more bad news

British exporters have been put on notice that they could lose billions of pounds worth of business after almost two-thirds of EU businesses who work with UK suppliers warned they expect to use more firms inside the single market after Brexit.

The Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply (CIPS) said 63% of the EU companies surveyed last month said they planned to move some of their supply chain out of the UK as a result of the decision to leave the single market and customs union. The results represent a large increase on a survey in May, when 44% of EU businesses said they were preparing to switch.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/06/eu-firms-warn-of-deserting-uk-suppliers-after-brexit

And before we get there links on previous it nobody in the world actually trades purely on WTO terms

We have a x-party consensus to respect the vote, to negotiate a FTA with Europe to ensure on-going access to the single market and to agree to a transition period

Sorry for the inconvenient facts.

It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial 😉 ?!?! But that does seem rather rude to say so!!

We have a x-party consensus to respect the vote

“Had” certainly, not sure I’d be quite so sure about “have”.
And “respect” isn’t exactly the same as “comply with” either.
Brexit is currently going roughly as expected, as those charged with doing it realise just how difficult it is and find reasons to scrap with each other.
However I respect your opinion, even though I wonder if it is part of the past not part of the future. Time will, of course, tell.

As an aside, has Patel been sacked yet, and if not why not?

Well if labour are about to flip flop then we shall see but so far it’s clear re voting patterns and behaviour what the two major political parties intend.

No one is suggesting that this is easy. It obviously isn’t. But hysterical reactions and constant lies don’t make it easier. On the contrary….

Actually it was supposed to be the easiest trade deal in history.

THM – nowt hysterical here. Quite amused by the whole Brexy shambles. The Tories are starting to flip flop as well as Labour of course.
And voting patterns? Well if you will assume the the past is a guide to the future, I suppose one must agree with you. I think things are less certain.

Why is Patel still here? Is it because they can’t afford to fire her?

It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial ?!?! But that does seem rather rude to say so!!

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

I know that it’s clear that you have found a niche where brexit will benefit you personally. However, don’t be so naive as to believe it impossible that as the implications of brexit dawn ever stronger on the population as a whole that it becomes politically expedient to change tack.

Impact assessments are being released today aren’t they?

zokes – I’m not sure THM has found a beneficial niche, my suspicion is the clarity / certainty has a clue to him (professionally that is) even if that clarity is about the degree of uncertainty. And fair enough.
I know that I deal with uncertainty better than many, it’s what makes me valuable at work, but I can certainly see that having some clearly defined knowns is useful in planning for the future (which is one of the things THM does)
I’ve just realised that I’ve been referring to THM as male all along, but I don’t actually think I know whether THM is male or female. I think male. But I’m not sure.
Not a linear thinker me. You’ve probably noticed. Hence mindmaps not lists. Can’t do lists – too restrictive.

Can’t do lists – too restrictive.

I know how you feel. Currently trying to write a particularly convoluted review that does not lend itself well to a linear progression of ideas. Pity it can’t be in electronic form as hyperlinks would solve that problem. Ho hum.

Maybe our elected representatives ought to think long and hard about Edmund Burke’s 1774 speech and what their responsibilities are to the country as a whole. Unless of course this was all carefully planned.

salad_dodger – Member
Impact assessments are being released today aren’t they?

Redacted versions, can’t let everyone know how much May promised Nissan etc..
So Davis busy with his permanent marker, meanwhile.
Patel lasts another day, Green hides behind a curtain in shame, Leadsom tries to remember who told her what & when , Fallon decides it’s Congnac Tuesday, while Johnson desperately rings Iran and begs them not to believe what he said & increase Zaghari-Ratcliffes sentence….

Gosh Brexit done a grand job of settling Tory divisions

Zokes be careful with using words like I know, when it is obvious that you do not know

I have no beneficial niche. On the contrary Brexshit is bad for me, my firm and also for Europe. But that is misses the poInt. It’s happening, so you prepare for it. We are very well prepared for it, but it will still hurt. Tant pis!! Life’s not fair

As I said before deal with what is in front of you not what you wish is in front oy you.

IGM is correct that like many, my chief concern in uncertainty not the facts itself. Once we know the details we can execute the plans. While we do not we remain in strategic limbo. No one wants that

Meanwhile – chlorinated chicken still on the menu:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/06/trump-ross-says-uk-us-trade-deal-eu-brexit-chlorinated-chicken

Want to choose not to eat it? Tough:

Geographic indicators on food products, […] are also “key impediments” to expanded trade

It’s happening, so you prepare for it.

I’d say, on current form, nothing’s set in stone. I appreciate the sentiment but it’s mental to blindly accept we’re going to march off the cliff face before someone says “hang on a minute – is this actually the best course of action?”.

Politico.eu obviously reading my posts here

In his morning London Playbook email, Politico Europe’s Jack Blanchard explains why Theresa May may have decided that the prospect of going ahead with this morning’s cabinet is just too ghastly.

Theresa May will chair a meeting of her Cabinet this morning. It may not be the happiest of gatherings. Sitting around the table will be:

— Her first secretary of state, Damian Green, who is under investigation by the Cabinet Office over allegations, which he denies, that he made unwanted advances towards a young Tory activist and had “extreme” pornography on an office computer.

— Her foreign secretary, Boris Johnson, whose latest verbal blunder could see a British citizen spend a further five years in jail in Iran.

— Her chancellor, Philip Hammond, who she planned to sack five months ago and with whom she reportedly can hardly bear to share a room.

— Her new defense secretary, Gavin Williamson, whose promotion from chief whip last week following the resignation of her disgraced ally Michael Fallon sparked more fury among her parliamentary party than any Cabinet appointment in recent memory.

— Her Commons leader, Andrea Leadsom, who is accused in today’s Mail and Telegraph of failing to act on a rape claim by a Tory aide, and by some of her own colleagues of ending Fallon’s career in order to save her own. She too denies all the charges.

— Her international development secretary, Priti Patel, who went behind her back to hold secret talks with a string of senior Israeli politicians and a Tory donor — and then tried to mislead the press when she got found out.

— Her party chairman, Patrick McLoughlin, whom most of her party want fired for his handling of both the disastrous general election and last month’s conference security fiasco

“Strong and Stable” seems like a long time ago 🙂

Wonder what today’s canceled Cabinet meeting would’ve looked like…..

May – right here we are, let’s just get this over with, first of all phones away, I want no distraction.

Johnson– hang on a minute Im on hold with the Iranian ministry of justice,

May– Fine, Priti both phones please, wait are you texting someone?, Is that Netanyahu?

Patel– ermm no it’s my travel agent, just arranging our Xmas hols, was thinking somewhere with a good Xmas vibe, somewhere holy.

Green- what about Bethlehem?

Patel– Oooh hadnt thought of that.

May– Damien, shut up and get back in the corner, infact behind the curtain and put your phone away, I’ll be checking your browsing history later.

May– Right to business, Gavin have you got a grip of Defence yet,

Williamson– Well I’ve moved Cronos into fallons old office, but I keep finding empty gin bottles stashed everywhere, oh and people keep, mistaking me for the health secretary, at least I think they are saying Hunt.

Hunt– What was that? Sorry high score on candy crush, we’ve added 1000000 new nurses and…

Hammond– You better bloody not, infact that’s an extra 1bn off your budget you Brexit turncoat

May– Enough! Now Andrea what are we doing about this sex scandal

Leadsom– Well as you know I’ve been very pro-active, outing the sex pests, especially that cad Fallon.

May– And do we have all historic allegations under wraps?

Leadsom– Oh Im pretty sure, someone did say they had been assaulted last week, or was it last month, I mean I definitely wrote it down.

May– Ok, let’s move on, David what’s going on with Brexit?

Davis– Well talks should resume before Xmas, maybe after, im not too worried, I think they’re ready to fold any minute.

Hammond– Really? my contacts in Brussels are saying there’s no shift- the EU27 saying exactly what they did when you signed up to their schedule 8 months ago, you have to follow it!

Davis– Yes well, what they don’t realise is that Britain is led by some of the greatest statesman in the world, this is clever stuff, I mean, its not like you just have to turn up at the last minute and theyll capitulate, its all very strategic, no one said it would be easy!

Hammond– Well actually that twerp Hannon did, Gove said we’d hold all the cards a day after the vote & some idiot said it’d be the easiest deal in history.

Fox– Ill have you know that Ive got a tester bacth of chloriated chicken coming in next week.

Johnson– Im not eating that foreign muck, ill be shitting like a bedouin! Oh wait your excellency!, not you, what I meant was, what do you mean 20 years, thats a bit harsh, hello, hello? Bugger.

All– BORRIS !

Well if they are not in the room she can’t sack them…

at what point is the damage to much that it has to be called off?

Zokes be careful with using words like I know, when it is obvious that you do not know

Sorry, shouldn’t have stooped to your level.

Well if labour are about to flip flop then we shall see but so far it’s clear re voting patterns and behaviour what the two major political parties intend.

Hmmm….The labour party doesn’t really need to do anything at the moment. If they came down on the side of remain, it may galvanise the tories, the current course of action looks like sit on the fence and watch the tories disintegrate.

It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial

looking in the mirror at the time you said it?

US Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told the BBC there had already been a “joint scoping exercise” in Washington in July on a free trade agreement…

Excellent, a transatlantic trade and investment partnership?

🙄

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/07/priti-patel-wanted-to-send-aid-money-to-israeli-army-no-10-confirms

You couldn’t make it up. Has such a shower of shite ever occupied government before?

It’s comical that people could ever have accused the EU parliament of being poorly-run compared to the dysfunctional cluster-**** in westminster.

Sorry, shouldn’t have stooped to your level.

You can but dream

Enough with the personal sniping, we’ve got the serious matter of 58 sectoral analyses that are “already done” while “it is not the case that 58 sectoral impact assessments exist”

Enough with the personal sniping, we’ve got the serious matter of 58 sectoral analyses that are “already done” while “it is not the case that 58 sectoral impact assessments exist”

What is the penalty for misleading the HoC and or contempt?

Because it appears to be coming obvious the fabled studies are as real as Unicorns.

The fabled studies are cobbled-together trivia, anecdotes and soundbites that the govt are too embarrassed to publish because it would show their preparations to have been utterly shoddy and inadequate.

Davis caught in one of his own lies there, its almost funny if it wasnt so serious and now a regular thing

THM your stance apppears to have shifted from

‘there will be a deal’

to

‘Im prepared for everything’

funnily enough youre not alone

with a government this incompetent its hardly surprising

word from brussles is that the EU also agree

Hmmm….The labour party doesn’t really need to do anything at the moment. If they came down on the side of remain, it may galvanise the tories, the current course of action looks like sit on the fence and watch the tories disintegrate.

Correct. But possibly vert soon they may have to step up to the plate. They have committed to respecting the vote and the leader is a man of conviction and dislikes the EU so don’t hold you breath on a change of heart. Or are you saying…..

It’s clear who’s really naive, deluded and in denial
looking in the mirror at the time you said it?

No, a very clear pane of glass.

But we are getting happier, obviously not many read this thread

Correct. But possibly vert soon they may have to step up to the plate

nah Torries so desperate to cling on, theyd rather destroy their reputation by keeping Patel & Johnson on board & **** up Brexit that theyll keep resuscitating this dying government

THM your stance apppears to have shifted

No it hasn’t

Of course I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is different though

But we are getting happier, obviously not many read this thread

hmm that red line wouldve been higher now if it’d continued its trajectory from march 2013 to mid 2015

#brexitsfault

see also

Of course I prepare for the worst and hope for the best. That is different though

not long ago you were confident teh grown ups would ensure there would be a deal, inspite of the headlines

are you so sure now?

The Out campaign – and the attitude to tax of its funders

How will the brexit voting public respond when they find out they have been shafted? Still waiting for an answer.

Mefty – I get happier every day I see another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Of course I’m getting happier since June last year.

😆

eye opening thread from deputy director of British Influence thinktank

Back from meetings in Brussels. There's good news and bad news. First, the bad news. Because it's… extremely bad. 1/

— Jonathan Lis (@jonlis1) November 6, 2017

Back from meetings in Brussels. There’s good news and bad news. First, the bad news. Because it’s… extremely bad. 1/