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Deepreddave - being against the death penalty does not mean I support the status quo - I said in an earlier post that IMO there are people who should never be released and there are a whole load of other measures I would like to see as well
The two things are not linked. Reoffending could be reduced greatly ( although it is not as high as the daily wail would like you to think) without capital punishment.
The point about miscarriages of justice is absolutely crucial to the debate. There will allways be such and its bad enough that innocents get convicted without them being hung.
You do know the murder rate is at a 20 yr low and the stats on it cannot be fudged
Funny old day today, I mean 'funny', not one single inmate I'd like to 'pop off' Most were jovial & I helped one for an hour with a crossword (for which he was very grateful). Took the mick out of another who was completely off his face but he took it well. Watched the pool & table tennis from the 3's & had decent crack with quite a few dodgy boys, felt a tiny weeny bit sorry for one who'd smashed his cell up cos healthcare had screwed up yet again. So today, no I don't believe in the death penalty.
Tomorrow may be different!
TJ - ok, we agree the current system needs improvement at least 😀 I can't help but think more draconian measures would work though! 
TandemJeremy - MemberChewkw.
So how are you going to stop the misscaiges of justice then?
You don't think the above cases were "thoroughly investigated"
Obviously if you have corrupt/bias cops then no and hence the underhand tactics but it does not mean we become "hangman" happy too.
Deepred dave - find some evidence that it does. Indeed the evidence is the other way round - treating criminals well and keeping them out of prison seems to reduce offending.
Do Saudi Arabi and Kuwait count? think their homicide rates were lower even though they have the death penalty for crimes other than homicide. It's impossible to compare what works around the world due to differing social wealth etc. I'm pretty sure paying criminals £40k a year would help reduce crime further but it's hardly practical. making prison time more bearable doesn't seem to disincentivise career criminals. I'm not inclined to spend hours looking for stats on all manner of crimes but this came up on first page of google and sems to confirm all is not rolsy under our current increasingly liberal regime:
[b]The rates of reoffending for some of the most serious offences showed the biggest rises. There was a 13 per cent increase in the number of the most serious offences committed - including murder and rape - from 326 to 385[b].
I’ve got an idea how about a x-factor style executions???
get 4 judges to see how bad the crime are then get the public to vote???? 😯
defo rating winner , excusive interview in the Sun so we can all read about it.... sounds good doesn't it!!!!
whatever the reason ......killing someone is wrong and will always be wrong
how can a society put forward the message that murder is wrong and then punish it with murder !!!
is it just me or does that seem very very very wrong???
deepreddave ...I doubt any of us are defending the current system as perfect or ideal. IMHO it is neither a particular deterrent nor is it actually seriously attempting to rehabilitate.
Do you think economic conditions are in any way linked to crime rates and recidivism?
What do you think the average qualification level is of a convicted prisoner?
Do you think it is any different when they leave?
Do they have trade or job to go to on release?
Can they easily walk into jobs with a criminal record?
It is a complicated issue and whether we went all brutal and killed everyone for even menial crimes, three strikes and you are out, tough love,just give them a hug and some training/all liberal at the other extreme we would not stop crime from ever occuring
As neither system can actually stop ALL crime it is more a measure of our societies humanity than the criminals..... two wrongs do not make a right.
Junkyard - pretty much totally agree :D. tho' I'm less concerned about keeping the tiny few alive to evidence our humanity as against the risks of further innocents suffering (or the better things we could do with the money including looking to prevent why people do what they do although well aware we must have a few who are just not wired right from day one).