thisisnotaspoonGo on then, point out any rose, or canyon frame with common frame tubes/parts to a bike from another company?
I think you've missed my point, but that's okay. Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough.
Canyon bikes look like Canyon bikes,
If you took the stickers off they look like any number of modern bikes imo. I'm not saying they are the same though.
both have quite distinctive silouettes.
Again, the silhouettes are that of most others. Check out the bike lists at the back of WMB. There's 3 or 4 basic silhouettes that 95% of modern FS fit in to.
I bought a brand new Santa Cruz Blur 4X frame for £600 from CycleSurgery.So what's your point caller.
er, I was agreeing with you that Oranges are clearly overpriced in the UK, their home market, but feel free to misinterpret it 🙄
Oops - I still want to FIGHT! 
Have any of you seen the new for 2015 rose bikes...
The granite chief and root Miller look to be very nice bikes.
Big fan of the old school round tubes Rose use, I'd love one and at their prices may well treat myself next year!
How about Radon : eg. £2260 for this
http://www.radon-bikes.de/bikes/mountainbike/enduro/slide-carbon-275/slide-carbon-275-80/
I think the bigger issue , for me anyway, is big brands charging what is effectively full a price which would be not far off the equivalent of buying a frame and all the components to build it all at full retail. On top of which they often throw in a few own brand bobbins bits or OEM spec guff and not seemingly think twice about it. (Most of why I'd struggle to buy a Specialized)
big brands charging what is effectively full a price which would be not far off the equivalent of buying a frame and all the components to build it all at full retail.
I'd like to see this often stated 'fact' proven.
Oranges are clearly overpriced in the UK,
The frames are a similar cost to others produced in the Far East. How are they overpriced?
I'm glad of all these competitively priced bikes. Still upto3k is a lot of money for a bicycle.
Shops that don't think this and then bleat need to stop treating people as debt machines. After all how many cycling enthusiasts have three grand in cash to spend?
After all how many cycling enthusiasts have three grand in cash to spend?
Loads according to a trail center carpark on a weekend.
That's buying on credit. Not spunking cash.
[quote=hora ]That's buying on credit. Not spunking cash.They're still spending £3k. You either take a while to save it up or you buy, then pay it back.
If there was no cheap credit would RRPs fall due to demand?
I do wonder. Maybe some manufacturers just couldn't cut costs much more, or we'd just see lower specced models (e.g. SLX would be top end). The rate of change might decrease as there would be a benefit on longer production runs and getting rid of that "end of year" period where discounts have to be offered to move stock on before the new stuff arrives.
That's buying on credit. Not spunking cash.
You sure about that?
Most of my mates with expensive bikes pay cash for them.
You ride with affluent cash rich friends.
Or with folk who are prepared to save for what they want? It's the same amount of money either way - it's just different amounts of patience. 😆
OK. You save up to 100 a month for three years. Right you are then. A bow to you.
I prefer cash in bank/for house/other/peace of mind. Most people make the plunge as its 0%.
I guess if your job is often paid in cash its probably better the cash doesn't see a bank for traceability treasons.
Plumbers
Builders
Etc
IME - "most" people don't "make the plunge". Most bikes I've sold have been paid with debit card, credit card or on C2W. Of course, the latter two are still credit - of a sort - but 3rd party finance doesn't seem to be a major thing. And it's nothing to do with being paid "in cash" as very, very few folk rock up with £3k in notes.
You ride with affluent cash rich friends.
Not really.
just normal run of the mill guys.
Our LBS owner does like a good cash deal though. 8)
I want a run of the mill job.
Has anyone on here actually ridden one of the rose bikes mentioned above? What do they ride like?
I want a run of the mill job.
That might involve you having to actually do a little bit of work...
Ive been looking at the Rose granite chief for about 6 months. Still undecided..... I read a recent review some where and they loved it.
Really fancied a granite chief but there was no option in the build thing for 1x11, so I ordered a canyon. However this will be May delivery - and a good chance that will be pushed back like most people's. If it does then I'll be looking at an aeris
I like the idea of 1x11 but find the replacement costs frightening. £135 at least for a cassette. Far too much for me.