SFB - go away and actually learn something about what you prattle on about. On this one you are showing your ignorance and stupidity.
ignorance of course, I'm not a criminal, and I don't appear to have anything worth nicking (judging by how often I forget to lock my front door). Stupidity I dispute - I was just advancing a theory based on intuition
Indeterminate sentence then.
I for one will be glad to see the back of this case, as I really don't want to have to hear anything more about what happened. Hideous.
i'll be glad to see the back of it too
sadly incarceration will likely do little for these two, they were let down a long time ago by their parents and the state.
Lets hope they are put in a decent caring institution that genuinely attempts to cure them as opposed to continuing their criminal indoctrination. Such places do exist, they just don't make good news stories.
Did anyone else hear on Today on R4 this morning how Mr Camron's next brilliant move will be to use this horrifying case to demonstrate how labour have failed on justice over the last 13 years, and how it would be so much better under tory government?
Is he so desperate he has to turn even this into party politics?
Hmmm. Captain, as I said we have an underclass of people who we ignore and pretend don't exist...
Bring back Stocks! Let the community show their disgust at the behaviour, and after a few days of that, put them in a dark cell, and let them rot!
We don't need people like that, at all.
Bring back Stocks! Let the community show their disgust at the behaviour, and after a few days of that, put them in a dark cell, and let them rot!We don't need people like that, at all.
The question is not whether we need them or not. Perhaps this should happen to the parents, but even I struggle to see how 100% of the blame can be apportioned to the two children convicted
It has to lie with the parents.
Too many see kids as a way of getting money from the state (yes I know not all)
All I seam to hear from people I hear and come into contact with is "its my right to have kids" and see no separation from that and having responsibility for your kids in bringing them up well.
We have lost our way as a society whether we like it or not and the dreadful events like this will occur again and again.
So because they are children its the parents fault?
So what about adults who do the same? blame their parents to?
I fail to see the difference.
10/11 is old enough to take responsibility for their own actions.
A smack on the wrists and saying "kids will be kids" for things like this and anti-social behavior will not accomplish anything.
Look back through the years and you'll notice an increase in anti-social behavior and a decrease of ability to do anything about it.
When I was a kid and did something wrong I got a good ole smack, and I turned out fine (mostly). I'm sure the most of you also were brought up with 'spare the rod, spoil the child', Which worked.
We're just all getting soft, in case it might hurt someones feelings.
These kids are a good example of what can happen when kids don't have boundaries, I'm bored so lets beat the cr*p out of those two kids there...
It's not just the parents fault, you find it everywhere.
That's my 10p anyway.
Look back through the years and you'll notice an increase in anti-social behavior and a decrease of ability to do anything about it.
Quite simply utter rubbish.
What happens now is you hear more about it not that it happens more.
When I was a kid and did something wrong I got a good ole smack, and I turned out fine
which means you ignored the lesson that bad behaviour can be cured by violence
It has to lie with the parents.
so what? Nothing you do to the parents will fix the kids, so it's mere tokenism.
Zokes, you are entering the whole nuture vs nature debate....
I am not saying humans are dogs, or foxes, but did you see the Horizon about dogs? There was a Russian experiment ( still going) where they bread foxes, and deliberately bred tame and overtly ferral animals. After 7 generations, the tame genetics and the ferral genetics were obvious. They then put ferral pups with tame mums and visa versa. No change in their initial traits, so it proves to a certain extent that behaviour patterns are genetic!
They are mammals, so make up your own mind.
Our society is tiered as much as it ever was, and we are essentially (not exclusive to the UK) creating a rod for our own backs. I don't have any answers, and I wouldn't want to be the judge making the ruling on this case.
Saying all that, my previous judgement stands. If they had done this to my child, I'd be after re-instating the death penalty.
Quite simply utter rubbish.What happens now is you hear more about it not that it happens more.
I disagee, 10years ago I'd quite happily walk through a council estate with no issues. Now its a completely different matter.
20years ago I could of played as a child in the front garden without worry, no I would not let a kid play in a front garden on a council estate for fear of things being thrown or the insults that would also be thrown etc.
I could go further back but Im not sure if its worth the argument.
A smack on the wrists and saying "kids will be kids" for things like this and anti-social behavior will not accomplish anything.
Would you like to illustrate just how much more reformed they'd be after spending a good few years being 'educated' by real criminals?
simonb256 I agree totally.
Today no one takes responsibility and there are always "factors", to me bad parenting that costs society should be landed back at parents.
We have no go areas in our country based on a thuggish minority.
Less arms around them and more them taking responsibility.
Right i'm off for a ride now, rant over
What system will fix this then?
More police?
Whatever-it is all about Money.
simonb256
Whereas 30 yrs ago knife crime was far higher than it is now. Where I grew up was far more dangerous than it is now. ( Glasgow)
Its not that crime has increased its that fear of crime has increased. Seriously perhaps it was safer in the 50s but life is safer now than ever for most people. Look at murder rates which cannot be fudged.
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