The EU sans UK wouldn’t like this game, but tough. They could end the game by kicking us out of the EU, but that would take a unanimous decision, so fat chance?

I wouldn’t count on it, try reading the European press. What i have read is along lines of f*** off.

The Brexiters claims that the EU will have to work with us are crap, the UK has never tried to involve itself in the UK and has just snipped for 40years.

De Gaulle has been proven right, and that is the feeling in many articles.

Also some of the comments coming from the British government don’t help our case.

Old Europe might want us gone, but I think it would be a tough decision for new (Eastern) Europe to want us out – especially with Putin’s sabre rattling and Trump’s views on Russia and NATO.

Will any of you apologise to poor old jambalaya if he’s proven right, I’ve noticed a few of these threads are starting have undertones of bullying.

Will any of you apologise to poor old jambalaya if he’s proven right, I’ve noticed a few of these threads are starting have undertones of bullying.

when jambalaya apologises for making up stuff to back up his arguments 😉

It may sound like bullying but repeatedly claiming things he surely knows to be false as true should be called out

Old Europe might want us gone, but I think it would be a tough decision for new (Eastern) Europe to want us out – especially with Putin’s sabre rattling and Trump’s views on Russia and NATO.

So who is going to defend eastern europe if not Nato???? It certainly won’t be the UK who object to any european defence co-operation outside Nato for a starter. I believe that Trump would be happy to give the Baltic countries and Poland to Russia if he felt it suited his agenda.

bikeeey – Member

I principally voted leave as I value democracy…

1) first past the post
2) unelected second house
3) unelected head of state

your valued ‘democracy’ is an illusion at best.

So who is going to defend eastern europe if not Nato???? It certainly won’t be the UK who object to any european defence co-operation outside Nato for a starter. I believe that Trump would be happy to give the Baltic countries and Poland to Russia if he felt it suited his agenda.

Exactly. And with US support uncertain, UK support for NATO increases in importance.

Will any of you apologise to poor old jambalaya if he’s proven right, I’ve noticed a few of these threads are starting have undertones of bullying.

If I sit here telling you that the moon is made of cheese, completely ignore multiple examples given by others to explain that it’s not, yet consistently claim that I’m both correct and you’re all wrong, I suspect many posters would tell me that I’m wrong several times. If I continue doing this for about a year, there’ll be not only a lot of posts telling me I’m wrong, and a few quite rightly questioning both my mental capacity and my ability to have an intelligent discussion.

Will any of you apologise to poor old jambalaya if he’s proven right, I’ve noticed a few of these threads are starting have undertones of bullying.

It will be impossible to prove right OR wrong, to be able to prove you need to have two cases that you can compare.

think like this, there are many times in life where you have a choice, you make that choice and you may wonder if it was the right choice, but you can never know the outcome if you have made a different choice.

No one is bullying Jamba by asking him to back up his assertions.

I wouldn’t worry about him on this thread, because he, and we, know that…

1) We will almost certainly leave the EU (which is what he wants)
2) The EU will be weaker for losing one of its most successful economies (which is what he wants)
3) Our manner of exit is likely to result in us leaving all the European institutions (which is what he wants)
4) The Tories will now be in power for a generation (which is what he wants)
5) The Tories will prioritise financial services in future replacement deals (which is what he wants)
7) UK regulation will in time become much weaker than that of the EU countries (which is what he wants)

So very little reason to feel sorry for him as regards the issues discussed here at all!

8 ) He lives in France

9) He’ll be retired and living in the sun by the time the ‘result’ is known

10) He’ll then be deported back to the UK, but as he’s not lived here for so long he’ll be forced to take a citizenship test, which he’ll fail

I think he may still be resident in the UK, though spending a lot of time in France. Benefit of doubt to be appplied on that one.

Play the ball not the man.

The EU is trying to level the playground, while some member states, notably Ireland Luxembourg, the Netherlands and the UK, busy themselves (ab)using the autonomy they still have to create as much advantage as possible.

Essentially if you post things that are untrue then you will be challenged for it on here as the forum is, whatever the politics, broadly rational and facts based

Its really not our fault he cannot meet this standard and that folk point it out to him.

as for play his arguments one can only do this if he were rational and fact based as he is not , and by lord many of us have tried, then folk inevitably just mock him/play the man/bully him as you prefer.

I have largely given up engaging as it is pointless and he wont change

Unfortunately i dont think many of those who disagree with his approach will give up though so we are left with this

And “this” is a pretty accurate reflection of the UK as a whole. The posters contributing reflecting the views of their camps and interest groups. It’s a mess, there won’t be many winners but Jamba and others who specialise in providing a maximum of return with a minimum of tax and to hell with ethics will be among them.

I wonder what is going to happen to the special relationship with the US after the golden shower dossier?

It should strengthen it, Chris, playing amusing games with prostitutes is a favourite activity of the Westminster set. Where’s Jive Honey Jive when we need him?

well the secret agent who wrote the dossier has gone to ground

MAKES YOU THINK

cchris2lou – Member
I wonder what is going to happen to the special relationship with the US after the golden shower dossier?

trump is quite plainly upset about this

the scum reporting that it was our new EU ambassador that passed it to McCain

trump is launching an investigation into it all

embarrassing for Johnson & May

embarrassing for Johnson & May

back to the back of the queue you go. we really are going to end up friendless at this rate.

Will Mr Assange be getting a room mate?

Assange is gutted he sold out to Trump hoping to be forgotten.

back to the back of the queue you go. we really are going to end up friendless at this rate.

We will have to remain in EU and hide

Interesting view of the difference in opinions north and south of the border…

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/yougov-polls-reveals-chasm-between.html?m=1

Interesting view of the difference in opinions north and south of the border…

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/yougov-polls-reveals-chasm-between.html?m=1

Strange results. Every question had a majority saying it would be worse yet in hindsight we would still vote to leave. Says it all about the voters doesn’t it or is it simply because there wasn’t a question on immigration…

Comments are interesting.

I think my fellow Scots should think about the irony of labelling all English as xenophobes.

The uber nats are pretty revolting to be fair

and completely irrelevant and a tiny number. Far right tories disgust me far more and are far more unplesant

TJ – for me, they’re all in the same bucket really

It’s one of the great problems of modern politics tbh, both sides want to pretend that the worst of their opposition are representative and important, and in turn they end up giving the people on the margins a far louder voice than they’d otherwise have had.

i agree there is nothing nice about uber nats from any nation

NW also makes a good point ad Scottish nationalism is not like English nationalism [EDL for example]which is actually racist

I imagine you can find racist in all parties supporters without much effort

The great problem with moden politics is phoney populism. Salmond, Farage, Trump, Fox, Bojo, Sturgeon – all sell a mirage. Bargain basement snake oil.

IGM on one thread q recently someone suggested that 10% of the population were in that bucket. I think they got their Maths wrong though.

unlike most of the unionists on this thread, I live in Scotland, have an english accent and name, I have not seen anti english racism for decades. Its simply not a real issue of any consequence – its just a way for unionists to smear scots nationalist.

The racism in the tory party is far worse, its an integral part of this governments policies and it effects far more people.

Mote in Eye anyone?

The racism in the tory party is far worse, its an integral part of this governments policies and it effects far more people.

Odd then that Labour has suspended over 50 members for racism, a senior Momentum figure twice in 12 months and the Home Affairs Select Committee said Corbyn had created “a safe space” for such behaviour.

Meh the Torys split in two tho, the kippers have the lion’s share of the racists now!

jambalaya – Member

Odd then that Labour has suspended over 50 members for racism, a senior Momentum figure twice in 12 months and the Home Affairs Select Committee said Corbyn had created “a safe space” for such behaviour.

Which might just tell you about which party cares enough to take action, and which one sweeps problems under the carpet. Who knows?

Anyway, have we invoked A50 yet?

TJ – a Scot resident in Yorkshire here. I’ve seen Scots bigots, racists and xenophobes and I’ve see English bigots, racists and xenophobes, and on balance I prefer neither.
I will agree though that the SNP are not nationalist in the sense that the BNP, EDL or UKIP are.

Tores and racism, Amber Rudd investigated by the WMP for incitement.

And what did the Tories do about it?