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Death Penalty.
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Posted 2 years ago #
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No No and No again.
The issue should be about what works and the guage of that should be what prevents reoffending. Not in respct of individual cases, but as a whole, (otherwise the Daily Mail brigade will inevitably discover the exceptions that prove the rule.)
Hanging people doesn't work. The level of crime that warranted a death sentence has not substantially changed capital punishment or no, and thats pretty much a worldwide experience not just in the UK (It is a given that dead person will not reoffend incidentally, but that is not the point here)
Locking people up does not generally lead to a reduction in reoffending. So its fairly obvious that we need to do something else.
Personally I'd fund the criminal justice system properly and judge outcomes and therefore salaries by recidivism rates, and simply leave it to the pros to resolve. I might even consider making it illegal to use it as a political football.
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100% No.
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No, life means life though.
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No, life means life though.
Surely not if they are truly sorry. I mean... wheres your compassion and sense of forgiveness?
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how about putting people in a paralysed state like that poor german/austria/belgian bloke.
feed them with a hose, no movements,(and therefore little upkeep im guessing compared to keeping a prison undercontrol?) and the rest of thier lives to lie there and think about how naughty theve been?
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Some people seem to be deriving too much ghoulish pleasure from this.
Please remember, the withdrawal of liberty is THE punishment. People aren't supposed to go into prison and then be punished.
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I always think of this quote from 'Lord of the Rings' when it comes to the Death Penalty:
Gandalf the Grey:
"Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
Says it all really...
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No, never, under any circumstances.
Some of the posts on here are frankly a bit disturbing and sadistic. I think that as long as people think that these thoughts are rational and reasonable responses we shouldn't even entertain the idea of capital punishment.
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Such as the karma of those who kill ...
The attachment to life and the attachment to death.
Painful it is for both.
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Blimey, i have just read through this thread. One conclusion - there are some real loons on the internet!
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No.
Interesting recent article in the wooly minded bleading heart liberal Grauniad
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/texas-death-penalty-execution-usPosted 2 years ago # -
AndyP - Member
No, no and thrice no.The only person in the world remotely deserving the death penalty is on her way out anyway and suffering from Alzheimer's. Got my dancing shoes ready.
OMG - Not Cherie Blair?!!!!
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yes
and use their organs for donation and make some use out of them
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No.
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yes, and even for really minor offences.
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Hang em by their unmentionables, kill em, then get a DeLorean, a flux capacitor and some other stuff, go back in time, and hang em again. What a load of old shi*e!
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No except for bike theft.
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That was a 'no' from me, by the way.
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Many yes arguments including (but not limited to):-
Saving taxpayers money on housing lifers.
Ultimate deterrent for murder.
Price of McDonalds must come down with such a surfeit of raw ingredients!
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Paedophiles and child killers - get rid of them - yes.
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Ultimate deterrent for murder
The problem with 'unlawfull killing' is that it encompasses a vast scope of circumstances. What would you do with the woman that has been systematically abused over may years by her husband, who suddenly 'snaps' and stabs her husband to death? Hanging or somesuch would hardly be a deterrent to her...
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Old Git Surrey - Member
Many yes arguments including (but not limited to):-Saving taxpayers money on housing lifers.
Ultimate deterrent for murder.
Common misconceptions if you don't mind me saying so.
America which does have the death penalty in some states disproves both of the above without need to resort to any sort of argument other than simply that.
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no, even if it were certain only guilty people would be killed.
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Just make sure they do the correct time in prison
Noe early out.If you can't grasp early release, and why it might be an important thing, than you haven't really grasped why people are sent to prison in the first place.
Crime, conviction and sentencing are in media daily. All our lives, every day. It shouldn't be difficult for anybody to understand.
(200 - toot toot)
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JacksonPollock - Member
Ultimate deterrent for murder
The problem with 'unlawfull killing' is that it encompasses a vast scope of circumstances. What would you do with the woman that has been systematically abused over may years by her husband, who suddenly 'snaps' and stabs her husband to death? Hanging or somesuch would hardly be a deterrent to her...
exactly my thoughts....
I said yes earlier, But not to all murder, and I know this would be hard to enforce, but people like an abused woman snapping and killing her husband shouldn't be fully punished, as they are unlikely to be as dangerous to the public and a serial killer etc. very hard to enforce, and, of course, each case is different, and never open/closed.
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Yes. For heinous crimes that are clearly proven i.e. serial killers/rapists/paedophiles and mass murderers.
Whilst it may not be a deterrent it does prevent reoffending and before people say this isn't a reason, it is if it's you or your family who are raped/wounded/murdered etc by a thought to be but not really reformed or just time served individual.Society has a duty to seek to rehabilitate and we need to ensure everybody from whatever background has the support and resources to be a decent member of society BUT if they choose not to, and some do, it is society's primary duty to safeguard the law abiding majority.
I always feel that those against the death penalty seem to give less weight to the victims of reoffending and more to the possibility of 'hanging' an innocent person. Limiting the cases meriting the death penalty would reduce the number of miscarriages and completely prevent reoffending by those who gave up their right to fair treatment when they offended. No system is perfect but that's not an argument against one penalty anymore than it is against jailing people for life. I suspect if you were jailed incorrectly for the best 30 yrs of your life, you'd not feel all forgiving when justice was served and you were released.
I know it's not the strongest argument but I suspect the majority of those against would not be happy for the early released to live next door to them. The older I get the more tired I become of soft sentences and sufferable prison time that career criminals and the like see as an occupational hazard. I read about a woman who was surprisingly confronted in her local supermarket by the man who raped her two yrs earlier after he'd been released. I struggle to see the justice in that. Or the point in keeping people alive who have committed such heinous offences that they are considered unfit to ever be released or rehabilitated.
Draconian hang em and flog em rant over.Posted 2 years ago # -
i started this as a troll believe it or believe it not................
but i can't believe how many soft pc correct barstewards there are on here.
how the **** can you neysayers think that convicted paedo's/multi muderers/cannibals/sex murderers should be left to while their days away in a nice comfy cell, getting sky tv pumped in, and in some cases their fave porno mags.get with the **** programme you soft lefty shytes............
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i started this as a troll believe it or believe it not
I don't believe that at all ton...very unlike you
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If they come out and do it again Tar and Feather them
Your all to soft LOLPosted 2 years ago # -
Yes, By bongo.
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ton - Member
you are presuming i agree with the death penalty....actualy i do not.
ton - Member
i started this as a troll believe it or believe it not................
but i can't believe how many soft pc correct barstewards there are on here.
how the **** can you neysayers think that convicted paedo's/multi muderers/cannibals/sex murderers should be left to while their days away in a nice comfy cell, getting sky tv pumped in, and in some cases their fave porno mags.get with the **** programme you soft lefty shytes............
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deepreddave
So where are you going to draw the line between those who kill and don't get hung and those who do?
Are you prepared to accept that some innocent people will be hung? could be a member of your family that gets stitched up
If you want a death sentence then you have to be able to answer that
Ton - same applies to you - answer those qestions
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teej, bluntly...if you mrs goes out tonight and gets raped then murdered by some sicko, what do you want done
you answer that question.Posted 2 years ago #
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