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123 posts & 30 voices | Started 2 years ago by roundwheels | Latest reply from mastiles_fanylion

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roundwheels - Member

just recently Ive had minor surgery on my Achilles,all has when well and on the road to recovery .but during my consult period i also complained about my knee and the response was its structurally fine so don't worry about it . so i go back today for check up Achilles is great ,so ask agian (different consultant)about my knee as its been sore of late and now this guy is sending me for MRI scan as he seems concerned about it as the pain is coming from just to the side of the knee cap.

this i find frustrating as i now need to tell my work that i need to get more time of my work. how come they couldn't of picked this up the first time around.

Posted 2 years ago #
AndyP - Member

you could always try paying for an MRI out of your own pocket?

Posted 2 years ago #
coffeeking - Member

Maybe it's one of those things that takes time to see and diagnose? It's highly possible that a non-nhs doc would have taken the same route, they're only human.

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

So they sending you for a MRI scan and your complaining?

Posted 2 years ago #
sofatester - Member

We have an NHS...whats your problem?

Posted 2 years ago #
Stoner - Member

BTW, did you know

In the United States, an MRI scan of the neck region costs about $1,500. In Japan, the identical scan costs $98. Under the pressure of cost controls, Japanese researchers found ways to perform the same diagnostic technique for one-fifteenth the American price. (And Japanese labs still make a profit.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/21/AR2009082101778_pf.html

Posted 2 years ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

He could be a weak consultant sending you for an MRI scan that he knows will show nothing in order to stop you complaining

Not saying that is the case but quite possible. Everyone wants scanned all the time but scanner time is costly and under pressure.

I had an injury to my elbow that didn't seem to be healing - GP referred me to the orthopaedic consultant. Before seeing the consultant I was sent to a very senior experienced physio who was basically screening for the orthapod. A decent chat with her - told the injury could take 6 months plus to heal, surgury was not indicated any way - and lo and behold she was right. One unneeded referral to the orthapod and one screening appointment that saved the orthapods time.

Posted 2 years ago #
roundwheels - Member

in fairness its taken 3 physios and now to consultants to spot this .but why did the first guy not send me for a MRI ?
(MRI = £1000)

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

So let me get this right ......... you tell the doc that you're a little concerned about your knee, they respond by telling you that it's "structurally fine so don't worry about it", you go back after a period of time saying it's no better/worse so they respond to that, by saying 'ok, let's send you for an MRI then ............ and now you are complaining about that ?

...........yeah, right, "bloody" NHS ....

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

in fairness its taken 3 physios and now to consultants to spot this .but why did the first guy not send me for a MRI

Knee injuries are notorious to diagnose and they often give time it's chance. First guy wouldn't send you as he felt there was no need, they cost money and some one else who needed it more would have to wait. Then there's the fact you've had problems with your Achilles they probably suspected it was this putting load on your knee. There's far more to it then "ooh my knees sore" "Ok let's get you down to theatre and we'll fix that this afternoon."

Posted 2 years ago #
coffeeking - Member

While medical training is fairly fixed, each doctor has their own methods of working. While it's possible that one was more reluctant to send you for an MRI than the next, why has it got anything to do with the NHS?

Posted 2 years ago #
Kuco - Member

I've had two MRI scans done this year and when I asked how much would it cost privately I was told anywhere from £700-£1200 per scan, depends on where I get it done. I can't complain about the nurses doctors as they have all been brilliant.

Posted 2 years ago #
roundwheels - Member

have to be honest i was looking for the guy to recommend me a good physio , but he thinks i have tore some thing hence the MRI

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

you could always try paying for an MRI out of your own pocket?

And why should he?

Posted 2 years ago #
BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

You could always go private or try fixing it yourself.

Listening to non-stop whinging is one of the "benefits" of working for the NHS. Fekkit, somethines I think I'd rather be Scottish Justice Minister.

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

And why should he?

He's not prepared to wait. He doesn't believe the Dr. They're refusing because there's no need.

Posted 2 years ago #
uplink - Member

Maybe you just weren't very good at conveying the problems to the doc?

Maybe you told him there is nothing wrong with you?

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

Some posts on hear do seem to suggest that people think the NHS is a privilege, not a right.

Posted 2 years ago #
Rich - Member

If one doctor does something not to your liking it's not the NHS' fault.

My Wife was seeing a consultant for her hips that she wasn't really happy with, as he just kept sending her to physio when it hadn't helped for 3 years. She asked for a second opinion from a Consultant who specialises in young adults with her condition. This consultant normally works in the private sector but he takes some NHS patients.

Anyway, she is now getting really good treatment from one of the best consultants in the country, has been booked in for an operation a lot of orthopaedic surgeons don't even offer, all on the NHS!

Bit long winded, but hopefully gets the point across how good the NHS can be.

Posted 2 years ago #
Smee - Blocked

TJ - Was that very senior experienced physio at the ERI? If so they are probably a consultant physio and earn around £95k, so still not cheap.

Posted 2 years ago #
uplink - Member

Some posts on hear do seem to suggest that people think the NHS is a privilege, not a right.

It is a right
But there's no right to any treatment that any hypochondriac may think they need

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

I wish more people would see it as a privilege and not just a right.

Posted 2 years ago #
roundwheels - Member

He's not prepared to wait. He doesn't believe the Dr. They're refusing because there's no need.

i had the choice to go private and not pay (work)for the first opp and am prepared to wait on the nhs as i personally think the waiting times are reasonable .its not that i dont believe the dr it why wait till now to take a look as this was my first problem!

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

I wish more people would see it as a privilege and not just a right.

Why is that? After all, it is a nationalised service set up to provide healthcare for all that need it. It is such a pity it doesn't deliver on its promises.

Posted 2 years ago #
theflatboy - Member

i've only just noticed this thread. i recently went to the doc to check out a few things, among them a dodgy knee with pain at various times coming from all round it.

they sent me for an xray straight away, after which i am now sorting out an appointment for an MRI scan. all went smoothly and quickly.

my advice would be move to hackney.

Posted 2 years ago #
uplink - Member

....... provide healthcare for all that need it

Need is very different to want

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

He doesn't believe the Dr.

From what I understand from the post, the Dr didn't believe the patient and now, after they had an opportunity to sort the other problem, another doctor has identified a possible problem . The OP DID tell them about the problem at the consult.

Posted 2 years ago #
TandemJeremy - Member

Goan no - and no physio earns that much I don't believe. That is more than a surgical consultant.

A senior physio attached to the orthapod team who runs surguries at various points around the city screening for the orthapod.

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

Need is very different to want

Agreed - but now they accept he did have a possible problem...

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

Why is that? After all, it is a nationalised service set up to provide healthcare for all that need it. It is such a pity it doesn't deliver on its promises

You right all that need it have that privilege but there's those don't need it and see it as a right that they should get some help. It's delivers on many of it's promises but like any industry or business it will some times fail. You saying they failed you somehow maternity with your twins?

Posted 2 years ago #
Smee - Blocked

M_F - if a large chunk of their funding didn't go on unnecessary procedures such as IVF, then maybe there would be enough left to provide better care for those who have an ailment that effects their quality of life.

The NHS is a privilege.

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

From what I understand from the post, the Dr didn't believe the patient and now, after they had an opportunity to sort the other problem, another doctor has identified a possible problem

I read it as he did and he checked it out couldn't see any problems, since then they are still not sure so are sending him for MRI to put him at ease and to rule it out.

Posted 2 years ago #
Smee - Blocked

TJ - Physios go up to band 9 which tops out at £95k. Sounds exactly the role that the consultant physio attached to ERI Ortho does.

Posted 2 years ago #
Drac - Moderator

M_F - if a large chunk of their funding didn't go on unnecessary procedures such as IVF, then maybe there would be enough left to provide better care for those who have an ailment that effects their quality of life.

OMG! Take cover everyone.

Posted 2 years ago #
mastiles_fanylion - Member

unnecessary procedures such as IVF

In my PCT no chunk goes on IVF as they do not provide the service.

The NHS is a privilege.

Which proves that you really don't have an idea what you are talking about.

Posted 2 years ago #