Bush Politic, whereby fear is generated to pre-empt dubious government policy, attract media publicity, and undermine the opposition.

Watching Question Time I'm no longer worried about the BNP – if that's their political heavyweight – Nick Griffin, then we're all gonna be ok. What an absolute buffoon!

Ever notice how socialists bang on about peoples rights then when they reach a position of power they enrich themselves, take away peoples religions and cleanse?

Look at the group outside the BBC- I bet that rentamob also demonstrates at many other 'causes' including climate, missiles etc. Professional workshy's. They'll smoke their weed and then go home and pick up their 'professional Giro' as beliefs are a fulltime business. Tossers.

Don't get me wrong, if I met Nick Griffin none of his fat bouncers would stop me landing a punch. Thats a promise.

Nope Mildred I simply say that he should come and see what
its like where I am.

Politics is full of people saying what they think should be heard to please the masses – shame they run the country.

Now I wouldn't vote for the BNP but you sort of have to admire them having opinions even though so many disagree – very rare in politics.

Conservatives are the new new labour, New labour were the erm…. New labour some time ago.

i think hora is correct, as always.

Ed2001 – not everyone who holds a dissenting view to your own is a troll.

My point is this:

You can't fight the politics of hate with hate. That will only bolster their support by generating sympathy from those who might not otherwise offer it. This is happening already simply because like it or not, there are groups of people who feel that the current political climate alienates them. That group is white, working to middle class English, maybe more likely to be male but not exclusively.

Every time you use hate to fight the BNP, you only serve to highlight that groups' sense of alienation because you create diametrically opposed arguments; in essence, the BNP's far right message is countered with one that is regarded as being far left/liberal and in doing that, you get people thinking.

You have to address the reason why people are being switched on to the BNP and you cannot do that whilst you're still on a political rant.

You think Griffin is a buffoon? You could not be more wrong – he got onto Question Time for crying out loud; the guy was educated at Cambridge and has a degree in law. This is exactly what happened in Germany in the 1930s; the political elite regarded Hitler as a silly little man, while the people, with genuine grievances, listened to what he had to say.

We have to fight and beat this guy on political grounds which means listening to what he has to say and to what the people who voted for him have to say.

We ignore them at our peril.

ah i am anti christian therefore I am pro BNP. That is a fantistic piece of logic used there…. did it take you all night to make that great leap?
I think what the anti – religion stance shows is that we are anti people believing in things that are manifestly untrue/unsupported by evidence/utter b0llocks. This also applies to the BNP and their world view.

Pi55 poor trolling. I might as well say that all singlespeeders are BNP supporters. My tenous reason is that they both want to return to the eary 20th century – one where we this country was all white the other where we had no gears. Faultleess eh?

Hora "Ever notice how socialists bang on about peoples rights then when they reach a position of power they enrich themselves, take away peoples religions and cleanse?"

I guess we'll find out if we ever have a socialist party in power 🙂 Think you'll struggle to find a genuinely socialist party reducing religious freedoms. Ironically the most socialist government America ever had also pulled them out of the great depression, while their more capitalist, "little government" opponents managed to lengthen it by opposing them.

"Look at the group outside the BBC- I bet that rentamob also demonstrates at many other 'causes' including climate, missiles etc."

I imagine some of them do. You're allowed to hold more than one strong belief you know.

Good points regarding Griffin geetee1972

geetee1972, out of all the post's this week, regardig griffin, bnp, speed bumps, yours is the one that makes the most common sense.
spot on mate.

We have to fight and beat this guy on political grounds which means listening to what he has to say and to what the people who voted for him have to say.

I agree but would we be able to have this level of dissent if a Nazi was in power? They would remove all the rights he is using at the minute if they got into power. He has the right to free speech and to exercise this. However we do have to oppose these people before they get to power as after will be to late.
As you note the history of all fascists in power, it is one of eradicating all enemies, banning political parties, free speech, freedom of the press dissent etc.

The reaction may help him amongst his supporters but they also peak in a recession and then reduce in good times.
Britain in not very radiacal politically and a bit [small c] conservative.

You always have to watch out for the underdog! They can surprise you when you least expect it

ah i am anti christian therefore I am pro BNP. That is a fantistic piece of logic used there…. did it take you all night to make that great leap?

Junkyard – forgive me that's not what I meant. I was simply highlighting how, unless we're careful, our thoughts and ideas can end up aligning with an otherwise political pariah. This is what i meant by the politics of hate.

yep not with Northwinds by-products

just as i am a catholic – by birth only.

I've got news for you, and it may come as a shock. You weren't "born" a catholic

Many of the critiscisms I have of christianity probably are true of islam, judaism and most other religions. I only really know any in depth information about christianity (catholiscism) as I had a religious education up to a point.

But, just because I think their belief in god is misguided doesn't make me dislike them. Both my parents are regular church goers. Most people are harmless and the religion is just something they do. There are a small selection of nutters who take it too far but if we abolished religion they would still be nutters and would just direct their efforts through some other cause.

This is much the same way as some car drivers are dangerous idiots but just because you're a car driver doesn't make you a dangerous idiot. After all most of us on here drive cars and only some of us are idiots.

As for deporting people, I think he's wrong. I think the location of your birth has no bearing on how much of good person you are. I would still rather have someone who had the motivation and aptitude to get half way round the world and risk their life to get here than someone who was born here and is just a drain on society because they are too feckless to get a job.

Bushwacked – Member

England, UK, Great Britain…

Which? these are three different entities.

The BNP bang on about the indiginous English tribes. what about the Scots, Irish, welsh?

Geeteee – you are an ignorant plonker.

The BNP is racist, they deny the holocaust, agree with the Ku Klux Klan

The are Nazis

Look at the group outside the BBC- I bet that rentamob also demonstrates at many other 'causes' including climate, missiles etc. Professional workshy's. They'll smoke their weed and then go home and pick up their 'professional Giro' as beliefs are a fulltime business. Tossers.

Well I'm sure there are many other people like yourself who make broad generalisations about protesters, some of them probably are a mixture of what you said. But by dismissing the protesters, the issue tends to get dismissed at the same time.

Perhaps more people like yourself should have been there just to make the protest look more legitimate for those watching on TV…so where were you? That's right, ranting about it from the comfort of your PC.

As for deporting people, I think he's wrong. I think the location of your birth has no bearing on how much of good person you are.

Can you imagine if they ever got to power and tried to implement their Racial policies in a country that has allowed waves of immigration over decades, even centuries? It would end only one way: Civil war.

15 years back I walked through the Gas chamber and suffocation chamber of Aushwitz then 2 miles onto Birkenau concentration camp and to look out at what is left of the camp
And you get these mindless T-wats telling me it never happpened

Be carful he is no fool

Slightly OT here, but why does religion and race always have to go hand in hand?

When Anton off Stricly said his partner looked like a 'P*k*', there were people calling for an apology to all Muslims for the insult. Why was that? I totally agree the 'P' word is unacceptable, but what the hell's it got to do with religion?

With regards Nick Griffin, I was completely confused by what he trying to say. Does he say (in general) that he wants an indiginous England, or a Christian England – or both? Both are completely pointless positions to aim for.

It's much too late to worry about the current mix of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to the UK, but I accept we can (and should) be tighter with regards immigration from here on in. Those who are already here are ours now, and we should work hard to integrate those who work hard to integrate themselves.

I do get quite pissed off when I drive around certain parts of the UK and see dedicated Polish street signs or multi-language signs in provincial local hospitals – it's an admission of failure and no incentive to fully integrate in my opinion.

I don't have time for deeply racist pricks like NG, but as the OP suggests I imagine there will be many people in the UK (most likely 50+ in age – please don't call me ageist) who like *some* of what he has to say. The other parties will have to listen more as a consequence…