As above – does anyone know? Just bought a pair of XL humvees that fit round waist but too "gangsta" in the leg. Are Singeltracks any better?

Seeing as my second child has just arrived, I can't see myself getting any smaller in the waist girth department, so still need the XLs. Had trouble with Madison shorts in this respect too.

Singletracks come without a liner, as for sizing – no idea

singletracks are much less gangsta, the name humvee is kind of a giveaway..

Singletracks are more tight fit* than humvee's. But ventilation feauture on thighs is ace. Had few crashes with them, and they hold proper. Still like new now, but need to work out where the hell can I buy Grangers to water-proof them after few washes.

cheers – much obliged for help

singletracks are less baggy than humvee's – a bit shorter too.

Are Humvees only 3/4 length?

They come with a liner that is a £20 bonus.

Humvees are huge and for fat people. Singletracks aren't.

I like the design of singletracks. Stitching went on the ar* of mine tho (too much sit-down pedalling). Local tailors sewed them up with better quality thread. They are more "trail" than "freeride".