Of course, Dave down the pub who voted leave understands all of that, doesn't he...
FFS.
igm - Member
And if chewkw is listening - identity cards are for totalitarian regimes too (although I normally carry enough ID anyway, that's by choice)
ID is common in the Far East so no big deal.
ID is common in the Far East so no big deal.
It is a big deal.
ID is common in the Far East so no big deal.
It was common in Europe in the 1930s too
zokes - Still not a customer
ID is common in the Far East so no big deal.
It was common in Europe in the 1930s too
We don't mind really.
I find it bloody inconvenient not having an ID card. It would save me a lot of hassle.
It is a big deal
Why?
Why?
"Ihre papieren bitte!"
There is no point having ID cards if the police don't have the power to stop you and ask for it .
Just another big brother stealth move.
Fascism and bigotry are such a hateful things that they must be denied even a molecule of oxygen.
+1
Lists. It always starts with lists.
Better stop the next census,
identity cards are for totalitarian regimes too
From Wikipedia
National identity cards are issued to their citizens by the governments of all European Union member states except Denmark and the United Kingdom,
BnD - I remember the good old days of international flights with no ID. No really, I didn't realise until after I'd got off the plane and cleared immigration that I had no ID. Not sure I'd recommend if but it was a better time.
Of course an educated Scots accent and an honest face are pretty much as good as a passport.
"Today, institutions fundamental to the British system of Government are under attack
the public schools, the house of Lords, the Church of England, the holy institution of Marriage, even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who would undermine our society, and it's about time we said 'enough is enough' and saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline, obedience, morality and freedom.
What we want isFreedom from the reds and the blacks and the criminals
Prostitutes, pansies and punks
Football hooligans, juvenile delinquents
Lesbians and left wing scum
Freedom from the ****s and the ****s and the unions
Freedom from the Gipsies and the Jews
Freedom from leftwing layabouts and liberals
Freedom from the likes of you"
Merkel, do as I say not as I do. Interesting the German govt said it was a "loop hole" which allowed immigrants to claim unemployment. We are in the UK at a disadvantage as our benefots are non-contributory, In France (and Germany I think) yoir unemployment benefit depends on how much you've paid in previously. So an immigrant has generally paid i little/zero so get's little/zero until they've worked for a whils.
And if chewkw is listening - identity cards are for totalitarian regimes too (although I normally carry enough ID anyway, that's by choice)
They have them in France (compulsory to carry it, your passport or present to a Police station asap if stopped) plus a chip and pin card for access to health service.
I'd prefer if we had the same inc for NHS, at least we have photo driving licences now.
EDIT:I see big_n_daft has made a better point, ie pretty much everyone has them
@igm the US used to do internal flights with no ID - I remember them well and going skiing on a ticket in a colleagues name. 911 changed all that
Still don't like them Jamba.
Never had much trust of authority
And it was international flights, not US domestic.
PS I don't mean London Glasgow on the shuttle
@igm the US used to do internal flights with no ID - I remember them well and going skiing on a ticket in a colleagues name. 911 changed all that
Still done in Oz. You just need the passenger's name and destination, or their frequent flier / credit card.
zippykona/TRB +1
I'll be honest, I hate that our students are now given their BRP- basically their PAPERS PLEASE. It's the whole assumption that you are an Other and you will be challenged and asked to prove that you have the right to be here (it's not like there's jackboots out there demanding BRPs but that's the vibe it gives me... meanwhile I rather like the tier 4 visa you get in your passport, it's nicely old school)
But when we're setting up one of our students as a casual worker, it's [i]really handy[/i]. That used to be a pain in the arse. So as long as it saves me 3 minutes a week I'm all for it.
It is a big deal
Why?
A lurch to incorporate xenophobic practices is not the same as long established protocol
Food price has started to rise on my dads farm due to whey price increasing - due to exporting more...
Nipper that's been posted before and why not ? Politically sensitive work to be carried out by citizens only ? That's exactly the policy in the US.
A lurch to incorporate xenophobic practices is not the same as long established protocol
Checking someone's right to work or study is not xenophobic. At the border we check for right of entry only.
Of course the Leavers are helped to make their anti-EU argument when the opposing side nominate someone as chief negotiator who has, shall we say, a personal interest in the outcome ...
https://www.thepressproject.gr/details_en.php?aid=62406
Allegedly.
posted before and why not ?
Because refusing to take the advice of someone purely based on their nationality is a ridiculously blinkered, ignorant, small-minded and stupid stance to take. I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that an eminently qualified academic or professional is easily capable of putting aside their nationality when assessing a particular subject which might involve nationality?
Nipper that's been posted before and why not ? Politically sensitive work to be carried out by citizens only ? That's exactly the policy in the US.
So is the death penalty. Your point?
I suppose it hasn't occurred to you that an eminently qualified academic or professional is easily capable of putting aside their nationality when assessing a particular subject which might involve nationality?
TBH I can easily believe that this would not have occurred to some people.
Checking someone's right to work or study is not xenophobic. At the border we check for right of entry only.
Well, you are discriminating against them on the basis of nationality. Just because we're normalised to it under the guise of "border control" doesn't change the fact that the only reason you're treating them differently is because of where they were born.
Come on Jamba have we all to carry id cards to prove our right to work now. Or is it just immigrants?
We already have national insurance numbers which are proof of a right to work, though not proof of identity
Politically sensitive work to be carried out by citizens only ? That's exactly the policy in the US.
Well it isn't, but anyway, let's assume that is the case - it would be their loss.
In the past, I have been involved in advising foreign counties in politically sensitive issues eg, financing, bank regulation and restructuring, access for foreigners etc.
Why would the UK ignore expertise juts because someone was born somewhere else? We should be outward looking and unafraid of competition not narrow-minded and protectionist
The article about guy verhofstadt, doesn't surprise me sadly.
While i do not want us to leave the eu i can see there being a split in the future between the northern countries and the med countries in the near future, France has a lot of structural problems too mainly that of the patronage and dominance of certain universities and the restrictions on positions in industry based on that.
It's going to be interesting i just hope not too painful for us until hopefully we can get rid of the lunacy in charge
I've never been a fan of positive discrimination - regardless of who it benefits.
The best person for the job must surely be the only way forward. Where they came from, what sex or how old they are is surely irrelevant.
DrJ btw as you are here this morning I manage money for different clients including pension funds to give people a decent retirement and US college endowments which pay for scholarships and research posts.
We should all carry ID cards, I was in favour when they where proposed under Labour, as posted above we in the UK are very much in the minority in Europe.
TMH I was just pointing out how the US do things. Personally I would give outvwoek to academics very selectively, we need business advice not theory.
Changing tack slightly, I've just seen this on the news:
What a wonderful two fingers up to every knob who voted to leave the EU so the foreigners would go home!
TMH I was just pointing out how the US do things. Personally I would give outvwoek to academics very selectively, we need business advice not theory.
Above all we need facts and evidence-based policy over lies and post truth politics. We are a mile away from it at the moment
We should all carry ID cards
Why?
The answer "other countries do" isn't the correct one, btw.
Open letter from some big businesses this morning asking for Government to keep free trade agreement.
We already have national insurance numbers which are proof of a right to work, though not proof of identity
No they are not proof of a right to work
DrJ btw as you are here this morning I manage money for different clients including pension funds to give people a decent retirement and US college endowments which pay for scholarships and research posts.
Quite. Which is why it may not be clear to you what problems Brexit or the uncertainty around Brexit may create in the physical world.
Nipper that's been posted before and why not ? Politically sensitive work to be carried out by citizens only ? That's exactly the policy in the US.
i) unless your a Chinese nuclear plant builder;
ii) I've no interest in how they do things in the US, holding the US as an example of how to do things is on a par with holding up Singapore as a vision of the future.
So as alpha's link points out, there are those pesky things called "laws" that our government seems to have forgotten about in their tabloid cut 'n paste conference speeches.
I also suspect that as the government has no idea how many EU migrants are in the UK, rounding them up is going to prove difficult.
This link also outlines how much paperwork would be involved, so probably a bad idea anyway
http://m.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/22/brexit_feature
zokes - Still not a customer
We should all carry ID cards
Why?The answer "other countries do" isn't the correct one, btw.
+1
Why?
We should all carry ID cards, I was in favour when they where proposed under Labour, as posted above we in the UK are very much in the minority in Europe.
Why would [i]you[/i] of all people think we should base our laws on what they do in Europe?!?
Personally I'm against mandatory ID cards. It's a pain to have to carry something all the time (e.g. Out on the bike) and physical cards are a dying technology anyway. Much easier to just have citizens chipped. It's a proven technology that works well on dogs.
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I always look for comparisons at home and abroad for policies or business decisions. I think compulsory IDs are a necessary for law enforcement.
