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395 posts & 63 voices | Started 2 years ago by rightplacerighttime | Latest reply from Muddy@rseTony

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rightplacerighttime - Member

OK, so I'm having a hard time convincing the likes of epicyclo that Climate change is happening, largely because the discussion turns into an endless discussion about whether scientists can be trusted or whether computer models really work.

There also seems to be a view that until climate change is made "simple" for people to understand that it won't be taken seriously.

So, I found this presentation that actually lets you see some of the physical evidence regarding retreating glaciers for yourselves.

Extreme Ice Survey

Posted 2 years ago #
IanMunro - Member

I got bored after 5 seconds, what happened in the other 20 minutes?

Posted 2 years ago #
rightplacerighttime - Member

Your children died

Posted 2 years ago #
IanMunro - Member

I don't have any, which is doing far more for saving the planet than the odd light bulb

Posted 2 years ago #
CaptJon - Member

1. There is a big difference between climate change and global warming
2. Only lunatics don't think the climate is changing
3. The debate is about a) why, b) will places get hotter or colder and c) how much will in change?
4. Ice breaks off ice sheets all the time
5. 70% of TED presentations are too smug and earnest to watch

Posted 2 years ago #
rightplacerighttime - Member

OK, my children died. Would you like to make a joke about that?

Posted 2 years ago #
rightplacerighttime - Member

CaptJon,

Have you watched the presentation?

Posted 2 years ago #
MountainMutant - Member

Does this mean I wont have to drive as far to the coast?

That will reduce my carbon footprint

Posted 2 years ago #
nonk - Member

thanks for posting that man really enjoyed that.
.4 captjon tired one chap.
i have kids i dont stress to much about it.if they are going to cop it because of this in the next 30 years then its going to happen. no point spending the rest of our lives together crying about it.

Posted 2 years ago #
GrahamS - Member

Lasted four minutes.

And I'm already a believer!

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

is it in a sentence though

Posted 2 years ago #
uplink - Member

OK, my children died. Would you like to make a joke about that?

fairly typical bit of scaremongering melodrama there - well done

Posted 2 years ago #
NagsNog - Inactive

If you think all the children are going to die due to this it seems an odd choice to have them.....

Posted 2 years ago #
nonk - Member

whats this choice thing you speak of?

Posted 2 years ago #
5thElefant - Member

Ironically if you didn't have children it wouldn't happen.

Posted 2 years ago #
IanMunro - Member

OK, my children died. Would you like to make a joke about that?

No way, you destroying the planet isn't a laughing matter.

Posted 2 years ago #
clubber - Member

Yeah, poor tack for your argument there rightplacerighttime. while I absolutely agree about "climate change" (not "warming" - deemed too confusing for the simple minded who can't understand that it'll lead to some places getting colder), hysterical comments about killing your children only make it easy to sideline you as hysterical and evangelist.

It's the same with capitalisation protests, critical mass and so on - while they are typically predominantly populated by crusties or people regarded by the majority as "different from them", it's too easy to dismiss them. The only way to get the message across is in ways that keep you firmly in line with the masses - eg "one of us"

Posted 2 years ago #
Smee - Blocked

So most of the landbound ice is melting - big deal. It melting will dilute the salinity of the oceans, slow the gulf stream and the balance will be restored.

Nobody is debating that the climate is changing - what people are debating is what's causing it. You being such an expert you should know that.

Posted 2 years ago #
nonk - Member

tucs hat under arm and claps enthusiastically at clubber.

Posted 2 years ago #
nonk - Member

yes goan but if that happens inners will have to shut.

Posted 2 years ago #
clubber - Member

ithankyouverymuch

Posted 2 years ago #
Smee - Blocked

nonk - no great loss there.

Posted 2 years ago #
HoratioHufnagel - Member

Max Planck: "a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

Posted 2 years ago #
bruneep - Member

I thought we were still coming out of the Ice Age?

Posted 2 years ago #
midgebait - Member

rightplacerighttime, the hysterics don't help matters!

bruneep, so?

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

big deal. It melting will dilute the salinity of the oceans, slow the gulf stream and the balance will be restored.

go on break the habit of these threads and post up a reputable reference

You know what happens here when the gulf stream , which is the North atlantic drift when it reaches us , Stops arriving.
It will hardly balance out or current temperature will it.
It reduces temperature globally- you realise the melted water is cold dont you?
Why would the temperature regulation of the Ocean converyor system changing or stopping not affect climate? - Can you reference that one from anywhere? Are you claiming it would balance global warming - the thing you dont think is happening now? At least try and stay consistent in your denial. Again can you reference that for me?

Posted 2 years ago #
MisterCrud - Member

The gulf stream drift periodically turns on and off.
When it next turns off (and it will stay off for millenia) we will have the climate of Alaska, bearing in mind that New York is on the same latitude as Portugal.

Posted 2 years ago #
rightplacerighttime - Member

Clubber,

I wasn't being hysterical. I was just responding in a way that I thought was proportional to Ian's flippant remark.

And with regard to the "simple" thing, if you'd read a couple of the other climate change threads recently you'd have seen that epicyclo had been asking for just that - "simple" evidence that would demonstrate climate change without the waffle and scientific argument.

Also, if people like me don't make a noise about it, just when do you think the masses will be won over to the idea that climate change is important?

Goan said

So most of the landbound ice is melting - big deal. It melting will dilute the salinity of the oceans, slow the gulf stream and the balance will be restored.

The "big deal" is that it will also put most coastal towns, regions like East Anglia and countries like Bangladesh under water.

And quite what will happen if the gulf stream stops isn't something I want to find out.

Posted 2 years ago #
fwokinfwok - Member

News Flash - Earth heats up and cools down, the same as it has been doing for the last few million years or so. Things change, species become extinct. World keeps turning, habitants keep evolving.
There's a lot of people getting rich off all this bollocks. You can't change nature

Posted 2 years ago #
rightplacerighttime - Member

Clubber,

Did you actually watch the presentation BTW?

Posted 2 years ago #
rightplacerighttime - Member

fwokinfwok,

Did you watch it?

Posted 2 years ago #
IanMunro - Member

Unfortunately having children in a western economy is about the most catastrophic thing you can do on the list of human factors for climate change. Making a noise about it is pretty pointless once you've made that decision.

Posted 2 years ago #
jimmy - Member

Jeeeeeeeeesus

Posted 2 years ago #
thepurist - Member

So, some parts of the world will become uninhabitable while others become habitable. If we can forecast that now, where's all the contingency planning for relocation of people, control of population growth, development of farming techniques, sustainability of the future population etc. Or is that not such a politically good thing to do as to get all our heads of state to make some wholesome sounding agreement that may or may not actually make a difference to the rate of change of climate.

Posted 2 years ago #
Junkyard - Member

You can't change nature

What is polution and greenhouse gases if not changing nature?
No one s claiming we will kill all life in the planet yes an new equilbrium willbe established bu there will be huge consequences for this.
Everyone knows the climate fluctuates over time as wel...what you need to do is explain why the actions of humans has no effect on this natural proces particualirly the [geologically /climactically speaking] fast release of all the stored carbon via the burning of fossil fuels and associated polution.
We can and we are changing nature that us the point.

Posted 2 years ago #