[Closed] Taking a 4 month old on a flight

But it is not a choice which inconveniences others (unless you are a fatto or smell of poo

That depends on your definition of "inconvenience".

I don't recall anyone on here demanding tolerance. The most vehement of posters was me, and all said was, when the kids are moaning keep your nose out. The rest is just conjecture, or inability to read, on everyone else's part about my "attitude". Boblo, I enver told you or anyone else to be tolerant, that is again your choice of being creative with the interpretation so as to take offence.

As to posting on forums what you think about kids on planes I have no issue. I hate it myself, and the one time I brought my own kid I hated it. But I think it's fine and if you don't or can't tolerate it that's fine. [b]I would just ask, once again, if your on a plane, and you can't tolerate the kids keep your opinions to yourself.[/b]

I was sat next to a fella coming back from Frankfurt on Wednesday, who snored loudly the whole way back
I gave him a few digs & he stopped, only to start again minutes later

Hmmm ... I was wondering where I got bruised ribs 🙁

So long as your child isn't one that'll be loud and annoying then it wouldn't be a problem for me as another passenger. It's when they start crying and screaming that I can't deal with it.

It's when they start crying and screaming that I can't deal with it.

Best stay home, mate - it's a tough world out there.

Toys - how many posters missed your point?

All the ones who are busy getting mileage out of trying to berate me. It's remarkably unedifying how many people on here cannot read.

And you should be able to exercise it without fear or favour... You should reasonably expect an environment that is safe, comfortable, clean etc. Not littered with parents 'demanding' tolerance for little Johny's latest indiscretion.

Not on private air transport, unless your contract with the airline includes that. You could, perhaps, argue that in business or first that is the case, but if you're flying to Malaga on holiday it definitely doesn't.

I'm very happy to choose to tolerate, I strongly object to being told to be tolerant (oh the irony).

It was me who demanded toleration.I can fully understand getting pissed off with a baby crying, I would too, but human society needs children to survive. You want to form part of society, you put up with kids.

human society needs children to survive

Does it?

I think nearly 7 bn of us eating ourselves out of planet and home is quite enough actually

even before I had kids I always found it quite entertaining watching stressy passengers getting more and more wound up by kids making noise. if one of them is dumb enough to make a comment about it out loud it often gets very entertaining from a spectators point of view. 😀

DrJ - Member
That depends on your definition of "inconvenience".

Indeed, and my definition of it does tend to change about 7-8 hours into a 13 hour flight when my facial expression tends to become one approaching this:

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At that point, having a matchbox car smashed into your ankle bone or the cord on your headphones tugged by a little hand becomes rather less appealing. As do the telling offs the mother gives to her darling cherub:

Oh do stop being silly, Tarquin. That man doesn't want your mucus covered hand in his eyeball.

even before I had kids I always found it quite entertaining watching stressy passengers getting more and more wound up by kids making noise. if one of them is dumb enough to make a comment about it out loud it often gets very entertaining from a spectators point of view.

Yes- my experience of this was about 20 years ago as a 20 ish single guy. V pretty single mum with baby who was wailing. Two middle aged mums who were fed up with their husbands talking and making eyes at the pretty single girl, verbally laid into her for having such an unruly child. In the end I stood in the aisle overlooking her seat chatting away to her and babe whilst these two harridans tried to butt in over my shoulder. Eventually the BA staff came and moved the tossers to different part of the plane. My "heroics" went unrewarded unfortunately.

The one time I flew with my 4 month old she didn't moan once, but we had knockers on tap..

Taking a young child on holiday has surely got to be a selfish act though, hasn't it? I mean, what does a 4month old get out of a holiday to Majorca, Morzine or Minnesota? Not a lot I imagine, except maybe some discomfort during the flight. Yes, I think I may be trolling now.

toys19 - Member

<snip> but we had knockers on tap..

Blimey, BA [i]have[/i] improved their inflight catering 🙂

toys19 - Member
I don't recall anyone on here demanding tolerance.

mogrim - Member

Because having children is a necessary part of maintaining a society, and it's therefore reasonable to demand a little toleration [b]BECAUSE HOLIDAYS ARE SO VITAL[/b]

There you go (I might have edited one of the quotes 🙂 ), HTH.

I don't berate.

I don't complain.

I don't have a problem with children on planes, though I'd rather not sit next to one when on long flights if it were particularly noisy/active .

I do take exception to being told I have to defer to the rights of parents who are propagating the continuation of the species as if it were some personal favour to me.

Fair enough and mogrim pointed it out above, missed that. Guess what, he's right. I don't give a damn if you don't like being told to be tolerant. Based on your responses you need to be more tolerant.

Aaah, so in your tolerant way, you're telling me to be tolerant?

That's the irony I find so, errr, ironic. Well done. Ta.

I do take exception to being told I have to defer to the rights of parents who are propagating the continuation of the species as if it were some personal favour to me.

Like to see who's going to pay your pension (or produce your food, wipe your a...) if people stop having kids!

I said a [i]little[/i] toleration - not complete toleration. It's a two-way thing, some of the people on this thread don't seem to understand that.

And you and your parenting ilk taking their holidays forms what part in the survival of the species, paying pensions etc?

That's the irony I find so, errr, ironic.

I know its funny isn't it!

And you and your parenting ilk taking holidays forms what part in the survival of the species, paying pensions etc?

What makes your "right" to go on holiday take precedence over mine?
Kids moan, its a fact of life, just because you get on a plane doesn't change that in anyway. Like I said the airline companies seem to think it's ok. Do you want to know why? Because families go on holiday, they spend money. In fact airlines are so into it they let infants on aeroplanes for free, how galling that must be for you child haters. That is irony.

As a westerner, having children is one of the worst things you can do for the planet in environmental terms. Probably.

I do take exception to being told I have to defer to the rights of parents who are propagating the continuation of the species as if it were some personal favour to me.

Really? That's unfortunate for you, because, at the end of the day, you do have to defer to other people's rights. That's what "rights" are.

In fact airlines are so into it they let infants on aeroplanes for free, how galling that must be for you child haters. That is irony.

You forgot the cheaper seats for older kids, and the early boarding.

OK, I'm trolling now too 🙂

Toys, Toys, Toys, <sigh>

The whole premise of this thread is that parents rights automatically trump everyone elses as they are altruistically looking after our future (ironically whilst killing the planet going on holiday). As you so eloquently stated, anyone who complains about this is a See You Next etc...

I don't want precedence over anyone else, equality would be nice though I'm not planning to scream my head off or smear my poo anywhere in the First Class cabin anytime soon.

DrJ - Member

Really? That's unfortunate for you, because, at the end of the day, you do have to defer to other people's rights. That's what "rights" are.

So where does deference end and subjugation begin?

So lets just check, you agree that anyone who complains to a parent, during a flight, about the kid crying or moaning is wrong?

So where does deference end and subjugation begin?

Well... you justify the choice of taking young children on planes because the airlines allow it. Surely the airlines allow passenges to air their grievances with each other too?

The whole premise of this thread is that parents rights automatically trump everyone elses as they are altruistically looking after our future (ironically whilst killing the planet going on holiday). As you so eloquently stated, anyone who complains about this is a See You Next etc...

Actually, the whole premise of the thread was someone asking if flying with a 4mth old baby from the UK to Lanzarote was achievable. It degenerated from there when the rest of us decided to join in and start arguing. I can only surmise we are equally bored at work.

Well... you justify the choice of taking young children on planes because the airlines allow it. Surely the airlines allow passenges to air their grievances with each other too?

Of course, and complaining is perfectly justified if little "Tarquin" (nice straw child argument there) is sticking his "poo covered finger" in someone's ear and the parent in question isn't doing anything about it. Noone said it wasn't. Complaining about babies crying is a different matter, though, unless the parents of said child are obviously doing nothing about it.

toys19 - Member
So lets just check, you agree that anyone who complains to a parent, during a flight, about the kid crying or moaning is wrong?

Ironically (word of the day children), I don't care!

I wouldn't complain about a child unless they were behaving unreasonably directly with me and the parent should be doing something about it (e.g. throwing their food on me or hitting me - that sort of thing). I'd ask the parent (nicely) if they could have the child desist. Similarly, I wouldn't take to task someone else that did complain. That's up to them, they have rights....

There's usually not much a parent can do to quieten a child if they've a real paddy on though I think it's reasonable to question travel for the very young. Not neccesarily for the others passengers sake, more for the childs as I imagine it could be quite distressing/bewildering.

My position is that my (or other passengers) rights/comfort etc should not be automatically subjugated to parents, unruly passengers, fatties, smellies etc. We all have paid our money to enjoy the delights of modern air travel in comfort etc. No one has a 'right' to interfere with that.

Phew.

But complaining about babies crying is 'allowed', isn't it?

But complaining about babies crying is 'allowed', isn't it?

futile, but feel free

human society needs children to survive
Does it?

I think nearly 7 bn of us eating ourselves out of planet and home is quite enough actually

If no-one had kids then human society wouldn't last long would it?

Plus, any one of those kids might be the one who figures out how to produce limitless free energy on earth or feed the world. Or write the novel that makes everyone stop and think, and start being nice to each other.

Anyway. The problem isn't with kids on planes it's with poorly behaved kids on planes or unhappy babies. Plenty of poorly behaved adults on planes too tbh.

We all have paid our money to enjoy the delights of modern air travel in comfort etc

No, you've paid for a seat. I don't think the terms and conditions of carriage say anything about comfort or isolation from any annoyance created by the other passengers.

But complaining about babies crying is 'allowed', isn't it?

Yes, likewise complaining about the weather, but suggesting it is someone's "fault" is (largely) silly.

DrJ - Member

"I do take exception to being told I have to defer to the rights of parents who are propagating the continuation of the species as if it were some personal favour to me."

Really? That's unfortunate for you, because, at the end of the day, you do have to defer to other people's rights. That's what "rights" are.

actually you have the right to do things so long as it does not impinge or incionvenience anyone else - and you don't have the right to take you rkids on hoilday

Holidays are not a right - they are a privilege

Its far closer to the mark that I have the right to go about my lawful business without your brat screaming in my ear. Your brat does not have the right to scream in my ear

However - I shall just continue to wear my earplugs so I can ignore the disease infested, foul, biting, poomaking things ( or is that dogs? I do get confused) 🙂

futile

like arguing with new parents

Molgrips, You keep linking the survival of our species with the need to take an annual holiday. I can't see the link, perhaps I'm a bit dim.

Keep mis-reading this thread as "taking a 4 month old to a fight".

actually you have the right to do things so long as it does not impinge or incionvenience anyone else - and you don't have the right to take you rkids on hoilday

Holidays are not a right - they are a privilege

Quite. You don't have a right to go on holiday, either.

Its far closer to the mark that I have the right to go about my lawful business without your brat screaming in my ear. Your brat does not have the right to scream in my ear

Don't know about that, kids aren't dogs. Kids cry, it happens. You go to a park on a sunny day and there will be kids playing, shouting, crying - I doubt very much that you have a right to expect silence there, either.

Holidays are not a right - they are a privilege

TJ - as a union spokesman 😉

I would have thought you'd subscribe to the position that holidays were hard fought for & won rights for the working man - just a thought 🙂

How 'bout this... We're all fantastically considerate people, we understand the impact of our (and those we are responsible for) actions on others and would consider teh impications of our choices.

Now, I'm a big sweaty fatty with a body odour and flatulence problem. I also have a nasty infection that is easily transferred. I fancy a weekend in Prague. What should I do?

Ok, lets clear this up once and for all...

Parents have the right to go on uneccesary holidays with their young children because, although they farted the screaming thing out in the first place, they don't want the inconvenience of having to change their lifestyle, and dont give a monkeys about upsetting others.

Passengers on planes with screaming children on have the right to complain about said children, even if it doesn't make a blind bit of difference and makes them a S.Y.N.T.

There, a synopsis everyone can be happy with, surely.... 😉

actually you have the right to do things so long as it does not impinge or incionvenience anyone else

Where did you read that? There was a van blocking the road making a right turn across traffic this morning. Boy, was I inconvenienced?! Maybe that guy did not know about my inalienable right to drive to work on empty roads.

- and you don't have the right to take your kids on holiday

I think you'll find you're wrong. Not just a right but more or less an obligation!

Holidays are not a right - they are a privilege

Freedom of movement is as close to a right as you get in a modern affluent society.

Its far closer to the mark that I have the right to go about my lawful business without your brat screaming in my ear. Your brat does not have the right to scream in my ear.

I think it does. And I think it has the right to not be insulted by you.

This just gets better.

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Now, I'm a big sweaty fatty with a body odour and flatulence problem. I also have a nasty infection that is easily transferred. I fancy a weekend in Prague. What should I do?

Do you even consider NOT going? The infection thing should get you in trouble, but for the rest, you would just be one more traveller.

If no-one had kids then human society wouldn't last long would it?

Ironically, it may last a little longer than if the population reaches 14 bn as projected by the UN. We can't feed the 6.5 bn already here.

Plus, any one of those kids might be the one who figures out how to produce limitless free energy on earth or feed the world.

We had the world feeding with the green revolution - simply not much more can be grown. Oh, and didn't you listen in your first ever high school science lesson: energy cannot be created. Again, the closest we've come to that is nuclear, and we all know how popular that is...

GlitterGary - Member
This just gets better.

Like kids, do you? 😀

No.

Ironically, it may last a little longer than if the population reaches 14 bn as projected by the UN. We can't feed the 6.5 bn already here.

The human race won't end if the population grows to unsustainable levels

People will just starve to death until it's sustainable again

If people stop breeding, it will definitely end wont it?

DrJ - actully that is the basis of rights 🙂 - you right to do as you want so long as it does not inconvenience others.

Very few rights trump that - and allowing your brat to scream in my ear is not one of them.

So which is worse - dogs or brats?

Very few rights trump that - and allowing your brat to scream in my ear is not one of them.

It's not so much "allowing" them to scream, it's more that (with babies) you can't always stop them. And if you're all stuck in an enclosed space there's not a lot you can do about it other than moan.

So which is worse - dogs or brats?

Yorkshire terriers, a terrifying combination of the two. Especially the silky haired ones with little bows.

mogrim - Member

It's not so much "allowing" them to scream, it's more that (with babies) you can't always stop them. And if you're all stuck in an enclosed space there's not a lot you can do about it other than moan.

Ahh, but this is about the choices made. You (not [i]you[/i] specifically, more those hypothetical pesky doting parents) have chosen to take junior in to that environment in the full knowledge that it may impact others. You've decided to jgnore the impact of your choices to achieve the greater good of your essential holiday and furthering the human race/paying my pension/cultivating future world leaders.

By making those choices with known (or very likely) impacts, you're thumbing your nose at the rest of us whilst demanding our tolerance and understanding in doing so.

Bit unreasonable isn't it?

We took a 7 month old to Lanzarote and only booked two seats. Both ways we got their early and flattered the check in staff to get a row of three seats. How good they resist when they saw her lovely face. Put the child in the middle, stay relaxed and hopefully they will sleep most of the way. Our daughter loved it.

I would probably book earlier and pay for the extra seat but we booked only a week in adavnce on that trip.

The human race won't end if the population grows to unsustainable levels. People will just starve to death until it's sustainable again

Depends just how serious the fighting gets over the last bits of food/water/oil

Spinning that argument around boblo, you knowingly chose to go on an airplane which might have children on board. 'course you dont have to go on holiday mind......

[i]You have chosen to take junior in to that environment in the full knowledge that it may impact others. [b]You've decided to ignore the impact of your choices to achieve the greater good of your essential holiday[/b][/i]

This is how I see it. Sadly parents like this will raise their children to think and behave in a similar fashion and the cycle will perpetuate itself.
Its unfortunate when people fail to see that their needing a holiday, traveling by plane, doesn't give them license to inflict their children upon others.

To those who understand and respect the fact that most likely, their very young children won't travel well, and so therefore book holidays in the UK and travel by private transport.
I think you're spot on. I think you're good parents for not subjecting your children to long hours on planes, etc.
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To those of you who just barge your way through life and society exercising your [i]rights[/i] regardless of what your actions mean for others. You are lesser people than the sum of your parts, imo, and I pity you for not taking a more responsible, considerate role in society.

As this little island we all live on increases its population density, it would have been useful for us all to aspire to be polite, considerate and respectful to each other.

Sadly, it would appear to be the case that the opposite is the mainstream and that people seem to delight in being rude and inconsiderate to strangers.
It's probably an ego trip thing, especially in Toys19 case, where acting "heroically" is second nature and the true meaning for their existence, obviously.
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One final thing. Wherever go, whatever you do.
You represent, in the eyes of the people around you, your family.

Pity then, that when people decide to be inconsiderate, they do not stop to think of how their actions reflect upon their nearest and dearest, in the eyes of the people around them.

You behave like an idiot in front of me, then on the strength of that, I'm going to assume that your entire family are like that.

Can't we all just be nicer and more considerate towards one another ?.
Can’t you just take your fly away holidays once your children are up to the journey ?, whats so difficult about waiting a few years ?.

Interesting to see all the views of the jaffas amongst us 😉

Clong - Member
Spinning that argument around boblo, you knowingly chose to go on an airplane which might have children on board. 'course you dont have to go on holiday mind......

Here we are again. The 'non parent' individual has somehow to interpret and compensate for the fact that they will have to share space with selfish oafs who consider their 'rights' trump everyone elses.

If I choose to use public transport, I guarantee, nay double guarantee, I will not interupt your peace/space etc with my noise/vomit/poo etc. I will allow all my fellow 'space users' to go about their business completely unmolested. All I ask is to share a little space and some recycled air with you.

Now then parents, would you extend me the same courtesy please?

There are some lovely ironies in that post there, momentum_2000, cant for the life of me fathom the quote thing out though and i cant be bothered to type them out.

TBH I'm not sure who are more annoying, the parents with the screaming brats that don't care, or the pious singletons / couples who have [i]made a concious decision[/i] not to have children.

A bit of tolerance works wonders - both ways that is.

Well Clong, if you can't point em out they don't exist... They're not existential ironies y know 🙂

Geoff. Is there another group: Parents that consider others who just might not relish my kids company?

Jesus, you lot really are hard of thinking sometimes.

Let's say I badly need a holiday, I'm really stressed out and all, depressed with some bad UK weather and someone's let me use their holiday home in the Algarve for free. Great! Of course I've got to take the kid with me since no-one will look after her for a week, and you know, she's a pretty good kid so I trust her to behave. However at the airport she starts crying a bit - oh no, she's coming down with a cold. When the pressure changes she starts to cry and cry like never before. Oh no! I'm so embarassed about it, and I feel really bad for everyone else on the plane, but what I can I do? I've done everthing I can and I'm absolutely exhausted but I'm still trying. These poor passengers, they are really annoyed with me... Oh well perhaps they'll be good natured enough to understand my predicament.

Perhaps not!

What are you lot going to complain about next? Bumpy flight? Congested airport? How DARE those other people want to fly into MY airport?! Traffic on the roads? Outrageous!

Sometimes a bit of tolerance makes the world a much happier place for you and everone.

Clong.

Then in that case, you and I simply do not understand each other.
A common failing, it would seem, in this place. Its Ok 😉

Geoff.
Yes, consideration and tolerance isn't being witheld, but no body should expect / demand it from me.
Also, I've no objection to children on planes. When they are old enough to travel peacefully.
Surely they calmed down by the time they're 5yrs ?.

And please people, try to exercise some restraint when accusing people of being a coal hearted, childless, so and so, etc.

You don't know everyones history...

Geoff. Is there another group: Parents that consider others who just might not relish my kids company?

Well they might not relish it, but that doesn't mean they couldn't tolerate it for a while.

molgrips - Member
Jesus, you lot really are hard of thinking sometimes.

No need for that. Just cos you don't get agreement doesn't mean people are thick.

So now you [i]really need[/i] your holiday (understandable, must be exhausting saving the planet and breeding world leaders) and you've been offered a freebie.

Cos of this the other 100 folk on the plane (assuming usual 737/A320 Algarve bus) need to tolerate whaterver you and your family throw at them.

Righty ho. Go it now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

If you get offered a holiday it doesnt mean you 'have' to. You made your choice to have children. I did not make that choice for you. Therefore, do not inflict your screaming children on me when i cant control it.

Anyone who takes a child likely to scream on a plane is a selfish ..so and so... You have a baby, live with the consequences. You cant go on holiday abroad. Fact!

Boblo, so your right's to quiet/hassle free enviroment are trumping the parents right's to use public transport?

Geoff.
Yes, considerationa and tolerance isn't being with held, but no body should expect / demand it from me.
Also, I've no objection to children on planes. When they are old enough to travel peacefully.
Surely they calmed down by the time they're 5yrs ?.

And please people, try to exercise some restraint when accusing people of being a coal hearted, childless, so and so, etc.

You don't know everyones history...

Like I say, it cuts both ways.

Clong - Member
Boblo, so your right's to quiet/hassle free enviroment are trumping the parents right's to use public transport?

Not at all. I think we have equal rights and I'll guarantee not to be a pain and upset you and your family.

Will you do the same for me please?

[i]Sometimes a bit of tolerance [b]and consideration for your very young children and others[/b] makes the world a much happier place for you and everone[/i]

There, fixed that for you.
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As above. I'm not anti children on planes, I'm not anti children.
But there are children, and there are unhappy children travelling.

A point I think Molgrips made earlier.( I think you wrote badly behaved)

But surely theres an point, an age where air travel for young children isn't appropriate.

And in your post above, its all "me, me, me"

[i]Let's say I badly need a holiday, I'm really stressed out and all, depressed with some bad UK weather and someone's let me use their holiday home in the Algarve for free[/i]

What does your 4 month old care about any of that ?.

In that scenario, you've worked yourself into a state and then grabbed a cheap holiday. I fail to see the 4 month old nagging you to get the family to the Algarve.
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I hate when people aren't silent in the cinema

All I'm asking for is the right to not have to listen to other people making a noise, sniffing, coughing, rustling etc.

'bout the same as your demand boblo?

I'll go with that. Noisey people in cinemas are selfish, like the ones who put their feet on the backs of the chairs in front of them.
They obviously don't care that someone else is going to sit there soon.

And yes, I turn my phone off when in the cinema.

OMG, is the UK so full of mindlessly rude and inconsiderate people these days ?. What has happened ?.

Uplink, I'm not demanding anything. That'll be the parents 'demanding' tolerance. It's back up the thread (you know who you are 🙂 ) I'm highlighting the inequity of parental 'demands' for essential holidays and how this might impact innocents going about their business.

Re: noise in the pictures. Is that the same thing? Now if someone was shouting/crying/making a fuss in the Cinema, is that reasonable? You'd expect a bit of background noise in a cinema, you wouldn't expect a crying 4 month old child (segways back on track).

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momentum_2000 - Member
OMG, is the UK so full of mindlessly rude and inconsiderate people these days ?. What has happened ?.

Yes it is and it's gone to hell in a handcart.

No need for that. Just cos you don't get agreement doesn't mean people are thick.

I do get your argument, you don't get mine. Let me spell it out for you:

1) Babies have as much right to travel as you do
2) The parents may have had every reason to expect that their kid wouldn't bother the other passengers, but something unexpcted might have happened ie illness.
3) You don't have the right to silence on a plane I'm afraid. So suck it up. We all need to get along. Parents need to take every precaution to stop their kids annoying other people; likewise other passengers have to make every effort not to be annoyed.
4) Planes sometimes make me feel decidedly queasy. Does this mean that I should't ever fly because I might puke in the next seat to you?

Oh and by slagging off people just for having kids in the first place you are slagging off your own parents. If you are so worried about the resources kids take up you could kill yourself, that'd save a fair bit.

[i]Yes it is and it's gone to hell in a handcart[/i]
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Ill certainly try, but i cant guarantee it, Boblo. Just like you can't guarantee not to upset me and my family. You could be a real charmer and run off with the missus like, that be upsetting.

Seriously though you can't guarntee that, you might have offensive body odour, annoying voice etc. If i was to say anything though, i expect to be told to just deal with it.

I know i "upset" poeple on the plane, im rather broad in the shoulder and anyone of average size gets my shoulder dug into the side of them for most of the flight. No-one has said anything yet, but theres not a lot choice. If they want guaranteed space than they should've gone business class, or perhaps i should have.

Molgrips. There's no need to be rude.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone has every right to do as they wish so long as it's lawful and impacts no one else.

So long as your list complies with that, you have no argument from me. If you and your spawn need to start detracting from my environment (or the other 100 or so bods stuck with you) then, you are being selfish. It's that simple.

The ultimate precaution to avoid impacting others is to consider the outcome of your actions. By dismissing the 100 or so souls that have to tolerate whatever you child chooses to do, you are just showing them contempt.

BYW I'm not slagging off people who have kids, I have my own. I'm questioning your apparent contempt for your fellow man.

Clong. No I do, I guarantee not to offend you. I'll be up the front matey out of the way 🙂

Edit: Lemme see some pics and I'll get back to you about MrsClong 🙂

[i]You don't have the right to silence on a plane I'm afraid. So suck it up[/i]
Wrong, so wrong.

[i]We all need to get along. Parents need to take every precaution to stop their kids annoying other people; likewise other passengers have to make every effort not to be annoyed[/i]
Getting there. Allow me...
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[i]We [b]parents are grateful to you for your patience[/b] [s]all need to get along[/s]. [b] We Parents need to take every precaution to stop their kids annoying other people[/b]; likewise [b]we parents are grateful to [/b]other passengers [b]who [/b]have [b]made an effort[/b] [s]to make every effort not to be annoyed[/s] [b]to overlook the choas we're causing[/b][/i]

There. No !, don't thank me. You're very welcome.
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