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any links, seems highly unlikely China would be getting involved over some rockets that are easily shot down…..

why it doesn’t have a permanent escort shadowing it everywhere it goes in international waters.

I imagine it does. It might look like this:

Considering everyone blatantly knows what that russian ship is designed for I can’t understand why it doesn’t have a permanent escort shadowing

My BIL captains a T45 destroyer, before his last deployment (shooting down Houthi drones) he spent his time shadowing Russian spy ships as they mapped out our undersea cables, he had pictures of their silhouettes on his cabin wall as they modify them slightly to make them harder to ID, they are usually registered as fishing or science vessles.

We only have 6 T45s and at least 1 is undergoing refit atm and they dont have the best reliability record, at least 1 is in the gulf and we only have 2 or 3 others operational.

Ive no idea what the subs are up to!

matt_outandabout
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Seems a second cable has been cut in the Baltic, and *rumor* that a Chinese flagged civilian ship

I believe an event like that happened in ’23. Could it be sometime online has their wires crossed?

Or it has happened again of course!

I wonder what the response from N Korea will be if a lot of their troops start dying from ATACMs or Storm Shadow strikes, I imagine they are disposable to Kim but they surely wouldnt be happy with it.

So far it seems ATACMs have been used on ammunition dumps in Russia

I imagine they will be looking airfields next, but often the glide bombs are launched from airfields outside their range.

This feels like too little too late

I read that the nk troops were gorging on pron sites that they can’t access at home

What a way to go

kimbers
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Considering everyone blatantly knows what that russian ship is designed for I can’t understand why it doesn’t have a permanent escort shadowing

My BIL captains a T45 destroyer

I should imagine a lot of the Nordic/Baltic states are also paying very close attention too, so hopefully there is fairly constant monitoring. That said, as these cut cables show, it’s probably impossible to keep an eye on them 24/7.

As someone said though, this is a sign of weakness from Russia as well as a bit of intel gathering for a scenario where there was direct conflict with NATO in the future.

A nuclear power going around cutting cables as it dare not actually get into direct conflict with NATO. Doesn’t say much about past world power.

Amusing to see Putin changing the constitution to lower the bar for when Russia can use nukes. Why amusing? Does anybody really think that Putin wouldn’t launch a nuke if he wanted to because it’s not in the constitution?! Lol

It’s all cosplay for the likes of the MAGA crowd that loves Putin but also believes he wants to kill them.

Pretty odd, eh.

kimbers – I can’t imagine Kim gives a damn about the troops. They were just a transaction of meat, sadly and grimly.

Ive no idea what the subs are up to!

I’m sure the right people know. As should be the way, obviously my input was merely conjecture. But it wouldn’t suprise me if it’s more of a converted effort in terms of resources; sub-surface, surface and aviation fleets.

Did anyone see the BBC program on the highly trained beluga whale that turned up in Norway a few years ago ?

One of the suggestions was that it had been trained to search for undersea infrastructure. Certainly worth watching

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002504p/secrets-of-the-spy-whale

Have a look at how detailed the Soviet mappers were able to map the cities and industrial areas of the UK…

https://redatlasbook.com/cityplansuk

Doesn’t say much about past world power.

This. I joined the Army in 1996 and many were talking about all of this in similar terms back then, same with ‘warfare is changing’ and ‘this/that is obsolete’.

Here we are in 2024 and it’s blokes in fighting positions trying to kill each other with tech that is being evolved on the hoof, which will then prompt a counter which may or may not allow one side to maintain an advantage.

This conflict is an interesting revisit of 1980’s tactics with drones as the new kid on the block.

The big threat in the 80’s was CBRN, arty and armour all delivered through manoeuvre warfare and trench fighting. There was a smattering of aviation threat and frankly suicidal masses airborne drops.

Currently: delete CBRN & Para drops, add UAS & (more precise) precision fires.

Joint Declaration by the Foreign Ministers of Germany, France, Poland (the Weimar Triangle), Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom in Warsaw, 19 November

We consider this also a unique opportunity to renew the foundations of our transatlantic relations with the United States of America by strengthening NATO and ensuring fair burden sharing within the Alliance. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-declaration-by-the-foreign-ministers-of-germany-france-poland-italy-spain-and-the-united-kingdom-in-warsaw-19-november

There was also a BRIXMIS operating on the other side of the IGB.

Some bloody good books on this subject and a few podcasts. One of the LE’s in my first unit had done this. I didn’t fully grasp the significance of that role as an 18yo ****.

Intelligence is still gathered like that to a degree today. The MK1 eyeball is a powerful intelligence gathering tool that tech fanboys forget about sometimes.