Well at least you didn’t hit anyone O.P.

You can laugh it off now. 🙂

OP – was this in Sainsbury’s? My wife was told the same in Harrogate Sainsbury’s when our twins were about 3. Their attitude at the time was really poor.

“No they don’t not in a million years.”

You shouldn’t make statements if you don’t know what your talking about.
about 10 years ago a supermarket manager went to prison as the car park barriers fell through a car and cut off a man’s head. The car park gates are part of trading law checks that you are bottom line accountable for as a store manager, so are baby chairs and fixings for babies trolleys.
if you need further evidence you can always read my trading law folder…..p.s that supermarket manager was also my old boss in a previous company, kinda makes you more aware.

But surely he was negligent then – knew of a fault and ignored it?…

It was in Sainsbury’s but it’s Securitas that have the security contract.

about 10 years ago a supermarket manager went to prison as the car park barriers fell through a car and cut off a man’s head.

😯

Not surprised at all – the line sounds exactly like my wife had. She was pretty much in tears about it.

Bouncers in a supermarket???? What is the UK coming to? 😯

There are checks that you have to put your name to and if a fault is found they have to be delt with immediately as they could cause death or a RIDDOR report which you really don’t want. Automatic doors, emergency stop buttons working on Machinery ect and baby trolleys and baby chairs. Let’s face it if it wasn’t important they wouldn’t care if you had your whole family sat in the trolley. They problem you get with security is that they usually don’t converse with anyone unless something wrong is being done and they can lack the people skills. Understandable on both parts.

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http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/miracle-escape-driver-metal-barrier-8373200

I use to put my daughter in the trolley when shopping at her request but I knew it was probably frowned upon and would have happily taken her out the trolley if requested…can’t see why you’d take such umbrage to a seemingly reasonable request but i guess thats all hindsight now 😕

So if a similar situation occurred in the future, you’d comply with the request?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2040559/Baby-James-Anderson-Berg-dies-falling-shopping-cart-Macon.html

‘Police say no charges have been filed’ but could have been if they were at fault 😉

Pitchpro I do sort of know what I am talking about show me any evidence that your story is true and that was for assault.

As I’ve said many times already I didn’t take umbrage at the request only at the rough and brusque way they executed it. The guy grabbed the trolley in a rough manner and they scared the living daylights out of my kids. Thats what caused me to lose it, not the issue of whether kids can ride in the trolley or not.

As I’ve said many times already I didn’t take umbrage at the request only at the rough and brusque way they executed it.

Well i must have missed that but then I did mean the first security guards request: it may have been given in a ‘gruff verbal’ way but still seems reasonable to me; their store, their rules. But as i said, easy in hindsight.

So if a similar situation occurred in the future, you’d comply with the request?

Pitchpro your link sort of proves that no criminal charges for assault could ever be laid or indeed preferred against a store manager in this scenario.

they are usually head injuries when kids fall while standing in the basket part of the cart,” said Dr. Andrew Miller, chief of pediatric emergency medicine at Lehigh Valley Hospital’s children’s hospital.

http://articles.mcall.com/2014-02-08/news/mc-shopping-cart-injuries-20140208_1_cart-accidents-shopping-hospital-emergency-departments

Crankboy, I am a store manager and have been for 10 years. Any failed trading law checks resulting in injury and the store manager can be prosecuted if that person didn’t take steps to fix them. Just because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it not true. I have no idea what you do for a living but if you had 17 years experience in total at one job and I told you you were wrong about a check you had to do EVERYDAY (in depth checks on Tuesdays) It kind of gets frustrating.

My 25 years of relevant experience says the store manager can not be prosecuted for assault as you claimed. As you say you have no idea what I do for a day job before I happily take crankbrat for a spin in waitroses trolley .

This should be good. 🙂

Why does the OP go to one of those supermarket things anyhow? Just get Ocado delivered to your kitchen. Means you don’t have to deal with the riff raff of society.

My 25 years of relevant experience says the store manager can not be prosecuted for assault as you claimed. As you say you have no idea what I do for a day job before I happily take crankbrat for a spin in waitroses trolley .

Care to elaborate then or do we just take your word on blind faith?

From the OP it sounds like they were overly officious and the OP was unreasonable in return.

When things like this happen, i think a lot of it has to do with people not wanting to do the difficult parts of their jobs. After all, it’s far easier to pull someone up for something innocuous than actually policing a store, looking out for an apprehending thieves etc.

All in all though it sounds like both sides were equally unreasonable so the outcome is not surprising.

Because there is no act of assault by the supermarket manager in him either allowing the child to be in the trolley or in his failure to prevent it . Nore is there any intention by the supermarket manager to cause any assault either the direct and obvious meaning of intent or on the basis of recklessness ie the manager choosing to run an obvious risk in his conduct.

Assault is only made out where one causes another to anticipate a battery . Not where someone allows someone else to do something that raises a very marginal risk of a small accident , which in rare cases if it occoured might have unexpectedly serious consequences.

On both sides…….

Shop at waitrose me and crankbrat did that all the time though he now insists on sitting in the seat and only stands in the trolly to load the shopping on to the checkout . The day they tell us we can’t is the day that we walk leaving our shopping.

You are so far up your own hoop that I doubt you could carry your own shopping. Congratulations for being that sort of parent / Waitrose shopper.

I’m not going to state further on the matter, people wanted to know why a supermarket is so uptight about kids in trolleys and I’ve given the correct answer. It’s in black and white in every Store managers office.

Pitchpro I’m sure right about everything except the bit where you said the manager can be done for assault .

Tootall no need to congratulate me, crankbrat and me are just having fun doing are shopping together we enjoy ourselves we don’t inconvenience anyone and the staff are really happy with what we do.

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My 25 years of relevant experience says the store manager can not be prosecuted for assault as you claimed. As you say you have no idea what I do for a day job before I happily take crankbrat for a spin in waitroses trolley .

Care to elaborate then or do we just take your word on blind faith

person at the top is ultimately responsible for the health and safety of the place at work. This can be a store manager or a line manager. They would fall foul of H&S law not something like assault unless they actually struck someone.

I usually have to put my bigger little monster in the trolley if I’m shopping without the wife as our smaller little monster goes in the baby seat. No one has ever said anything to me in any of the local stores. However, the security guards in both my local Tescos are a bit of a joke. One is hugely obese and from time to time uses a mobility scooter to patrol the store, another guy is a much older chap, seems to be ex-army/police and takes his job waaay to seriously.

I was buying beer at the self service till and needed the assistant (girl about 18) to verify my age. Dirty Harry bounds over and shoves his arm in front of the till. “Have you checked his id?” he bellows at the girl, who burst out laughing. “No” she replies. He then demands to see my id, to which I reply, “No. I’m 35 years old”. A silent standoff followed for abut 20 seconds before he stormed off in a huff.

I was buying beer at the self service till and needed the assistant (girl about 18) to verify my age. Dirty Harry bounds over and shoves his arm in front of the till. “Have you checked his id?” he bellows at the girl, who burst out laughing. “No” she replies. He then demands to see my id, to which I reply, “No. I’m 35 years old”. A silent standoff followed for abut 20 seconds before he stormed off in a huff.

One of the easy boxes ticked for him there, then. Never mind the dodgy-looking yoofs slipping out of the store looking shifty.

Life is full of the type who get all shouty when they’re doing the easy bits, but go suspiciously missing when something really kicks off. We’ve got one in our office. Nearly every Friday, just before her boss goes home there is the exaggeratedly loud harranging of some poor sod on the other end of the phone. “No, WHAT I’M SAYING IS, you must supply us with a proper VAT invoice”. The amount in question is rarely more than a hundred quid and the woman hasn’t got a scooby when it comes to big stuff like full VAT payments, but she likes to create the impression of being a ‘self-starter’.

They’re easy to spot if you look hard enough, though.

Sounds like she’s just doing her job – no matter how little, you need a VAT invoice to reclaim the VAT.

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about 10 years ago a supermarket manager went to prison as the car park barriers fell through a car and cut off a man’s head.

I can’t corroborate this claim on the Google-machine.

I think this is the story being referred to: Asda fined £225,000 after father is killed by falling car park barrier

If that’s right, then:

– the Coroner returned a verdict of unlawful killing;
– Asda was prosecuted under the Health and Safety at Work Act;
– Asda was fined.

The store manager was not prosecuted and did not go to prison. Although he will certainly not have been popular with the company…

That all makes sense to me (lawyer, trolly-related accidents not my specialist subject) whereas as assault charge for the supermarket manager seems very unlikely.