I dont have a problem with ID cards other than they are a bit pointless, just duplicate the function of a passport/ driving license, and cost a truck load of money and create more red tape, solution looking for a problem, unless you were to replace all of the above with a single global IDcard/license/passport/cash card etc, but that's only for citizens of the world 😉
I'm also happy for much more state intervention, just done well
Builds the roads that lets your staff get to work and home and goods to market
Really, the gov claims otherwise
In the UK, the development and operation of infrastructure is largely the responsibility of the private sector. The maintenance of operating and safety standards is the responsibility of the various regulators, which operate independently of government.
In the UK, the development and operation of infrastructure is largely the responsibility of the private sector
That'll be why it's potholes-a-gogo on the roads then
😀
If not the SCMP then the NYT:
All of the delusions have run out of material
[i]Yes, you said that before.[/i]
Indeed. It was clear first time
[i]My question was who these people are.[/i]
As above, unless of course you are Amber Rudd and demanding a list of names?
Not names, necessarily, just some reassurance that you aren't worrying your poor head about a category of people that you have invented which doesn't contain any actual people. That would be a bit of a waste of your valuable time, n'est-ce pas?
Vraiment, vous avez raison
Alors ne vous inquiétez pas, j'ai raison aussi
I thought that was written by jamba for a moment. Then I realised it was spelled correctly. Otherwise, good effort.
Bon effort - is what you were looking for
@thm: I'm sorry, I must have missed the bit where we became a manufacturing and resources powerhouse in the 80s and early 90s while she who must not be spoken of was in charge. It happened on her watch, and she had over a decade to do something about it.
Apology accepted. You are not the first to make this mistake and won't be the last.
Ok my French is better than I thought.
I could understand that.
From the Indy
Despite causing an outcry on social media, polling by YouGov conducted last week found that a majority of voters from all parties, except the SNP, would have actually supported the plans to draw up public lists of foreigners.
Disgusting. Welcome to Farage-Trump's Britain.
DrJ why don't you try and understand that Farage and Trump are responding to real issues voters care about but which traditional parties have largely ignored / swept under the carpet
Whether the government publishes such nationality breakdowns they shoukd certainly have the infkrmation. As govt said having nationality / job info allows them to recognise and address skills gaps
.....Because history has taught us that appealing to the lowest level of politics; racism, bigotry, scapegoating of others, leads to terrible things.
DrJ why don't you try and understand that Farage and Trump are responding to real issues voters care about
Because the voters have been manipulated.
It's not a REAL issue, it's a fabricated one.
DrJ why don't you try and understand that Farage and Trump are responding to real issues voters care about but which traditional parties have largely ignored / swept under the carpet
Why don't you try and understand that the issues which actually impact voters lives are not related to immigration, and that pretending otherwise, and using that lie to gather votes, is naked racism.
Whether the government publishes such nationality breakdowns they shoukd certainly have the infkrmation. As govt said having nationality / job info allows them to recognise and address skills gaps
They have that information already from ONS and HMRC.
DrJ why don't you try and understand that Farage and Trump are responding to real issues voters care about but which traditional parties have largely ignored / swept under the carpet
Because they are not. They are inventing false causes and scapegoats - mainly foreigners - to complex issues that need sensible answers not exagerated rhetoric/fluff. They have no solutions.
They are bullies who are full of hot air not substance - do some digging on NF career as an example. He makes Leadsom look conservative in her embellishment.
In the world of posttruth politics its is imperative that they do not get away with this nonsense. Which is why they need to be constantly called out for their xenophobia and racism. Its pure narcissism and the losers will be the poor people who are fooled by them and their snake oil. Its the responsibility of all decent human beings to ensure that this doesnt happen. This is the time for proper statesman not monkeys
In the world of posttruth politics its is imperative that they do not get away with this nonsense
Exactly.
THM + 1
As govt said having nationality / job info allows them to recognise and address skills gaps
But they don't need a [i][b]public[/b][/i] list of [i][b]names[/b][/i] for that do they?
Also they have a National Census every ten years that has extensive questions on who your are, what your nationality is, what qualifications you have and what job you do.
try and understand that Farage and Trump are responding to real issues voters care about
Try and understand that fascists are always responding to real issues voters care about.
Without wanting to Godwin this thread, Hitler didn't rise to power by suggesting genocide and everyone thinking it was a great idea. He got there by demonising and scapegoating people then suggesting ways to deal with them.
The government seems to be back tracking now.
Ironically I was at Wembley on saturday for the England game and without the migrants workers I don't think I'll have got in the stadium, or ordered food and drinks.
Same in Greenwich yesterday.
Ah but they say that we'll let migrants in IF we need them and we do, so they can all come in.
Which won't please the average brexiter I'm sure. But what no-one seems to consider is whether or not people will WANT to come here any more.
The government seems to be back tracking no
they are in complete denial it was ever on the cards
they are very quiet on sterling's continued plunge, too
I always assumed this country was really run by press barons and big industry.
How are they benefitting from the current scenario?
Our friends normally have 3 weeks in a villa in Mustique every year. Not anymore it's too expensive even for them.
They bought a 2.5 million pound house last year which they were going to double in size.
That is on hold indefinitely.
If the very rich stop spending it won't benefit anyone.
No doubt Chewk will be on here saying how good it is that the "elite" are feeling the pinch.**** off.
I always assumed this country was really run by press barons and big industry.
How are they benefitting from the current scenario?
Press barons make money by telling people what they want to hear. The seeds of anti-immigration have always been lying in the soil - UKIP germinated them and Cameron let it all blossom. Now both press and politicians are trying to ingratiate themsevles by joining in.
Just a quickie on the ID thing, if we had a proper integrated system that could access information via some sort ID token contained within the card imagine how many things we could do away with and the money we could save.
All in one driving licence, travel card, firearms certificate, talisman, donor card, NHS ID, National Insurance ID, Government Gateway ID, library pass and whatever else we (generally) carry about our person or require.
What is integrating all that really doing to civil liberties? All that info is readily accessible from their existing systems anyway so all a single card does is get rid of the duplication.
All in one driving licence, travel card, firearms certificate, talisman, donor card, NHS ID, National Insurance ID, Government Gateway ID, library pass and whatever else we (generally) carry about our person or require.
AKA a single point of failure where someone can completely hijack your identity.
squirrelking - Member
Just a quickie on the ID thing, if we had a proper integrated system that could access information via some sort ... etc
didn't we try that with the NHS records?
wasn't it A) spectacularly expensive
and B) a total failure?
Oh great, so anyone who wants to check on a single specific detail of one person needs access to a system storing full details of all citizens. Can't see how that could possibly go wrong.
Oh great, so anyone who wants to check on a single specific detail of one person needs access to a system storing full details of all citizens. Can't see how that could possibly go wrong.
Most of the citizen identity management deployments in other countries are not set up this way.
Although the citizen name is used as an identify the access rights to information (and often the information itself) is stored entirely separately. This enables identity and eligibility to confirmed in each domain e.g. health, state benefits, education etc. without the users in those domains being able to see anything else.
Estonia is quite a good model for this - it's ID card system (which doesn't actually rely on a plastic ID card) is the backbone for a fairly efficient public sector.
Since it looks like we're heading for a hard Brexit anyone thinking about how to get their hands on an EU passport?
Luckily for me I had the foresight to knock up my Italian girlfriend a few years ago. If you marry an Italian you can apply for citizenship after three years or one and a half years if you have kids.
So as soon as Article 50 gets triggered she better be ready for, quite possibly, the most romantic proposal ever.
I can't hold up my permanent residency in Japan as a great opportunity to escape national xenophobia and institutional racism, though at least they are generally polite with it (at least to whiteys like me).
What is integrating all that really doing to civil liberties? All that info is readily accessible from their existing systems anyway so all a single card does is get rid of the duplication.
save that I can choose whether or not I want the certificates etc you mention and they don't give the state the right per se to stop me going about my day to day business without more i.e. a reasonable suspicion that I am guilty of an offence. The state does not need any more power to simply stop me in the street for no reason and ask me to prove to them who I am.
Anyone else getting their CV ready!??
I'm in the automotive industry, working for a German owned firm in the UK. Quite a few staff are from mainland Europe. They've been expanding for the last 2-3 years, just announced to us they are going to stop hiring. Deafening silence from management regarding brexit.
They already have offices in Germany they could try and move staff to (certainly those originally from mainland Europe). 95% of our work is with other EU car firms.
Anyone know what a "full brexit" would mean for a firm like this??
How long is it going to take to get these new trade deals and create jobs from these "amazing opportunities" i keep hearing about??
While you could argue its' 59% in favour, I'd suggest that only 30% fully support it and therefore 70% don't.
Because 'somewhat support' could be as simple as they think the Govt ought to know how many foreigners are in the country, give-or-take a few hundred thousand...
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/public-backs-plans-make-companies-say-how-many-for/
I think the plans for hard brexit are here - they're about as sensible as anything else I've seen.
Can't understand why May is ignoring political process so much:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37606228
Some kind of bizarre power grab for PM? How come no-one gets a say in the most important thing for 40 years?
Luckily for me I had the foresight to knock up my Italian girlfriend a few years ago. If you marry an Italian you can apply for citizenship after three years or one and a half years if you have kids.
So as soon as Article 50 gets triggered she better be ready for, quite possibly, the most romantic proposal ever.
Ah yes!
My g/f is Irish....
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[i]The prime minister's spokesman said MPs would "debate and scrutinise" the process but not vote on plans.[/I]
So, what level of ridicule/opposition would there need to be for the Govt to actually follow through with whatever plans they had, or would they wait until after instigating Article 50 for this...
How come no-one gets a say in the most important thing for 40 years?
Because now that things are (somewhat predictably) unravelling, most people who aren't foaming-at-the-mouth ultra right wing headbangers can see that this is (somewhat predictably) unfolding into an absolute ****ing disaster. Therefore any invoking of the democratic process will involve lots of people pointing this uncomfortable fact out to said headbangers.
And we can't have any of that nonsense.
We don't want to hear any of those uncomfortable 'facts' that get in the way of the vision for a 1950's style Rule Brittania theme park, where everyone may be unemployed, and bankrupt, but they're 'appy because they get to wave there little flags and we've sent all the darkies home
5p a litre on fuel by the end of the month unless the pound recovers- I think Davies is giving a Brexit update so that's a big no then, his last one was pure fantasy
his last one was pure fantasy
Everything associated with this whole sorry charade seems to belong through the looking glass. And its getting more bonkers by the day. It shows how far we've travelled that even Tory MPs previously regarded as absolutely rabid anti-EU fruitloops are now considered too moderate to be involved in the process, by Theresa and the headbangers she's surrounded herself with.
Christ only knows where these loons are going to end up taking us.
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my plan b is coming along.
^^^ bastard
Ive married a scouser, so Im stuck on this island with a bunch of idiots and xenophobes.
As Ive said before, its my kids Im gutted for, I dont want them to grow up in a dumbed down, Post-Truth society with rising hate crimes and intolerance, post referendum.
Several of the European researchers at our institute were talking about leaving today, the recent anti-foreigner rhetoric coming from the tory party, failure to offer any guarantee about EU worker status and the loss of EU grant money are all big worries. Also as they are paid in £, their salaries looking poor compared to the stronger €.
