grum – Member
And whatever you might think about how adults should have better personal responsibility, the constant and massive marketing of unhealthy food to children is in my opinion deeply immoral.

+1

wrecker – Member
There are a pajillion “experts” who will all tell you different ways to achieve the same thing (this is what I was getting at a few pages ago). These experts will slant science to support their views generally. The information out there is very contradictory and confusing.

And this ^^^.
There is very little unbiased science involved with the food industry. And actual scientific results, rather than conclusions and evaluations are very rarely available to joe public. The cross-over between science and marketing is so blurred as to be indistinguishable so the consumer can be told to buy almost anything with some “scientific” advice to tell them its “healthy”.
The independent scientific research that is available is generally shot down or contradicted by the food industry sponsored “Science-marketing”, but importantly, it is not being discredited. This means the government will eventually be forced to take some action here as the facts are finally being uncovered and circulated. But we’re at the start of a change, that will take some time. I’m not a fan of America’s overuse of litigation, but believe it will take some court cases to enable proper change. Doctor’s used to advertise cigarettes in the same way.

the drive to be “beautiful” is just as bad as the fact that there are more obese people, the whole ‘cut’ look for blokes and ridiculously thin look for girls is building a society with massive amounts of people with an unhealthy attitude to food, whether that’s too much or too less of it.

wise words

there’s also the new phenomenon on the gym ” counters ” who base their workout intensity on the number of calories they are trying to burn off based on the previous day’s indulgences !!!!

Robert Lustig Sugar:The Bitter Truth
HighFructoseCornSyrup

too less of it.

too little, surely? ;]

Only if you show that they knew all the health problems at the time
Or, to look at it another way.
Coke replaced sugar with HFCS, without knowing or caring about the outcome, outside of making more profit.
How responsible is that ?.
🙂

loum.
Good post.
🙂

the drive to be “beautiful” is just as bad as the fact that there are more obese people

Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.

I just ate half a kilo of food for lunch.

*burp*

Interesting subject….massive subject actually, people can and do make a career from nutrition, diets, etc….

Best shape i was ever in was a few years ago, aged 30 and kickboxing twice a week (2 x 2 hour long sessions), i’d eat 2 weetabix with milk for breakfast, have a sandwich at lunch, a banana mid afternoon and a simple evening meal (typically tuna and pasta or chicken and rice), alcohol only at the weekend and no sweets, crisps etc….if i went for a meal i’d always skip desert, drank plenty of water too.

Pretty spartan existence but i’ve never felt or looked better, my fitness was the best since school too….this really isnt rocket science.

A few simple pointers:

Calories are simply units of measurement, you cannot hold a calorie in your hand….it works like this: 1 gram of fat contains roughly 8 calories (of energy), 1 gram of protein has roughly 4 calories and 1 gram of sugar/carbohydrate has roughly 4 calories also.

Therefore high fat foods are calorie dense foods….that doesnt mean they’re bad though…some fat is still required for healthy body functions….it just means go easy with it as its very easy to exceed your daily calorie requirements very early in the day by eating fatty foods.

Carbohydrates are chains of sugars….essentially they are one and the same but your body will break down a simple sugar quickly (instant energy) but will have to work harder on the chains of sugars (carbohydrates) in rice for example, giving you sustained energy.

Protein is protein….bodybuilders get funny about the bio availability of the stuff and prioritise whey protein over most others, then chicken, eggs, turkey, beef etc….pork is considered poor quality but for the lay person it doesnt matter….protein in needed for tissue repair….in extremis you body will use protein for energy if it isnt getting sufficient calories from sugars and carbs first.

Excess calories (from any foodstuff – fat, sugar, doesnt matter) will be stored as adipose tissue….body fat in other words.
If you want to lose fat then create a calorie deficit, your body will then eat into your fat reserves….easy….really really easy….but requires will power and seeing as most of us (me included) enjoy eating the it becomes a chore and we fail.

Cut back on the calorie intake too quickly and your body will go into shock and slow its metabolism down to a crawl making weight loss even harder….cut calories slowly to avoid this crash, a cup of coffee in the morning helps to get things moving too.

Cutting calories by excluding an entire foodstuff is bad news….the Atkins diet works but having no carbs in your system will leave you lethergic and seeing as your brain can only fuel on sugar alone you will likely be mentally jaded too….a mate competes in bodybuilding shows and during the last few weeks of his contest prep he cuts carbs from his diet altogether and its like talking to somebody with brain damage.

Th old expression about ‘anything in moderation’ pretty much holds true….if your diet mainly consists of sugars and you are not particularly active then cut back and add some protein instead….likewise if you eat a lot of fat cut some out and instead stick some slow burning carbs/sugars in there instead.

Basically if it looks fatty, greasy, tastes sugary, tastes salty etc then its probably junk and part of the reason most of us are overweight….trouble is these foods smell and taste good.

Dont get hung up on the sugars/carbs in fruit, yes some of them are very simple and will be metabolised almost instantly….this is no bad thing….a good burst of energy pre ride for example….plus the amount of calories in fruit is so small that you’d need to be grazing on the stuff from morning to night to get fat on fruit!

In short, take regular exercise, create a small calorie deficit, even up the ratio of carbs to protein you eat each day and reduce your fat intake….when you reach your desired weight slowly increase the carbs again until your weight remains static…simple.

Coke replaced sugar with HFCS, without knowing or caring about the outcome, outside of making more profit.
How responsible is that ?.

You don’t know that though, whether they knew or cared about what it would do

We’ve got used to eating more than we need.

If you want to lose fat then create a calorie deficit, your body will then eat into your fat

Really? There’s some on here (and elsewhere) who disagree.

Deviant, can I suggest you read all the old iDiet threads, so we don’t have to rehash them all over again?

Solo will be along shortly with a video for you to watch.

🙂

Coke replaced sugar with HFCS, without knowing or caring about the outcome, outside of making more profit.
How responsible is that ?.

HFCS is basically sugar+water, it doesn’t strike me as unreasonable for a company to expect it to have the same outcome as the previously used ingredient.

Personally I’m more concerned about increasing portion sizes, and the tendency to stick sugar (in whatever form) into everything these days.

A few simple pointers:

you state all that as if it is fact. Can i ask what leads you to those conclusions? I am not qualified any more than i eat stuff and read stuff; but i disagree with at least 1 or 2 of those points.

but having no carbs in your system will leave you lethergic and seeing as your brain can only fuel on sugar alone you will likely be mentally jaded too….

Carbs have completely the opposite effect on me. Carbs make me tired and lethargic. Protein makes me feel energised.

Also there is some evidence to suggest that the brain works better on ketones than it does on glucose.

slimjim78 – Member

Yesterdays Grub-

Breakfast – several cups of black tea
Lunch – tinned tuna, salad, loads of garden peas
Snack – white choccie biscuit from spain (damned colleagues)
Pre Ride hunger snack – cashew nuts, 2x chicken drumsticks, several salami slices
Post ride meal – big bowl of Raisin Wheats with whole milk (a moment of weakness, but they were very nice none the less)

That seems like quite a small amount of food. No breakfast and no real evening meal. How long was your ride?

Solo will be along shortly with a video for you to watch.

You’ll be needing a comfortable seat and popcorn
Unless you have an epiphany half way through the epic and become a devotee

Next thing you know you’ll be accosting strangers in the street to hear your great news 😀

You’ll be needing a comfortable seat and popcorn
Unless you have an epiphany half way through the epic and become a devotee

Next thing you know you’ll be accosting strangers in the street to hear your great news

I think that it also
has a strange effect upon line breaks
making you type in what looks like
but isn’t
poetry

MIKETUALLY has the cruelest post, leaving
Poor solo out of sorts, mixing
Information and polemic, stirring
Dull posters with warm words.

Probably a sugar-high, bringing the poet out in me.

I think
this is about to get interesting.
Choccy biccie anyone?

Are they low GI biccies?

I prefer the term low GL in this instance

Has molgrips been in yet?

…and has anyone said move more, eat less to him? 🙂

molly on holly(day) in the states at present, and yeti banned still.

I think that it also
has a strange effect upon line breaks
making you type in what looks like
but isn’t
poetry

Just a shit phone

Are they low GI biccies?

Who cares?
I’m on the day off from the diet, which is confusing because it’s not really a diet, it’s a lifstyle thing. I’m on a weekly day off from my lifestyle. Which probably means it has now become a part of that said lifestyle and can’t be considered a day off at all. I can see why these threads get so long now…
Do you want a bloody biscuit or not??? 👿

glenh – Member
slimjim78 – Member
Yesterdays Grub-

Breakfast – several cups of black tea
Lunch – tinned tuna, salad, loads of garden peas
Snack – white choccie biscuit from spain (damned colleagues)
Pre Ride hunger snack – cashew nuts, 2x chicken drumsticks, several salami slices
Post ride meal – big bowl of Raisin Wheats with whole milk (a moment of weakness, but they were very nice none the less)

That seems like quite a small amount of food. No breakfast and no real evening meal. How long was your ride?

Sounds like a crap diet to me.

That seems like quite a small amount of food. No breakfast and no real evening meal. How long was your ride?

Only 45 mins last night.
But I did eat plenty the day before as I was at a restaurant for a family occasion, which involved chocolate cake. and creme brulee. whats a man to do?

1h30mins riding today, plus 1500m open water swim.

Todays grub

Breakfast – 3x bacon rashers + boiled egg
Lunch – Haloumi + Onion Salad, Pint of beer (colleague leaving company)
Snacks – none yet (does black tea count?)
Tea – probably meat + 2 veg tonight. Spicy style.

Will probably have something carby for a snack today due to level of traning.

Do you want a bloody biscuit or not???

How about a jaffa cake?

Sounds like a crap diet to me.

why so?
admittedly yesterday wasn’t my finest moment, but it did contain some complex carbs, proteins, fats.. and certainly not a vast amount of sugar (but alot more than I usually consume)

anyone else? was that a particularly crap day’s food?

Here you go, old chap.

They’re not biscuits.

Blimey, that’s not going to do my lifestyle any good.

With ref to the earlier brief discussion of fructose good/bad, having just watched this video & assuming this guy’s science is correct, I can see why it should be considered “bad”!

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM[/video]

They’re not biscuits.

Pfft! Next you’ll be telling me the iDave diet isn’t a diet either.

If you want to lose fat then create a calorie deficit, your body will then eat into your fat

Really? There’s some on here (and elsewhere) who disagree.

Probably people looking for any excuse not to change their diet

😉

You don’t know that though, whether they knew or cared about what it would do

Nah, you’re right.
I just make stuff up.
🙂

Well, best we ask Hank.

And my original point was Coke replaced sugar for HFCS as HFCS was 30 percent cheaper at the time.
Within the context some were discussing Corporate responsibilty towards the public.

Hank:

Hank Cardello, the former head of marketing at Coca-Cola, tells me that in 1984, Coke in the US swapped from sugar to HFCS (In the UK, it continued to use sugar). As a market leader, Coke’s decision sent a message of endorsement to the rest of the industry, which quickly followed suit. There was “no downside” to HFCS, Cardello says. It was two-thirds the price of sugar, and even the risk of messing with the taste was a risk worth taking when you looked at the margin, especially as there were no apparent health risks. At that time, “obesity wasn’t even on the radar” says Cardello.

Obesity was on the radar.
Just not at Coke a Cola Towers.

😉

Pedal head.
Thats the exact same conclusion I came to and I think Prof Lusitg’s work is pretty sound.

Slim Jim, our resident (albeit banned) expert TSY says your diet is crap btw.

This thread isn’t the same without iMolly or TSY 😥