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  • Premier Icon mrblobby
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    What’s the current view on the PowerTap P1? Been offered some as a warranty replacement. All good with them?

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
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    I like my P1S, it’s a bit chunky but that’s about it. They say you need specific pedal cleats (which they supply) but I’ve used my keos with no issues

    Vector 3 would be my choice if you don’t have to pay

    mtbtomo
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    Is anyone actually selling the Stages right side yet?? In the UK?? Cos whilst they announced it, it doesn’t look like anyone is selling it yet

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Vector 3 would be my choice if you don’t have to pay

    I don’t have to pay but it’s what’s been offered as warranty replacement for my discontinued C1 (which was fine for a year on the turbo but only lasted a few weeks on winter roads.) I’m assuming it needs to be another PowerTap product but I might ask about that.

    eskay
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    mtbtomo – Member

    Is anyone actually selling the Stages right side yet?? In the UK?? Cos whilst they announced it, it doesn’t look like anyone is selling it yet

    No, I have been in contact with Stages (US) a few times recently because I am getting the usual winter power drain issues on my (3) stages PMs and they said they should be in the UK in around a month or so.

    They are no longer replacing my units (must have had about 10 in total over the last couple of years) which have battery drain problems.
    Their latest take on it is that it is a problem with the batteries.

    The solution is now to send out spare battery doors and O-rings. When the PM reports low, replace with a battery door that is preloaded with a battery that has been stored inside and then take the removed door and battery inside. They are telling me that the battery recovers when warm and can then be used next time the battery goes flat.

    I did point out to them that I have about 7 Garmin GSC-10 speed and cadence sensors with CR2032 batteries and they last for 18 months +.

    I have only just received my battery doors, so will report back!

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    I did point out to them that I have about 7 Garmin GSC-10 speed and cadence sensors with CR2032 batteries and they last for 18 months +.

    Point out to them that Vectors also use CR2032 but have no such reported issues.

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
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    I don’t have to pay but it’s what’s been offered as warranty replacement for my discontinued C1 (which was fine for a year on the turbo but only lasted a few weeks on winter roads.) I’m assuming it needs to be another PowerTap product but I might ask about that.

    I’m only suggesting as it’s a cleaner looking pedal. The P1 still supports Bluetooth as well as ANT etc.

    dcrainmakers comparison is worth a read.

    https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2017/09/power-meter-pedal-shootout-vector-3-vs-powertap-p1-vs-assioma.html

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Not much in it, it seems.

    Been offered the single sided P1 in exchange for my C1, which is pretty fair. They’re seeing if they can do me a deal on dual sided. Or I guess I could sell the single sided P1 and get something else. Think I’ll probably go dual sided P1.

    *wrong thread

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
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    No P1 single sided upgrade available yet, although they are talking about it. (and have been for a while) but bear that in mind

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    I was thinking of getting the Assimoa for my TT bike ^^ seems much of a muchness according to the review. Then again a BB swap / 105 cranked us cheaper, and I could use my 4iiii

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Thanks, I did not know that. Assumed you could (I think the DCR summary says you can with all too.) I wouldn’t go single sided anyway, but good to know for options if they don’t offer me a deal on dual sided.

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Well it looks like I either get a replacement of a single sided P1 or a credit note for 420 quid for the broken C1.

    I don’t want single sided and I can’t upgrade the P1, so that’s out. I could get the Quarq DZERO crankset for another 100 quid, but would need to find some rings and a new BB. Or for the same price an FSA PowerBox (basically a rebadged Power2Max) which would need a new BB. Or I could spend another 400 quid and get maybe a pair of Vector 3. If they stocked the Assioma I might well have gone for those. Hmmm.

    So what would STW do?

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    So what would STW do?

    Buy a 4iiii.

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Dual sided ultegra 4iiii is more expensive than Vector 3. I don’t really see a good reason to consider the 4iiii.

    Premier Icon Kryton57
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    It was tongue in cheek. You asked what STW would do, which in the main is to recommended what you’ve got… 😀

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
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    get a vector 3s and upgrade it later

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    recommended what you’ve got…

    🙂

    get a vector 3s and upgrade it later

    I want dual sided. If I got the 3S and upgraded I’d just end up spending an extra 100 50 quid.

    I don’t actually need a replacement for a few months so may just get a credit note and see what deals come up. Maybe wait for the Vector’s to be discounted a little.

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
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    can’t imagine the vector will get discount for a while, maybe the powertap P1.

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    I’d go with the FSA, assuming that it’s to directly replace the C1 on a turbo bike. Otherwise either Vector 3 or P1 dual for max flexibility.

    fifeandy
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    @mrblobby
    Give up on power meters as they all seem to fail and need to go back under warranty. Spend the credit note on a lifetime supply of bar tape.

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    I’d go with the FSA, assuming that it’s to directly replace the C1 on a turbo bike. Otherwise either Vector 3 or P1 dual for max flexibility.

    It’s for outdoor training bike now i’m convinced the Neo is good for power. Already have one set of Vectors which I can use when I need to swap stuff about. Leaning towards the FSA or the Quarq.

    Give up on power meters as they all seem to fail and need to go back under warranty. Spend the credit note on a lifetime supply of bar tape.

    🙂 I did wonder that but it’d be depressing to see it all not last that long on bar tape, tubes, tyres, chains, cassettes…

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    Mr B – if you want something to tide you over while you choose or while stocks replenish, my pedals are sitting here unloved (for various reasons I’m not even zwifting currently and a meaningful road ride where a power reading would be useful seems a long way off 🙁 )

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Scaredy, that is very kind of you. I’m not sure i’d want to borrow someone’s PM given my recent habit of breaking kit! I’ve still got the Vectors and the P2M so really not a problem. Hope you’re back riding soon 🙂

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    offer stands – if they’re going to fail I’d rather it was well within warranty period. Won’t be really riding for at least a month more

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Pioneer drop their prices again in the US…

    Pioneer drops pricing on dual leg Dura-Ace R9100, Ultegra R8000 powermeters

    Seeing some of the new Shimano DA PM’s in stock now. Anyone paying 1300+ quid of their own cash for one?

    Give up on power meters as they all seem to fail and need to go back under warranty. Spend the credit note on a lifetime supply of bar tape.

    Fifeandy, I may well end up doing just that 🙂 Had an old PowerTap hub in the spares box so sent that to Paligap for a service and will get it built up to replace the C1 on the training bike.

    mtbtomo
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    Do pioneer have a UK distributor yet? I need the right hand side to go with my existing left hand crank arm but seems they’re not for sale in the UK currently.

    I also need some more of the magnets that mount to the chainstay.

    Premier Icon njee20
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    Always liked the look of the Pioneer offering, price continues to get better.

    Spesh PM looks curious, interested to see how that develops. Looks like it cribs heavily on the 4iiii for the RH side.

    Premier Icon mrblobby
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    Use to be i-ride. They stopped doing them?

    Spesh PM looks curious, interested to see how that develops. Looks like it cribs heavily on the 4iiii for the RH side.

    Looks like a 4iiii with a big “S” sticker on it (at least on the drive side – NDS is a bit different, which is odd.)

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