Sir! Keir! Starmer!

I am struggling with this issue

I don’t think you need to resolve anything. If you can see that the original comment in the article was untrue, and not apologising for sharing it is a poor political decision… nothing else is needed really.

Moving on…. I’ve just been reading about Wrong-Daily’s replacement as shadow education secretary, Kate Green. She sounds interesting. From the BBC site:

Ms Green, a Labour MP since 2010, said it was a “privilege” to have been asked to serve in the role.

She said the coronavirus pandemic had had a “devastating impact” on children’s education and that she was looking forward to working with teachers, unions, parents and councils to “help ensure we get our children back in school as soon as possible”.

Prior to becoming an MP, she was chief executive of the Child Poverty Action Group and before that, director of the National Council for One Parent Families (now Gingerbread).

Looks like someone who might well know what they’re doing in the roll and add more professionalism to the front bench, thus making the party more electable.

Imagine that? Bonkers, eh? Richard Burgon must have been unavailable

pie nails it again

Absolutely bang on! As ever!

Just to add to binners post about Kate Green…she resigned from Corbyn’s shadow cabinet so that will have been seen by Starmer as a +ve.
Seems like a sound choice.

A quick glance on Twitter shows that the Momentum lot are shrieking their hysterical indignance and righteous outrage at her appointment, which is always a positive sign about some sense re-entering proceedings

She looks like the best qualified person for the job, an ideal appointment, and she’s not new to education or being an MP. And losing his closest rival for the leadership whilst pointing and calling her a racist.
Looks like she was always the right appointment, starmer just had to appease his rivals for a bit then wait for any chance to enact his plan.

Moving on…. I’ve just been reading about Wrong-Daily’s

Makes juvenile comment: check
Calls his opponents sixth-formers:check
Tedious hypocrisy firmly in place: check

Opponents?

Interesting choice of phrase. I thought that was meant to be the Tory’s?

I’m a fully paid up Labour Party member, comrade.

Solidarity, brother

I take it you approve of Mr Starmers latest appointment? She seems able, well-qualified and perfectly suited to bring much to the role, yes?

She did great with Owen Smith’s leadership campaign as well 😉

Oh and Binbins practice what you preach ffs. You come across like Mark Francois with all this comrade/ sixth form bs.

Kate Green has a depth and breadth of experience in child-focussed organisations and policy making which makes for a stark contrast with dead-eye williamson.

In other news… some actual opposition taking place.

Granted, it’s not a weekly 10 second shouty YouTube clip on Twitter, but… you know…

Labour Refers Jenrick to Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards over Westferry Cash-for-Favours Scandal

So the matter isn’t closed, Boris

Quite a contrast. Firm leadership from Labour this week and the complete absence of it by that fly-tipped sofa

Preference for Prime Minister:

Keir Starmer: 37% (+3)
Boris Johnson: 35% (-)

via @OpiniumResearch
Chgs. w/ last week

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) June 27, 2020

Hardly surprising, Kimbers.

This, however…

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 43% (+1)
LAB: 36% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
GRN: 4% (-)

via @Survation, 24 – 25 Jun
Chgs. 10 Jun

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) June 26, 2020

As I keep pointing out, the fact that Starmer’s ratings don’t yet result in a similar rise in support for Labour is very worrying. He has a monster task on his hands, one which I don’t think anyone could complete in time. It still feels like Johnson and his successor have 9+ years between them. Obviously want to be wrong.

other polls give a very different story. showing a rise for labour as well to near neck and neck

While the Tories remain four points ahead of Starmer’s party on 44% to Labour’s 39%, the gap has closed from over 20% in February and early March when the Tories enjoyed a regular commanding lead as the country rallied behind the government, and Jeremy Corbyn was reaching the end of his time as Labour leader.

Opponents?

Interesting choice of phrase. I thought that was meant to be the Tory’s?

It should be, but you’ve made it pretty clear that it isn’t.

At this stage and 4 years away from a GE the polls are a bit irrelevant.
Starmer being sure-footed and johnson flailing around hopelessly.
The economic fallout resulting from CV19 will be overlaid with the Brexit transition ending in a hard no deal; combination of those two events will be v bad for tories.
As for Jenrick, have we got onto his involvement with Sirius and Cleveland Potash?
He’s been a naughty boy again.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/27/robert-jenrick-admits-israeli-billionaire-he-had-meeting-with-is-family-friend
Also reported yesterday that gov had dropped plans to give him more power over the planning process – oops.
The clown circus really have no understanding of optics, ethics and leadership.

The Tories had the luxury of four years without anything remotely resembling a functioning opposition. They could get away with being a circus because they had been gifted a far more inept bunch of clowns on the front bench opposite.

As Joris demonstrates at PMQ’s every week, they got very complacent – as you would when all you had to worry about was Jeremy Corbyn – and they’re not equipped to deal with the change in circumstances

We’ve about to enter an absolute economic shitstorm the likes of which we’ve never seen before, with Covid fallout and a no deal Brexit

The general public’s tolerance for clowns, whether they speak Latin or not, will wear thin very, very quickly.

In marked contrast to RLBs tinfoil-helmet conspiracy theory nonsense, Lisa Nandy is leading the call for sanctions on Israel, which even the Daily Telegraph surely couldnt even spin as antisemitism

Lisa Nandy urges ban on imports of West Bank goods

So ‘Becky’ must have known about this. I can’t imagine she didn’t. Which makes what she did about ten times as stupid.

Seems she really is as politically clueless as her Bearded, allotment-dwelling cheerleader. Possibly even more so. Which is quite an achievement

Starmer has opponents in his own party just as Corbyn did. Strangely, the people who are Starmers opponents are the same people who said Corbyns opponents should get behind Corbyn and put differences aside for good of party.
It makes a lot more sense to get behind Starmer as he is not a liability and in fact the opposite as the leader polls show, he is preferred to that lovable Boris character.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a label saying ‘made in illegal settlements in the West Bank’ over at the Co-op. Do things still get re-labelled like the orange juice from apartheid SA resold as Jaffa? How about all those avocados they are so keen to export, are they legal and ok?
TJ: ‘neck and neck’, tres bon!

As CFH suggests, while Starmer is doing a good job (in my view) of being the opposition there is some work to be done in getting people to see the labour party as government material.

I don’t really know what people see in the current crop of Torys. Starmer needs to figure this out and provide an alternative. This could be tricky because at the minute it seems to be mostly about brexit and immigration driving their support.

“Sol-id-arity with lord sains-bury”

People trust Starmer, not the Labour brand. It’s gonna be a hell of a job for him to turn things around in 4 years. I think he’s got what it takes though.

Starmer has opponents in his own party just as Corbyn did.

Starmer’s opponents, though are the ones who are scared of winning an election.

Starmer’s opponents, though are the ones who are scared of winning an election.

I’m starting to get a feel for ‘tropes’ now. Is this another? Because, I’ve heard this mentioned several times, but never seen any evidence for it.

I’m starting to get a feel for ‘tropes’ now. Is this another? Because, I’ve heard this mentioned several times, but never seen any evidence for it.

Momentum’s underlying policy was “keep ideological purity until the tories make so much of a mess of it the revolution delivers the populace into our laps and the revolution happens”. It is a total misreading of modern life where people are forced to be so busy trying to keep their jobs and their families fed that they never get a chance to look around them. Combine that with the sneaking message that if you don’t kill yourself working we will find someone who will (coz we can) and you get a populace that is run off its feet with work and locked in a rats in a sack struggle with everyone else.

Momentum are basically all about holding the ideological line until the revolution comes to them. For the reasons above, it ain’t gonna happen. Childlike obstinacy.

Momentum should do that!

Its for the leadership to keep the base and gain floating voters.

Momentum should do that!

Yes but they’re a visible embarrassment that can be used to discredit sensible leadership.

Much easier to have sensible leadership that can skilfully leave enough room for manoeuvre later by keeping promises vague and ‘three-wordy’. It is not as if they are up against detailed and fully worked out policies here!

They are up against a shape-shifting, lying rabble.

In marked contrast to RLBs tinfoil-helmet conspiracy theory nonsense, Lisa Nandy is leading the call for sanctions on Israel

Binners you’re so transparently partisan. Had anyone from the left said this you’d be howling about how theyre all rabid anti-semites. You constantly go on about Monty Python and the PFJ and you’re the worst example. That whole joke was aimed at the labour party and how they spend all their time abusing each other rather than the real enemy, and that’s what you do in every single post.

Seems she really is as politically clueless as her Bearded, allotment-dwelling cheerleader.

I rest my case. For christ’s sake move on. Try going a week without mentionaing beards, allotments and cabals. You’ll feel better for it.

beards, allotments and cabals

A great name for the inevitable book documenting the Corbyn era of the Labour Party!

Good article by Andrew Rawnsley in this mornings Observer with a synopsis of RLBs sacking

Starmer’s sacking of Long-Bailey was vital to show that Labour is changing

A great name for the inevitable book documenting the Corbyn era of the Labour Party!

I think Binners should design a book jacket for it.

That’s a great idea! 😃

Momentum’s underlying policy was “keep ideological purity until the tories make so much of a mess of it the revolution delivers the populace into our laps and the revolution happens”.

Is this a written policy, or something you’ve ascertained? It sounds to me like a different approach to obtaining power. No indication of the fear of power. Since we are yet to see the sort of society that many on the left desire, it is uncertain whether their or your approach is more likely to succeed.

Good article by Andrew Rawnsley in this mornings Observer with a synopsis of RLBs sacking

Lmao. Andrew Rawnsley last week was tearing into Uncle Starmer for his lack of vision and policy. This week he’s okay because he sacked a left winger. PMSL.

RLB was sacked because of her sympathy with the Teachers/Unions. Everything else is piss and wind.

The shockingly formatted independent even ran a piece – supporting Starmer after publishing the article that RLB retweeted that got her fired. If they were so bothered by the so-called AS in the piece they didn’t have to publish it in the first place.

The whole thing’s a mess. You don’t regress the damage of the right with more right wing suited competency.

Starmer supporters might end up with a competent manager but there will be a fag packet between the Tories and Labour. The country will be the same downward spiral. Centrists can’t see this. They are so desperate to win they just want a line-manager approach to leadership.

Also – Anneliese Dodds – talking about Tax and Spend, same old trappings. They need to spend time with Richard Murphy or Stephanie Kelton to understand how to fix the economy.

Boris is about to go on a spending spree (and we damn well need it) – Labour will have nowhere to turn unless they put something new forward instead of being a party of beige vision.

Lmao. Andrew Rawnsley last week was tearing into Uncle Starmer for his lack of vision and policy. This week he’s okay because he sacked a left winger. PMSL

That’s a somewhat bizarre take on a balanced, objective piece of largely positive analysis

Keir Starmer’s first steps are promising, but the road ahead is long and steep

Sky news are Just reporting that their latest polling has Starmers approval ratings going up again as Borises (somewhat unsurpring) plummet.

RLB was sacked because of her sympathy with the Teachers/Unions. Everything else is piss and wind.

What utter twoddle