Sitting here with a severely broken arm due to a speeding, dangerous driver. I find it a bit sickening people take unnecessary risks and speed for enjoyment. Even if they feel they are a good driver.

Fair enough Kenny, that was more directed at the proportion of folks that warn the speeders rather than let them get caught.

Others, I edited my prior post which I hope answers why it’s different to me, but if the oncoming motorists are really warning the others that it’s a 40 limit, then surely they’d be flashing irrespective of whether the police were there or not? So get honest, because that was why. Seems like a large proportion feel it’s ok and it’s more important that they get away with it.

As in my op re phone use, i think a bit of active entrapment is justified.

I sometimes drive my car faster than i should (though likely within speed limits as they are twisty roads) – being honest i do it as it is enjoyable.

Am i observant when doing this, hell yes. Am i concentrating on driving the car and nothing else, yes. Am i therefore safer than some pleb dawdling while daydreaming about tonights dinner or some rubbish, most likely!

Speed can kill, but i bet cretins driving like crap and those that dont concentrate kill more.

Some cars do simply go and stop better than your 7 seater school run bus too you know…

From previous threads many of you drive performance cars, i suppose just for looks then?

Do i warn speeders? Every time! Most of them are not in situations where the op lives (where it is 100% wrong to speed btw!) they are in areas where people dawdle past at a little over the limit on their daily procession home from work – moneymaking is all that amounts to.

Apparently that would cause you to fail your driving test.
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I was pulled over and chastised for not speeding when overtaking on an advanced motoribike assessed ride. My instructor was a police motorbike rider (on duty). The correct method, for a motorbike overtake, is to use the full power to minimise the duration of the overtake and then roll back to the speed limit (ie not braking).

Sorry, but I’m calling complete bollocks.

I’m also all for putting traps like this out to catch people who are either stupid, unobservant or feel it doesn’t apply to them.

So regarding being flashed and warned about an upcoming speed trap…….

So it’s ok if I’m speeding all day long, but I’m observant enough to spot the speed trap and slam the anchors on just in time.

But it not ok if I’m speeding all day long, but slow down in a more controlled manner because someone flashed me to warn me of a speed trap half a mile away ?

Correct ?

But it not ok if I’m speeding all day long, but slow down in a more controlled manner because someone flashed me to warn me of a speed trap half a mile away ?
Correct ?

Exactly – i bet more accidents and deaths take place due to morons drivin with no care in the world than those speeding, my oh has 2 friends who have written off 2 and 3 cars each, both absolutely hate speeders and agressive driving, they are just plain unobservant plebs who drive in their own dreamworlds

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Sorry, but I’m calling complete bollocks.

It’s not quite what I was told on my Bikesafe course, but not so far off. Not “use full power” specifically but “overtake as fast as you like, it’s safer than worrying about the limit” Safer btw, not safe vs unsafe- he wasn’t advocating making passes that needed huge speed.

Bikesafe as it was explained to me is designed as a “how you ride” thing, not like an IAM observed ride, they’ll tell you if you’re dangerous I assume but they’re not so bothered about pure legality. The idea being to make people safer with their real world riding, rather than testing their ability to ride like they have a policeman behind them, then they leave and go back to normal.

Ive seen more near misses on the A66 caused by vehicles travelling slowly, rather than the ones travelling quickly.

and whats speeding?

As a motorcyclist, van driver,mountain biker i only travel as fast as i can see, that might be 20mph past schools or 90mph motorway depending on the conditions.

A lot of incidents are caused by driver fustration imho, but you don’t hear of prosecutions for inconsiderate or inappropriate road speed.. 😕

The two accidents I’ve had were because the driver in front of me was going too slowly. Both were when I was watching the roundabout while second in the queue. I figured it was good to go both times, but the buggers in front were going too slowly (well, one of them, not going at all). So, yeah, in 100% of my accidents, they were caused by the other driver not being fast enough.

I drive to the condition not the speed limits

And I can do it largely without fear of being caught. I probably break the speed limit multiple times a day and I’ve only been careless enough to be caught three times in 20yrs and several hundred thousand miles.

Yes you do, lots of times. It’s referred to as “speeding”.

Driver frustration !!

That will not stand up in court nor will it soothe lickle jimmys mum and dad as hes scraped into a body bag with no intact organs to donate.

Anyone on here lost a dear one to some bellend driver suffering from petulant arrogance aka driver frustration ??

So, yeah, in 100% of my accidents, they were caused by the other driver not being fast enough.

Or you not looking where you were going.

Nealg – honestly, neither is acceptable. My preference would be that you don’t drive at inappropriate speeds at all, too fast or too slow. And if you do that you get caught and done for it. Instead of having the radar gun clearly visible 200 yards further on, I’d have it concealed and by the time you see the police, it’s too late. Then folks may learn that you shouldn’t be avoiding speeding penalties by keeping an eye out for cameras and radars, but by matching the number on your speedo to the signs by the side of the road.

Or you not looking where you were going.

No, no, no. If those other two had had something approaching my levels of anticipation, and taken off too, they wouldn’t have been going so slowly (as mentioned one of them so slow he was bleedin stationary FFS) that I hit them.

Speeding is exceeding the national speed limit scotroutes,I am referring to people travelling slower than conditions allow, or “not making progress” as i was once criticised for in a police accompanied driver test. 😯 and i was on a motorcycle at 80mph!

If theres no such thing as driver frustration cheeky boy then why do we need to overtake?

maybe “driver impatience” is a better word

No, no, no. If those other two had had something approaching my levels of anticipation,

That’s the problem. we’re not all driving gods.

“That’s the problem. we’re not all driving gods.”

Agree with riichmars,the throttle works both ways imho.. 😉

Apart from, apparently, everyone on this thread.

Living on the outskirts of a country village, 30mph limit, I see a lot of people cruising past my house, oblivious to all around them, at speeds well over the limit. I guess they think they are in control like many of the people above….
As the father of two young boys this crass ignorance and selfishness makes my blood boil.
Have tried complaining to coppers and councillors alike – not interested.

build you own speed bump like hal on malcom in the middle

“not making progress”

Tell my front bumper. 😡

one of them so slow he was bleedin stationary FFS

You drove into a stationary vehicle and you’re trying to claim it was their fault?

a bit of active entrapment is justified

Speed trap

it is not a ‘trap’ or “entrapment” to enforce a clearly marked speed limit. If a driver accelerates ahead of a change in limit, or fails to anticipate a reduction and drop their speed appropriately it’s just poor driving.

A lot of incidents are caused by driver fustration imho

Yep, a lot of danger on the road is caused by ‘frustration’ – ie people who don’t have a temperament appropriate to hold a driving licence. They’d not be allowed to fly a plane, or drive a train, but we still let them loose with a car.

You drove into a stationary vehicle and you’re trying to claim it was their fault?

Well, I dunno. I suppose it was debatable. There was plenty of room and time to join the roundabout. They didn’t make progress and I did. They were both going too slowly. So it’s true, see? Plenty of accidents are caused by people sometimes going too bloody slowly. 100% of mine were!

Trap, entrapment, maybe bad choice. What I mean is that it’s time we stopped having to have the police visible from miles away just so it’s ‘fair’ on the law breakers. It would be unfair if there weren’t bloody great red and white signs with the numbers on, and a speedo on your dashboard giving you a big clue how fast you’re allowed to go.

Well, I dunno. I suppose it was debatable.

It’s not really. Is it

What I mean is that it’s time we stopped having to have the police visible from miles away just so it’s ‘fair’ on the law breakers.

It’s not about catching speeders though is it.

It’s about stopping people from speeding.

That’s what they tell us anyway.

It’s not really. Is it

Ok, I suppose not. I’m probably giving the other guys the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they were nervous and not in a hurry that day. I just wanted to make progress.

That’s my point, we need both. Put the cameras up in those places where speed must be kept down so people can’t speed there. But you can’t cover the country, so in places where you shouldn’t speed but there aren’t enough incidents to justify a permanent camera, we have speed limits that people should adhere to. So we need a system to catch those that can’t and penalise them in a way that forces them to change.

How long before we have GPS trackers that will flag speeding transgressions, either to the driver or direct to the police?

It’s not about catching speeders though is it.

It’s about stopping people from speeding.

That’s what they tell us anyway.

Part of stopping them is a realistic chance of being caught. So catching some speeders deters them and others.

A workmate of mine was a terrible driver. On the phone, speeding, tailgating. Getting 6 pts in a fortnight cured her.

Another workmate was caught on his mobile last week. Plain clothes cops watching traffic and radioing ahead to get the handheld phone drivers stopped. £100 pts and 3 pts. He’ll think twice next time I hope.

I ve done 186 mph on many motorways around the country and 174 mph on the A32. Can anyone beat that or do I win the thread?

How long before we have GPS trackers that will flag speeding transgressions, either to the driver or direct to the police?

Thing with the GPS things is that someone, somewhere, approximately 24 hours after they’re put into use, will find a way to hack them. Think iPhone, Cameron’s “Porn Filter”, the similar internet filter in Australia, every single “locked” Android phone, etc. All allegedly unhackable, all hacked within a matter of hours. It just won’t work, other than on a few thousand who believe themselves to be perfect drivers and the terminally lazy/apathetic.

FWIW, I’m not a massive advocate of speeding, but I think there are situations where it hardly deserves the disdain that some seem to hold. If you’re driving a dual carriageway at 4:30am with no other vehicles other than the odd 16-wheeler every 20 miles or so (which I do, semi-regularly) then 80-90mph isn’t going to harm anyone. Conversely, the number of f***tards I’ve seen travelling on the same road at NSL whilst there’s a snowstorm and 1″ cover is frightening. You could maybe understand the (massively flawed) thought processes going on behind the steering wheel if they were in Land Rovers or G-Class Mercs or something, but I’m talking Audi TTs, Citroen Unipart vans, etc. Mentallists, the lot of them, and demonstrably more dangerous on the road than me and my 4am 90mph by an order of magnitude, whilst not a single one exceeding the speed limit. It’s about how appropriate your speed is, not a blind adherence to the limit.

FWIW mk2 – I was also told that I would likely fail my Direct Access bike test if I did not travel at or close to the posted speed limits without good reason. Again, by an ex-police biker turned instructor.

I ve done 186 mph on many motorways around the country and 174 mph on the A32. Can anyone beat that or do I win the thread?

Beats me I couldnt top more than 150ish on a rural back road on my bike

But you can’t cover the country

Matter of time.

If you’re driving a dual carriageway at 4:30am with no other vehicles other than the odd 16-wheeler every 20 miles or so (which I do, semi-regularly) then 80-90mph isn’t going to harm anyone.

Tell that to the family of the young lad that died on a dual carriageway at that sort of time after being hit by a car on new years day morning.

You just don’t know what might be on the road. Extra thinking and stopping time will always help.

singletrackmind, can’t agree with you there, applying speed limits seems to have no consistency whatsoever – why has West Sussex got a pretty much blanket 40mph on country ‘b’ roads. Why do you go from a 50 in Oxfordshire to a ‘national’ in Bucks. Why is it OK to do 40 down heavily populated dual carriageways in London but only 30 in some so-called ‘village’ consisting of some arbitrary number of dwellings within a certain distance in Oxfordshire. I could go on and on citing examples – if there was any kind of logic behind it people may find the limits more intuitive and easier to stick to and have to spend less time watching their speedo and more time actually concentrating on their driving.
Most of the ‘scameras’ are about raising revenue not improving road safety.

Billytinkle.

What was he doing on there? I imagine it was dark.

Had he been drinking?

Tragically on well lit wide motorways you get youths involved/killed. Should we all drive at 30 at night just incase?

I’ll do c60 if its dry tam

Why would you drive at 30 in a 70mph limit? All I’m saying is don’t drive in excess of 70.

I don’t know why the kid was there and that’s really not the point. Expect the unexpected is.

If theres no such thing as driver frustration cheeky boy then why do we need to overtake?

Where did I say there was no such thing as driver frustration ???

I was just using what I consider a less of an apologist description of a syndrome that is often used to justify arrogant bellend polishers endangering other people.