Roight 'may' huh. Family are you or not (not I bet)...typical media trolling again me thinks..
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fare-dodger-insists-did-ticket-122745692.html
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Fare-Dodger 'may' take legal action......
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if those marks on his face were from being ejected then I hope he does!
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This guys story has changed more times than i can remember over the past few days. First he had no ticket and no money, then he had money in his bag, then he was sold two incorrect tickets, then he was diabetic, then he was half asleep and drunk on the train. none of it adds up - give us a break.
I actually feel sorry for "big man." he acted in the heat of the moment and now he is in the spotlight and his Christmas is ruined because this guys dad wants him charged. i'll bet that smug wee prick is lying too and will quietly be chuckling to himself about it.
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dont get me wrong - I think that people should stand up and take reasonable steps against scrotes but IF the big guy's actions resulted in those marks (which were pretty bad) then its not defensible.
if my son came back like that and told me that story, I'd tell him on one hand that he was a complete idiot and deserved to be removed from the train but would press for charges as the reponse was not proportionate to the offence.
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TBH considering the Conductor was only doing his job and his age I'd have slapped my son round the head for his attitude and swearing (without provocation).
He seemed 'spoilt'? Maybe explains his Dads comments.
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Regardless of his crime (details of which seem to keep changing), he is probably perfectly entitled to press assault charges.
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I reckon the case will get thrown out of court... by a big man.
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if my son came back like that and told me that story, I'd tell him on one hand that he was a complete idiot and deserved to be removed from the train but would press for charges as the reponse was not proportionate to the offence.
If my son came back and told that story I'd give him a couple of whisky's, drag him face down across the patio, then call the papers with a story.
When someone says they 'may take legal action' isn't that code for 'we know we don't really have a leg to stand on, but if you pay us a wee bit of cash we'll go away and keep quiet, save you the publicity'?
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He would appear to have a fair old mark...Still a nob. Scotrail should ban him from using their services because of the way he talks to their staff.
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i thought the marks looked remarkably fresh considering it took place on dec 9th.....
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vinnyeh I came to that conclusion on your last para'.
Theres also the situation that the Father didn't actually say anything of the sort and the press have just made it up/or twisted it.
The lad was lucky. I bet if the train was held up for longer and other passengers asked why there is a fair chance he'd have received a more physical response.
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the "big guy" was doing OK IMO til he threw him onto the platform - not looking great after that
where is the pic of his face ?
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yes very fresh injuries, but hopefully the big man will be arrested, and locked up for assault, the young jolly scamp will get compensation and justice will be done, and we will all sleep soundly knowing that next time we dont want to pay for a ticket, we can shout our mouth off swear at the conductor, and get away with whatever we like.
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I hope that any time a fellow passenger decides he doesn't like me he can't just assault me and get away with it*
* this is devil's advocate, to illustrate why members of the public are NOT ALLOWED to take the law into their own hands, no matter how righteous we think we are.
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I think he should take legal action against the conductor for having the audacity to ask to see his ticket.
In fact, he should take the train operator to court for inconveniencing him while he was sitting there enjoying his free journey.
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I wonder if the train operator could take him to court for fare evasion???
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My first thought when i saw the original video was that the Big Man would get into trouble for this.
If it had been me i would have asked the bloke to stop filming before i removed the scrote from the train. I have no problem with him being forceably removed, it's the only way these arrogant abusive kids seem to understand. If if had been my son in the video i'd be marching him down to the ticket inspector to apologise for his behaviour.
The bloke who took the video had his 15 minutes on BBC1 breakfast as well didn't he? And it's now potentially caused a big problem to a man who was only trying to allow fellow passengers the chance to continue their journey. Ahh, the Youtube generation.....
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Agree. The only other solution would be to call the British Transport Police and everyone waits.
I imagine the lad would have had a wee bit more trouble if this was the case/had happened.
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This can't be an uncommon incident (someone fare dodging) but the conductor didn't seem to know how to handle it properly at all. Reminded me the "PC Stout" video. Irritating members of the public are pretty common but they should be dealt with professionally.
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yeah, i'll bet big man wishes that happened now (the BTP turning up that is)
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Shame big man threw him off the train, his actions were closer to excusable prior to that.
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I've been delayed for a long time waiting at the station for BTP to show up, its bloody annoying and if I'd ended up missing connections because of it, I'd be even more annoyed. If the kid didnt want to get thrown out he should of got off or made a better attempt at proving he had a ticket rather than shouting or swearing... would prosecuting the big man for assault be in the public interest? I think not...
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Nah I reckon the big man wishes he'd given him a proper slap. If he's gonna get done anyway he might as well get done for actually doing something
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whatnobeer - Member
would prosecuting the big man for assault be in the public interest? I think not...Just as long as these good willed citizens don't get stabbed or whatever?
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the "big guy" was doing OK IMO til he threw him onto the platform
The wee arse was fighting to get back on the train so the big guy put him on the deck.
Personally I'd have thrown him under the train.
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can't seem to see a picture of the kids face....?
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No pics but you can see it in the various video interviews with him.
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Just as long as these good willed citizens don't get stabbed or whatever?
I'm sure he did a proper risk assessment before taking any action
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This is an interesting case in many ways. As much as (most) people would support the Big Man and would want him to act in that way if they were on the train, there is a simple fact that he (probably) did assault the guy in the end. Whether he used "reasonable force" and was authorised to do so as Z11 pointed out will be up to the courts.
In the end, I hope common sense prevails but expect that both may get charged. Let's hope the fare dodger doesn't get away with it, but the Big Man gets in trouble. I can see it happening though.
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Alternatively if sense prevails the police will have a quiet word with both of them
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Alternatively if sense prevails the police will have a quiet word with both of them
my preferred outcome too. can one of the big hitters make it so?
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Alternatively if sense prevails the police will have a quiet word with both of them
They probably have but the media are feeding us all manner of bullshit now - don't let anything get in the way of a good story...Posted 5 months ago # -
Alternatively if justice prevails the scrote will get run over by a train.
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lets be honest, the reasonable course of action, one which ive witnessed many times is "no ticket? wont pay? well then transport police will be waiting for you at the next station"
you only have to read some of the crap coming out of peoples keyboards on STW to realise that the general public are in no way qualified to act as judge and jury.Posted 5 months ago #
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