"Tactical" torches…

Jakester – Member

Looking at that site Cougar posted, one of the contributors had a lot of ti “lanyard beads”. ‘What are they?’, I wondered to myself.

I clicked on the link, and it took me to this site:

http://cogentindustries.com/products/tibeads/

Are they massively overpriced woggles?

I don’t think you’re allowed to use the term woggle anymore. It’s not pc.
Anyway….I clicked that link and instantly found myself in a titanium rabbit hole of shit I didn’t know existed, but now need.

“If you know your lanyard beads (and I’m sure you do since you’ve read this far) – then we both know I don’t really have to “convince” you”

*weaves tactical friendship bracelet*

God, I just spent more time looking at some of those ‘EDC’ sites.

WTF? Listing the crap you have in your pockets on the internet? What next? “Collections of belly button lint 2014 – 2015”?

Good job no-one asked my wife to list her ‘EDC’ – you’d be there for weeks sorting through the crap in her handbag…

“Hello”…….”Yes, I’d like to order a tactical torch please……….”Smith”………”Jellystone”

I clicked on the link, and it took me to this site:

http://cogentindustries.com/products/tibeads/

Until I got to the Order button I wasn’t sure whether I was seeing a beautiful example of Poe’s Law.

WTF? Listing the crap you have in your pockets on the internet? What next?

Are you new here? (-:

“Tactical pen”

aka a biro. 🙄

Cougar – Moderator

WTF? Listing the crap you have in your pockets on the internet? What next?

Are you new here? (-:

😀

Recycled Firefighter Nomex Handkerchief

Is that in case you get caught short after an ill advised post ale Phall the evening before?

I bought some of these tissues. I can never find one when I need one though.

My old DX torch has what’s known as an “Assault Crown”. I often wonder what would happen if I tactically jabbed someone in the eye with it.

Looking at that site Cougar posted, one of the contributors had a lot of ti “lanyard beads”. ‘What are they?’, I wondered to myself.

If they are what I think they are then they are used for pacing when navigating.

Some will be 10’s of paces and then others which are normally separated by a knot in the lanyard will be 100s of paces.

Remind me again what the difference is in penalties between getting caught with a bloody great machete and a torch.

My old DX torch has what’s known as an “Assault Crown”

I wondered what this was too, I was eventually told that the crown is machined away a bit so that it can be used to dig into the flesh of any would be attacker, rather than just used as a kosh like a normal torch would.

Not sure on the veracity of this so if anyone has heard different?

If they are what I think they are then they are used for pacing when navigating.

Some will be 10’s of paces and then others which are normally separated by a knot in the lanyard will be 100s of paces.

So, basically Bear Grylls worry beads?

Remind me again what the difference is in penalties between getting caught with a bloody great machete and a torch

Good point, however I prefer the quickness of it when using a knife as opposed to it taking a good few solid blows with a torch.

That’s irrespective of whether I’m owning a grizzly bear or in the urban jungle.

It’s not just about the Daisy Carnival in the UK. Every day carry double-sided axe (large) anyone:

http://edcgear.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SCHAXE8

So, basically Bear Grylls worry beads?

Worrying about being blinded by a torch perhaps?

Not sure on the veracity of this so if anyone has heard different?

I’ve heard of those before, the crown is normally ridged or has a shape that will help it dig in and cause more injury.

So, basically Bear Grylls worry beads?

Anal beads for explorers.

Maybe it’s just me, but if I were faced with an enraged, recently blinded bear, i’d be wishing i’d remembered to buy a gun.

Given bears’ sense of smell I’m not sure blinding your attacker is going to help you avoid a Leonardo di Caprio type situation.

I really like the tactical pen thing, it’s literally just a pen that’s better at stabbing people, in case someone challenges you to a pen duel. In other situations, well, it turns out that despite hundreds of years of marketing it is not mightier than a sword.

somouk – Member

I’ve heard of those before, the crown is normally ridged or has a shape that will help it dig in and cause more injury.

Yup. And the genius of that is that the same “attack crown” pops up on some cheap bike lights too since they share some parts. In case you want to hit someone with your entire bike.

TBH if you want to use a torch in self defence all this stuff is nonsense, the most useful thing you can do is shine it in their eyes- and any half-decent LED torch will do that job equally well.

TBH if you want to use a torch in self defence all this stuff is nonsense,

Disagree.

The six D cell Maglite I used to carry when I worked as a security guard in an abandoned steelworks provided a degree of weighty reassurance on the night shifts.

Wasn’t bright enough to blind Bear Grylls though.

#Tacticalflashlights don’t do that job though. The traditional scaffold-pipe-with-a-bulb-on-the-end are a different deal.

perchypanther

Disagree.

The six D cell Maglite I used to carry when I worked as a security guard in an abandoned steelworks provided a degree of weighty reassurance on the night shifts.

I’m sure the solid construction would be hugely reassuring as your assailant beats you to death with it.

#Tacticalflashlights don’t do that job though. The traditional scaffold-pipe-with-a-bulb-on-the-end are a different deal.

Plus, a security guard has a genuine reason for carrying a 6 D cell bludgeoning torch. Most of the pseudo military accessories like tactical torches are bought by fantasists. The sort of people that think Call of Duty is a training exercise.

I’m sure the solid construction would be hugely reassuring as your assailant beats you to death with it.

Never a problem.

People who come into an empty steel plant in the middle of the night to nick stuff tend to be tooled up* already.
Crowbars, stanley knives and hacksaws mostly.

*for removing large quantities of heavy electrical cable…not for assaulting hapless security operatives.

Crowbars, stanley knives and hacksaws mostly.

Or cameras 🙂

Which is handy, because you can then use it for its ‘proper’ purpose as you dispose of the body in a shallow grave on the moors later that evening

Only someone thick enough to buy a torch that could be seen from the moon because it’s “tactical” would use it to bury a body in a remote area

Yup. They’d just follow the patches of scorched grass to the burial site.

Bizarrely I also stumbled on tactical walking sticks recently. Clearly just a cosh vaguely disguised as a walking cane. I always thought the discerning gentleman used a sword cane anyway.

WTF??

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Bizarrely I also stumbled on tactical walking sticks recently. Clearly just a cosh vaguely disguised as a walking cane. I always thought the discerning gentleman used a sword cane anyway.

Like this Mofo? His 14 part build series is like a window into the mind of someone just dying to slit someones throat in self defence

Peyote – Member
My old DX torch has what’s known as an “Assault Crown”
I wondered what this was too, I was eventually told that the crown is machined away a bit so that it can be used to dig into the flesh of any would be attacker, rather than just used as a kosh like a normal torch would.

Not sure on the veracity of this so if anyone has heard different?
This is correct, the idea is based on a Sanko, a weapon developed by Buddhist monks held in the fist and used for striking vulnerable nerve points on the neck, wrists, etc.
The ‘tactical’ bit comes from having an instant on-off button to allow very quick operation of the flashlight, to avoid anyone targeting a person holding a lit torch.
Most so-called ‘tactical’ torches only have a clicky on-off button with multiple functions, like a strobe, which is a much more effective weapon in the dark.
An assault crown would certainly be effective as a last resort if someone tries to mug you, held in the fist and used to strike hard at an attacker’s hands and face it’ll certainly cause enough pain to be a distraction; you only have to bang your hand against a sharp edge to know how much it hurts.
A Sharpie held in the fist and the other end used as a makeshift striking weapon can be a distraction which could allow a victim to escape from an attacker, without actually carrying something that would be classed as an actual weapon.
The pen, after all, is mightier than the sword… 😉
[edit] The mini-stick is called a Kubotan or Yawara, and is used for pressure-point fighting, which is where a Sharpie, a so-called ‘tactical pen’, or a flashlight small enough to grip in your fist would be effective, the assault crown adds an extra striking edge which could break the skin of an attacker.
http://www.sammyfranco.com/kubotan.html

I’m intrigued by the idea that a bear-blinding torch would be an effective substitute for a gun.

“Fat Tony says you better have the cash tomorrow or BOOM”
[opens jacket to reveal torch]
“That’s a torch, mate”
“Yeah, but it can blind a bear”
“Why would you want to blind a bear, you horrible bastard?”
“I… I don’t know”

All this makes much more sense if you’re in the mindset of usually carrying a weapon. My American friend routinely carries a 9mm pistol for work. She’s strikingly sane. I’m don’t think she’s ever drawn it, but she reckons she always knows it’s there, and she is always conscious of who around her is armed and who is not.

If that’s your normal experience of moving around in public, I can see that being able to carry a Tactical Pen as part of your EDC sounds less histrionically stupid and psychotic than it does to those of us who don’t have as much Freedom as the Americans do.

🙂

“mindset of carrying a weapon” is rather a big deal. All the more so for us brits. A guy I know could not cope with having to carry a gun working in South Africa.

Tactical = You can fump sumwun wiv it.

Thanks. I didn’t know it half an hour ago, but now I need a Gerber Shard.
Who’s starting the EDC thread then?

I seemed to have provoked quite a few comments on “tactical” and EDC…. 😛

Seems my sceptiscm was correct – call an everyday heavy duty torch “tactical” and double the price!

The EDC concept is clearly bizarre to Europeans 😉 but I can understand the anxiety of not leaving the house with something you’ve come to regard as essential kit. If I ride with lid (almost never), gloves or glasses I feel naked and vulnerable – even though I wouldn’t have worn any of those as a kid / teenager. I’ve conditioned myself to wearing them – a habit that puts me outside of my comfort zone if one is missing

but now I need a Gerber Shard.

That thing looks like it will put holes in all your jeans pockets.

From all the discussion on here, whilst you’re skirting around it a bit, “tactical” means you could kill a man with it?

So how do you kill a man with those tissues?