Why do average sized men wear badly fitting trousers?

gives me the boke.

*please not be a euphemism, please not be a euphemism*

I know I’m not a man but I’m an average height woman and women’s trousers and jeans are often way too long. Designed for women who are 6 ft tall. My jeans are always trampled on at the bottom.

Why do lots of jeans have such low waists? I wear mostly Quicksilver regular/loose in a 36 (job lot, cheap, don’t ask) To get the waist up high enough so I’m not revealing myself the crotch has to be so high it’s about to cut off circulation. I’m not into the fast-talking-high-trousers style but I’d like the waist to be at waist height not level with my freckle. Who are these new-fangled slacks meant to fit, eunuchs?

Perchy has the length.
Why do so many blokes wear trousers that are so clearly the wrong size? A lot of blokes across all age groups are carrying – ahem – a little surplus timber; strides that are too tight cause ‘bulges’.

On the subject of sartorial standards, why do so many blokes think that scruffy, scuffed shoes are acceptable in a ‘professional’ environment. Don’t ask what I mean by ‘professional’ environment – you know what I mean. You’re at work ffs representing your employer; you’re not on a site.
Before anyone suggests it, I’m not saying that sartorial standards take precedence over performance or capability.
Clients take decisions on a wide range of considerations and, for some, the presentation and appearance of their suppliers’ representatives is important – because it represents the company they are considering trading with.

@vickypea; my suggestion is to find a good alteration tailor and stick with them. I don’t where you’re based but Stitches – Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham and maybe some other cities – are excellent.

If all else fails, bespoke is your answer.

Off to polish my shoes now 😆

Any recommendations where I can buy an pair of 32/32, flat front, slim fit chinos that are of a reasonable quality but don’t cost 80 or a 100 quid? Something that keeps their colour after a few washes?

Ah trousers – guaranteed to make me rage.
At 5’9″ and 30″ waist, I’m skinny, but not crazily so.
M&S are now blacklisted for any shopping as visits over a number of years resulted in a grand total of 0 styles available. 😡
Debenhams had 5 from about 30 different colour/style combinations.
Not sure if this is a UK wide thing, or a result of shopping in a city where waist size and height are often interchangeable.

M&S are now blacklisted for any shopping as visits

M&S are a fashion free zone anyway. I wouldn’t shop there unless forced by someone with a pointy stick

M&S are a fashion free zone anyway. I wouldn’t shop there unless forced by someone with a pointy stick

I am also a fashion free zone, so wouldn’t let that worry me!

it’s because people don’t know how to dress themselves, the amount of times I see people wearing pointed brown shoes with skinny blue jeans! 😆

On the subject of sartorial standards, why do so many blokes think that scruffy, scuffed shoes are acceptable in a ‘professional’ environment. Don’t ask what I mean by ‘professional’ environment – you know what I mean.

I was talking to a 30 year old colleague a few weeks ago, explaining the very existence of shoe polish. He’s worked in your standard suited and booted financial services environment for nearly ten years..

M&S are a fashion free zone anyway.

For good quality suit trousers, such as I have to wear every work day, they’re excellent.

You can tell a man by his shoes, as my old dad used to say, and he’s right.

Dress down a Friday today, guaranteed to bring out the best Ralph Loren pink polo shirt competition (piqued collar, obvz)

So far I’ve seen two, one a tawdry pale vomit of a baggy thing and a white “oh so tight, don’t breath or let your belly breath” effect.. I expect more, it’s still early here..

Dress down Friday at the AXA offices in Brizzle used to be great, or, as we used to call it “Slaggy Friday”

You can tell a man by his shoes, as my old dad used to say, and he’s right.

sort of…Many years ago when shoes were expensive and needed to last it made sense to polish and look after them. Most of my team will buy a £10 pair from Shoe Zone or Wyndsors, 1. they’re made of plastic anyway, 2. the soles last about 6 months regardless.

I suppose I could be one of the blokes you’re referring to, IHN. I wear ill-fitting jeans not because I can’t find clothes to fit but because I can’t be bothered to go shopping so continue to wear the jeans I wore when I was a few sizes larger. I can actually get into them without undoing the fly or top button – they just slip right over my hips.

Look awful but are seriously comfortable.

Dockers?

I have some Brooks Brothers ones that are really nice, but they were very expensive (until I saw them for about £20 in the sale!)

why do so many blokes think that scruffy, scuffed shoes are acceptable in a ‘professional’ environment. Don’t ask what I mean by ‘professional’ environment – you know what I mean. You’re at work ffs representing your employer

Come to the university. It’s not unusual for professors to turn up in skate shoes/ shorts/ flipflops.

Thing is it’s worse when they put on a suit!

nowadays there is more emphasis on, especially footwear and to a degree socks of showing them off, they are fashion statements in themselves.

this. But also don’t forget that if you don’t wear them turned up, no-one will know you’re wearing £200 selvedge jeans 😡

Any recommendations where I can buy an pair of 32/32, flat front, slim fit chinos that are of a reasonable quality but don’t cost 80 or a 100 quid? Something that keeps their colour after a few washes?

Ralph Lauren outlet stores.

Usually pay about £40 a pair

Gents, cheers for the suggestions for reasonable quality trews. Will investigate.

I always assumed it was white guys trying to dress like black guys.

I thought it said Batley fitting trousers. Like Hebden Bridge, but elsewhere. Anyway:

Half Masters as we called them at school, perhaps we of a certain age should shout at them “what happened, did your cat die?”

young lad 19/20 at work didn’t know about the levi’s brand.

young lad 19/20 at work didn’t know about the levi’s brand.

Don’t ask what I mean by ‘professional’ environment – you know what I mean. You’re at work ffs representing your employer

I’m there to do the job, get paid and leave. Dress for the job, which in my case doesn’t involve having to impress anyone. Though I am also my employer 😀 , but I work at client office at times. They don’t need impressing, and wouldn’t care. Besides, even casual jeans and shirt look is overdressed compared to some I work with.

…also referred to as ‘half-masters’ in my school days….. followed by hurling abuse…. who died etc

No-one needs to see your ankles at work – especially naked ankles! 😐

this. But also don’t forget that if you don’t wear them turned up, no-one will know you’re wearing £200 selvedge jeans

Ha! My Japanese selvedge jeans cost me £38, with no stupid rips or unsightly stitching all over the place, and I always have a bit of a turnup to make people think they’re £250 selvedge jeans. 😀

trousers that are flapping around a good couple of inches above their ankle

It’s the modern/American style. Let’s you show off your taste in socks. Or as a few have said your taste in denim. I tend to buy made in America denim though it is less than £200/pair.

Feeling blubbery in the knowledge that I have a 33″/34″ waist at about 5’9″ rather than the 32″/33″ that the OP cited.

@kenny – I’m not bothered about ‘dressing to impress’; you’re welcome to your very narrow interpretation.

A hypothetical question….you’re a client meeting two prospective suppliers but can award work to only one of them; they are comparable on price, delivery, quality, customer service metrics, you can work with either company and like their respective people; subjectivity then kicks in – what ‘arbitrary’ measure can I use to help me decide?

Surprise, surprise….appearance and presentation come into play.

Other cultures – asian and chinese/japanese in particular – are very attuned to presentation as it is a measure of ‘respect’ for the client or host.

Step forward CaptainFlashy to comment on the importance of appearance and presentation in continental, global and inter-galactic trade negotiations.

IHN ^^^ has it regarding shoes.

I feel very fortunate to have been able to carry out my work to very near 100% customer satisfaction wearing cargo trousers/army shorts and a t shirt. I do one of those proles jobs that makes things work rather than just making someone lazier than me a lot of money.

UK men wear badly fitting clothes because they simply wouldn’t know if something fitted well, as a nation we are some of the worst dressed in Europe.
Which is surprising when you consider it’s the British and the Italians who have defined the cut of men’s tailoring for over a century.

^^^ yawn; I’m talking in general terms – not about you specifically, lazlo; you are implying some differentiation between ‘proles’ and others who are lazier exploiting you to make a lot of more money.
You say they are lazier than you; you are, effectively, saying that you are lazy.
It would help your argument if you focussed on the facts; maybe that’s to big an ask………….