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TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff" day in day out rather than engage in a discussion. They don't have the strength of character to do either of those things.
I would post something more pithy in response but my irony meter has just exploded and I can't see the screen for smoke....
The Barnier story.
http://m.economictimes.com/news/international/business/eu-needs-special-rules-to-protect-it-from-british-financial-risk-michel-barnier/articleshow/56537877.cmsBRUSSELS: The European Union's Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said on Saturday that the EU would need "special vigilance" in letting British financial firms access the bloc because of the large risk London could pose to the EU's financial stability.Responding to a report in the Guardian which said he had told EU lawmakers that he wanted a special deal to maintain EU firms' access to the City of London, Barnier tweeted: "When asked on equivalence I said: EU would need special vigilance on financial stability risk, not special deal to access the City."
An EU spokesman said the Guardian report did "not correctly reflect" Barnier's comments to a closed-door meeting with members of the European Parliament last week.
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff"
The problem is, so much of what you have posted is either a blatant lie or such a twisting of the truth to not be very far removed from one, the very rare occasion you actually post something factual is very easy to miss.
I suggest you have a read about [i]The Boy Who Cried Wolf[/i].
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Oh dear, stay short £ and FTSE 250 and long FTSE 100
Buy land near ports and airports.
Get your Irish passport if you live in NI.
Transitional deal a no brainer.
'Britain is seeking"..no a megalomaniac psycho bitch is.
David Davis is seeking a new deal from the EU that will differ from the current one then, I can see why he got the the job.
Oh shit!
oh dear , Brexit means Brexit .
Lets hope Putin decides to leak her donkey sex tape pretty soon.
TMH no one here is ever going to aplogise, they'll just keep posting their "it's all lies stuff"
Given the leave campaign director basically said we had to lie and it worked otherwise people wouldn't have voted for it, I can't see anyone apologising for the lies, same as the Trump thread people rejoice in the lies and tell us how it's clever politics and winning is what matters.
#350millionlies
teamhurtmore - Member
Mrovershoot, on your side, you might want to apologise to Jambas as his "fact" about G7 growth rates is correct. (But it is not expected to last.)
He well might be correct as of now & possibly proved right in the future but his quote was
[i]"The UK remains the G7's strongest Economy post Brexit"[/i]
We are not at "post Brexit" yet
"The UK remains the G7's strongest Economy post Brexit"
The USA is the strongest economy in the G7.
I'd expect it still to be post Brexit.
We may be growing faster, but our growth rate would have to be insane to overtake USA .
@Kimbers, that might be my favourite thing you've ever posted 🙂 seriously its been obvious we will leave THE single market as Gisela and so many other people have said, THE single market is the EU. Thats why its ties to freedom of movement, there is no need for freedom of movement in a free trade deal. Its a political add on.
Barnier tweeted: "When asked on equivalence I said: EU would need special vigilance on financial stability risk
Stable door. Horse. Bolted.
Mr Overshoot yes fair enough, I should have said post-Referendum. It is right to say we are at the point of maximum uncertainty.
Kelvin yes I meant growth wise
TMH you know the answer to your question so why would I reply, it wasn't the comparison I made anyway ? Also IMO G7 is the comparison we want to be making not an EU hotch-potch. If you want to compare with EU countries go ahead. BTW Germany has started to get a grip on the cost of the 1m refugees they took in, €20bn (IMO real cost will be double that). Interesting story on the Chernobyl thread that EDF will need a massive bailout. The bills are mounting.
Transitional deal a no brainer.
Depends on terms, freedom of movement, ECJ and of course cost. All to be none for me.
no a megalomaniac psycho bitch is.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Jambas, mon amis, I was referrring to this comparison that you made
The UK remains the G7's strongest Economy post Brexit and activity in the rest of Europe is very weak.
As we both know the second part of the comparison is not true. GDP growth in EU is only slightly less than the UK (and in some cases higher) and has recently (like the UK) surprised on the upside.
Govt. now threatening tax cuts to level the playing field if we don't get single market access.
Threatening?
We decided to leave! We don't get to threaten.
What a bunch of utter fools we have leading these negotiations.
Don't mistake them for fools. They will do quite nicely out of it. It's those who voted out who are the fools.
On the lose:lose theme
So the Gov is now preparing us for a slow, hard exit. Q impressive to pick the worst bits from both aspects.
Abandon European style social model.... So what does that mean... oh yes lets scrap the NHS, scrap any employment rights lets move to a US model.
And then May is saying lets all pull together, if that is the plan then sorry, Brexiters are scum.
Intersting to see that no one really trusts any of the politicians to solve the issues and that the NHS is starting to fall apart
Really will have to consider if i want to live in this country anymore. No opposition a government hell bent on destroying the quality of life and death in this country.
Intersting to see that no one really trusts any of the politicians to solve the issues and that the NHS is starting to fall apart
Parhaps a call for Sir Alan to run things then? He's probably not loopy enough though.
Brexiters are scum.
It took you 6 months to realise that?
Well it looks like she has gone totally mental.
There's a march coming up soon ,be on it.
http://remainvisual.co.uk/2017/01/06/unite-for-europe-march/
If you can't make it join a pro eu organisation or even the lib dems.
DO SOMETHING WHILE WE STILL CAN.
Brexiters are scum.
It took you 6 months to realise that?
No, but in the interests of "uniting the country" I was merely happy to say i believed that they were wrong. IF what is being leaked comes to pass, then merely being wrong is no longer a fitting emotion.
The UK has a serious issue in that there is no opposition, the politicians really haven't got a clue. When the bottom of the pile realise just how bad it is going to get then what? What is the murder rate in South Africa, Brazil etc? Look at how peaceful and tolerant Victorian England was!
I guess the next step is bring back hanging, can't have any of that European human rights malarky.
If they had a referendum on capital punishment then hanging would be back, along with 0% income tax if they also asked what the tax rate should be
If they had a referendum on capital punishment then hanging would be back, along with 0% income tax if they also asked what the tax rate should be
And does the death penalty work? Looking at murder rates around the world in from the UKs history, no. Does it result in the innocent dying, definitely.
I always wondered where the "End is Nigh" placard wearers has disappeared to, now I know.
Just more brexishambles really, the transition deal promises an election with only one focus next time round.
Hammond threatening to turn us into a tax haven if we don't get what we want .. 😛
Well that's not totally stupid
Hammond must be feeling even more isolated now
In short, the UK is Going for Hard Brexit but not straight away?
Surely that is a win for the Remainers camp.
Gerard Coyne interviewed on Sophy Ridge, candidate for leadership of UNITE is clear that his members want an end to freedom of movement.
@kimbers IMO 2020 election was always going to be about the vision for Britain outside the EU. Whatever deals are negotiated they are going to be in place by 2020, old news in election terms. I am sure we'll get some "electoral carrots" like ending VAT on ultility bills which would not be possible inside the EU.
Look at unemployment TMH, around 10% in many countries with youth unemployment anywhere from 25-50%. What's the stat, UK and Germany have created 80% of the new jobs in the EU in the last year ? There is a good reason our exports to the EU have been steadily sliding for 10 years and that's because the EU is very weak.
Brexiters are scum
All 17.5 milion people eh ?
In short, the UK is Going for Hard Brexit but not straight away?
Surely that is a win for the Remainers camp.
My view is there will be an EU trade deal, the above plus that is about the best Remainers could have expected I think.
All 17.5 milion people eh ?
yes, if what is being leaked comes to pass. They have enabled the destruction of the welfare state. For that i can not forgive them. Simple really.
yes, if what is being leaked comes to pass. They have enabled the destruction of the welfare state. For that i can not forgive them. Simple really.
And its Jamba who is accused of peddling lies, extraordinary.
In short, the UK is Going for Hard Brexit but not straight away?
Surely that is a win for the Remainers camp.
Only if you have enough faith that people will come to their senses and realise that brown people (who don't come from Europe anyway and thus were still subject to our ****ing border control and visa system) aren't to blame for the economic and social mess the UK is in
Yes there is an UN problem is some economies but that does not equate to your conclusion. It is merely one objective among many.
The EU may have problems but it is not very weak as you keep implying - at least not on the growth terms that you were indicating
And its Jamba who is accused of peddling lies, extraordinary.
Sadly, mrmo's prediction is quite plausible. The vast majority of #jambyfacts are not. Simples.
Gerard Coyne interviewed on Sophy Ridge, candidate for leadership of UNITE is clear that his members want an end to freedom of movement.
They swallowed the BS
Surely the Best for Remainers is the worst for Brexiters ?
In the interview with the Sunday newspaper, Hammond also emphasised that restricting immigration would be the British government’s priority during negotiations . “We are aware that the message from the referendum is that we must control our immigration policy ,” he said.
Not really sure how May and the torie have managed to subvert the vote on the EU to a vote on immigration. Sure some did but not all and t wa not a vote on immigration
May really does seem to hate immigrants whilst telling us all how christian values are what define her
She does not seemed to have grasped much of the message of christ on how to treat folk
I thought it was acknowledged by now that immigration and interference by Johnny Foreigner were the main factors in the vote to leave.
Hang on - have I missed the bit where Jamba showed strength of character and apologised for lying about the UK being the strongest G7 economy post Brexit?
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/01/why-post-truth-age-bullshitters-are-winning
Hammond: We are now objectively a European-style economy. We are on the US end of the European spectrum, but we do have an open-market economy with a social model that is recognized in the mainstream of European norms, not US norms. And most of us who had voted in the European-style economy with European-style taxation systems, European-style regulation systems etcetera. I personally hope to be able to help you. But if we are forced to be something different, then we will have something different.
taken from the Welt interview.
read it how you want, we follow the European model but if we have to change we have to change. Change to what is the question. So we come to what are the options, a more inclusive, more caring country where the NHS is fully funded, where pensions are generous etc. OR more like the US health insurance minimal welfare etc.
Now the evidence, look at the UK, take the NHS going well isn't it!
Also he mentions we have 3million EU citizens and full employment so we need the europeans....
May really does seem to hate immigrants whilst telling us all how christian values are what define her
perfectly christian, Crusades, Conquisators, Missionaries etc etc etc.
Christianity like most religions isn't tolerant of dissent.
She does not seemed to have grasped much of the message of christ on how to treat folk
Socialism is the political basis for a christian. You simply cannot be a conservative and a christian as conservatism by it's nature is screwing the less fortunate who also need the most help.
Immigration was a significant issue in the campaign and in the 2015 General election. Leaving the EU allows the Tories to work on delivering their manifesto pledge.
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
I thought it was acknowledged by now that immigration and interference by Johnny Foreigner were the main factors in the vote to leave.
It is. Something like like for the average leave voter;
- Immigration bad
- All other factors too complicated to understand but immigration is bad whatever.
TBH I think May missed a trick by not magicing up money for the NHS very early in her term , this blaming DRs for causing the current NHS issue is a bit naive IMHO and definitely not a way to go about getting everyone onboard sorting out the NHS.
Jumped right on the immigration bandwagon but not the other vote winner bit odd that.
Has she actually done anything in the last six months apart from devaluing the pound every time she opens her gob ?
"only an asshole could hear "charity begins at home" and interpret it to mean that it also ends there"
http://www.cracked.com/article_20251_the-5-most-frequently-misused-proverbs.html
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Would you like to quote the Chapter and Verse that refers to that #JambyJesusFact?
And presumably in your case, that would mean looking after France before Britain, given where your home is?
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Do not bring religion into it! You're struggling with facts in the real world! 😛
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Friends, you mean the Tory paymasters?
[b]"It's nothing to do with immigrants"[/b]
[b]"It's all to do with immigrants"[/b]
I know people who voted Leave in each of these two camps.
We all knew which camp May was in before the vote (despite voting to Remain), she made it very clear.
The vote was not a vote on immigration, even if it was the main issue at the heart of the Leave campaign (which many Leave campaigners denied it was).
May would be perusing the same agenda on immigration now, no matter which way the vote had gone.
Andrew Marr wrote a good article in the [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/optimists-guide-brexit ]New Statesman[/url] before Christmas which, inter alia, bemoaned the lack of imagination displayed by politicians when confronted with the inevitability of Brexit - the debate on here is much the same.
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
Junkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
Actually they teach that you help those less fortunate than yourselves - see the Good Samaritan for example. Which by your reckoning Jamba must be folk outside of the UK, immigrants and refugees. Agreed?
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
On that basis, most Brexies need to get a grip.
On that basis, most Brexies need to get a grip.
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements, which is hardly revolutionary - although some of the hyperbole suggests it is - but that is safely ignored.
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements, which is hardly revolutionary - although some of the hyperbole suggests it is - but that is safely ignored.
So that means that the remainers who want to maintain the status quo are the extremists then?
So that means that the remainers who want to maintain the status quo are the extremists then?
Of course, how could one reach any other conclusion.
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism.
As Charlie Brooker said, "What happened to meh? I quite liked meh".
Oh just spotted this by Nicky Morgan too:
"The government will be doing a disservice to the country and to both Leave and Remain voters if it dogmatically pursues a hard, destructive Brexit where immigration control is the be all and end all, our economy is undermined, and people are left poorer."
Of course, how could one reach any other conclusion.
😆
Not for sensitive souls.
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements,
You need to wake up, then. What is (also) in doubt is the residence status of family members of UK nationals who have the misfortune to be foreigners.
Immigration is key to Brexshit/populism which is why current trends are so dangerous. Have we forgotten history?
Mefty, we both agree on what Brexsit should be about, but the hyperbole took over a long time ago.
adds christianity and the phrase charity begins at home to list of things jamby does not understand
Did I say Charity [b]ends[/b] at home ? You've taken the phrase and tried to infer something it doesn't say. We have one of the world's most generous foreign aid budgets, £12bn a year. We are the second largest supporter/funder of Syrian refugee camps, second only to the US. When you consider the oil wealth of the Middle East that's pretty staggering. What is the best way to help refugees, the Germans are spending €20bn pa (their number, mine is €40bn) to help a million people the minority of which are Syrian.
Coming back to UNITE concern over uncontrolled immigration is strongest amongst those commnities most exposed to the negative economic impacts. This includes non-EU immigrants. More on Sophy Ridge in her interview with John McDonnel and his East London constituents. Son of Maltese immigrants thinks it's "gone too far" for example.
Interesting if that last point is true Jamba, because traditionally in Britain opposition to immigration is strongest in the lowest immigration areas.
So that would be a huge change.
Do you have an independent source?
Son of Maltese immigrants thinks it's "gone too far" for example.
Malta is a member of the Commonwealth, so he's alright jack.
Do you have an independent source?s
Most optimistic question of the day goes to you
What are these negative economic impacts?
Why? I only see them suggesting changes to our trading arrangements, which is hardly revolutionary - although some of the hyperbole suggests it is - but that is safely ignored.
Keep up, if the referendum campaign had been just about our trading arrangements, it would never have gone the same way, those running the Leave campaign have said so (read back in this thread for quotes and full sources). Our PM has made it clear that her red lines are nothing to with out trading arrangements, and everything to do with immigration and court jurisdiction. Other ministers are taking about a bonfire of regulation, and a reshaping of what the state does for who, and who pays.
Coming back to UNITE concern over uncontrolled immigration is strongest amongst those commnities most exposed to the negative economic impacts.
This is almost certainly true.
Communities most exposed to negative economic impacts show the most concern about immigration.
However, it does not necessarily follow that those negative economic impacts are caused by immigration.
In addition, many areas with lower immigration are suffering the negative economic impacts more than areas with the highest immigration.
mefty - MemberThe simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
If you think British politics has never been prone to extremes how do you explain the post-war creation of the welfare state, initially unique outside the Soviet Union? No other Western country had anything remotely similar.
And how do you explain the election of a neo-liberal government in 1979, at the time quite unique outside Latin American dictatorships?
Clem Attlee and Margaret Thatcher not extremists? Yeah right
The simple fact is that British politics has never been prone to extremes, we have a long and distinguished history in boring pragmatism. There is absolutely no prospect this is going to change and anyone who suggests it will really needs to get a grip.
We've had some form of extremism going on for the last 40 years, that people think its now normal. If you look at someone like trump and all he spouts, in time he will do what he said he will do, and the majority will probably shrug and carry on, therefore creating a new normality.
jambalaya - MemberJunkyard, Charity begins at Home. All Christians are taught that, you start by helping your family and friends.
You must belong to a dodgy Christian outfit. JC's message was very clear - you must love your neighbour as yourself.
Neighbour doesn't mean family and friends.
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That Ernie's poster girl is considered extreme tells you all you need to know about how shockingly bland UK politics is?
Was she as good at cutting spending as the current group of nasties?
Odd to read the Brexshit Bugle of all papers talking about "membership" of the single market. Do they not even get it either???
Was she as good at cutting spending as the current group of nasties?
When has it ever been about cutting spending? IT is all about spending in the "right" places.
So where have the nasties been making the wrong choices? Were the protected three the wrong ones?
That Ernie's poster girl is considered extreme tells you all you need to know about how shockingly bland UK politics is?
Extreme has become normalised. Even though Cameron's and now Maybe's Governments are the most right wing we've had.
Was she as good at cutting spending as the current group of nasties?
Every journey begins with a single step...
Odd to read the Brexshit Bugle of all papers talking about "membership" of the single market. Do they not even get it either???
They still think they can pick and choose what bits of the EU they want. However, I suspect the EU will say all or nothing.
Indeed "the most RW". QED. Bland Centralist politics defines us.- and we are better for it.