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  • Smee
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    …looks like it is getting closer as they have now started their consultation.

    The knock on effects of this should bring the Inners chairlift a bit closer too.

    That is all.

    AndyPaice
    Member

    “The knock on effects of this should bring the Inners chairlift a bit closer too.”

    😀 Even better if I can get some work out if it too 😉

    Smee
    Member

    Was it you that started a thread asking about the chances of getting into the mtb industry and working in the borders? If so, you’ll still need to join the back of a very long queue for that one. 😀

    Premier Icon rOcKeTdOg
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    wind powered chair lift?
    “raise the main sail Mr Christian!”

    Smee
    Member

    Part of the deal to build the wind farm apparently pays for the chair lift or a fairly big chunk of it.

    AndyPaice
    Member

    “Was it you that started a thread asking about the chances of getting into the mtb industry and working in the borders? If so, you’ll still need to join the back of a very long queue for that one. [:D] “

    I wish ! I do ground investgations and have worked on windfarm sites before, would be fantastic to work on the inners chairlift 😀

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Huh?

    This thread had loads more posts on it did it not?

    No chance of a chairlift at Innerleithan. The financial case makes no sense whatsoever. It includes for example 1000 tourists a week every week going up to see the view paying £7 a time – that is really going to happen if there is a windfarm. It also states every DHer in the UK will go there 20 weekends a year and more MTBers will use the chairlift than currently visit the tweed valley.

    Smee – Member

    Part of the deal to build the wind farm apparently pays for the chair lift or a fairly big chunk of it.

    Really? where d you get that from. Evidence please

    Its a dead duck

    druidh
    Member

    Teej – that was a separate thread (Whistler vs Tweed Valley)

    Smee
    Member

    TJ – that has always been how they were going to fund it.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Evidence Smee – evidence. How about you back up your ridiculous assertions with some evidence.

    This was not in any of the documents I saw. I really can see an electricity company paying millions for a chair lift as part of planning permission. anyway having a windfarm will kill the tourism aspect of it.

    Druidh – ta – I thought I had finally lost the plot totally

    Smee
    Member

    It wasn’t in any documents you saw – so that means that it can’t be happening. My mistake, I’d forgotten you were the oracle. 🙄

    I doubt very much that a windfarm would kill the tourism aspect of it when you consider that by far the biggest proportion of people come here to ride bikes.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Smee – stop being an offensive numpty. I said it wasn’t in the documents I saw not that it was not in any documents about funding for the chairlift so I would like to know where you get your information from.

    Tourism – one of the proposed revenue streams is to have hundreds of tourists – not bikers – going up there paying £7 for the privilege -do you really think they will do that if the view is of a windfarm?

    I can’t find the main documents I saw but how about this?

    “All sounds good so far, although some of the market research backing the plan up seems perhaps a little bit iffy. Having interviewed over 1,500 people, the consultants have concluded that 7% of the population “undertake mountain biking”. Taken nationally, that would suggest that there are 4.25 million mountain bikers in the UK, which leads us to wonder where they’re all hiding. Apparently 1.3 million mountain bikers live within a four-hour drive of Innerleithen, and while we’d love to believe that, we can’t help thinking that that figure relies on a somewhat loose definition of “mountain biker”. Focussing on the definite enthusiasts reveals that downhillers would use a lift at Innerleithen an impressive 23 times a year on average, although it’s not clear whether a “time” means a day or if, say, a week-long trip counts as only one “time”. “

    “The new bike park plan is described as being “fully commercial”, which suggests that it’s supposed to pay for itself although clearly it’s going to need some substantial funding to get off the ground in the first place.”

    From http://www.innerleithen.tv/forums/topic-36799-innerleithens-chairlift-plan

    also the same article is on bike magic

    Smee
    Member

    TJ – from where I am sitting it is you that is being the offensive numpty.

    druidh
    Member

    Just been looking at some figures actually. Based on a larger farm (27 turbines) with a local income of £81k pa, a smaller 12 turbine farm at Minch Moor might only generate a local income of around £36k pa. That doesn’t sound like very much. Of course, that would be supplemented by lift fees, but I can’t see that £36k pa makes it that much more attractive in the great scheme of things.

    druidh
    Member

    TJ – you could site a dozen turbines at the right bit of the Cairngorm plateau and they’d not be seen by the tourists at the Ptarmigan, so I don’t see that one precludes the other.

    Kit
    Member

    I wish ! I do ground investgations and have worked on windfarm sites before, would be fantastic to work on the inners chairlift

    Andy, so far as I am aware, a chunk of SI has already been done for the chairlift down by the river and the lower slopes of the hill, but as always there could be another phase of investigations and I’m sure there’ll be further work up the hill required. What sort of work do you do? Do you run competitor rigs or the like?

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Smee – please tell me the source of your information. Or did you make it up?

    Smee
    Member

    TJ – we get this newsletter posted through the door each month. It contains the community councils minutes and other local goings on.

    Then there was the letter that came from the folk that are planning the windfarm….

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Dream on boy. It ain’t gonna happen.

    Smee
    Member

    Right you are old man.

    Premier Icon wonny j
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    Oi TJ where is your evidence? You seem to be quoting from another website, hardly quality evidence?

    Evidence TandemJermey – evidence please.

    Perhaps you have the Scottish Border Tourist Stategy 2009/10 to hand and to link. Or maybe some reports that were quoted on the internet blog site that you have linked above? (e.g. the actual presentation made by the Tourism Resources Company)

    Since when was innerleithen.tv definitive? You’d be better off asking grannies in the tea shops than believing anything published on that link. Did you write it?

    headset
    Member

    I’m looking forward to the local consultation on Tuesday but can’t see me walking away happy. The proposed site covers part of (half) the XC route and the Southern Upland Way, from an outdoorsy point of view, what else has this end of the Tweed got going for it if not easy access to some great tracks and trails? Certainly not a chairlift yet!

    spooky_b329
    Member

    I can’t see a windfarm reducing tourism/use of a chairlift much…I like em and last time I was riding in Wales and saw some, I stopped to take a photo of the view. I can’t be the only wierdo as a couple of other people stopped to take a look and make a comment about them. (not negative, just pointing it out the their mates as something of interest.

    ivnickkate
    Member

    TJ, look up http://www.walkerburn.com/ , if this doesn’t work, put ” burning issue walkerburn ” into google etc, for the latest up-to-date community, police and council topics in the Walkerburn metropolis. I think that this is the newsletter that Smee is referring to.

    Premier Icon jimmy
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    Tourism – one of the proposed revenue streams is to have hundreds of tourists – not bikers – going up there paying £7 for the privilege -do you really think they will do that if the view is of a windfarm?

    One of the positive aspects of windfarms can be the attraction of tourists .

    evidence evidence evidence. can provide journals on it too, if required.

    Your neck of the woods – Dirt issue 81, headtube.

    “Dis you see all the quarrying going on at Innerleithen during the last two races, 100ft tall piles of stone ready for the footings of the chailift”

    Now even if 100ft is an exageration, that a lot of stone to be ordering for no reason if TJ’s rght?

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    I don’t think there is even a planning application in yet

    Smee
    Member

    TJ – You are so far behind the times with this….

    GW
    Member

    TJ – do you ever even ride at innerleithen? why you are so interested in argueing your point on these threads eludes me.

    thisisnotaspoon – You clueless noob 🙄

    Kit
    Member

    lol at the quote from Dirt! Like the sole purpose of any quarrying at Innerleithen is for bikers 🙂

    no idea how accurate dirt is/was, just quoting what I read.

    only downside to a chairlift i can see is that its going to result in even more race’s being held at Innerleithen. May as well scrap the NPS and add an extra category to the SDA events!

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    GW – I have ridden innerleithan XC a few times.

    I keep on debating about the chairlift it because its pie in the sky and Smee and others are talking such tripe about it. There is absolutly zero chance of it getting built. The financial case is rubbish, there is no planning application lodged yet, there is no funding in place.

    However I will shut up about it now.

    GW
    Member

    WTF’s innerleithen XC got to do with a chairlift? 🙄

    of course it’s pie in the sky, but you really don’t know very much about it either way, you’re just coming across as determined to get a chance to call smee an arse and will argue whether you know what you’re talking about or not.

    thisisnotaspoon – Are you by any chance a reletively new reader of “Dirt”? – “innerleithen chairlift” has been an ongoing joke in Jon’s wee column since he started writing it for them back in the ’90s

    stumpyjumper
    Member

    aww c’mon boys dont stop now iv`e just got a cuppa…..

    i thought i just heard smee say something about your mum TJ.

    been reading since about issue 40 or so.

    I always presumed it was the truth!

    druidh
    Member

    GW – Member

    WTF’s innerleithen XC got to do with a chairlift?

    Because the proposal included extensions to the existing XC track plus additional easier routes to encourage more users.

    of course it’s pie in the sky, but you really don’t know very much about it either way, you’re just coming across as determined to get a chance to call smee an arse and will argue whether you know what you’re talking about or not.

    I think that’s working both ways. seems like anyone arguing it’s not going to happen is branded as “anti-chairlift”, whereas I don’t think that’s the case.

    It’s also worth noting that detailed planning permission for the windfarm hasn’t yet been submitted either, and since it might straddle both the existing XC route and the SUW RoW, that’s not a foregone conclusion.

    GW
    Member

    spoon – issue 40 of Dirt is over 6 years of missed copies, so I’d imagine you’ve missed a lot of the..er.. oh, so funny “in-jokes” over the years 😉

    Druidh – didn’t realise TJ had a “minder” these days :roll:, he cannae even spell the place properly 😆

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    GW – thats right – mock the afflicted. Not my fault I cannot spell 😉

    proteus
    Member

    ah, hiding this one away on the chat forum eh?

    the windfarm cash ain’t going to to pay for the chairlift either.

    Spunkmonkey
    Member

    Vattenfall have not committed to spend anything on the chairlift and their application has not been approved anyway.

    There has been no planning application submitted for the chairlift as yet, however, a substantial amount of funding is in place should it go ahead.

    Source: Me! All in the public domain though.

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