Sir! Keir! Starmer!

So, to summarise: George Floyd is dead because… JEWS!

That is a rather antisemitic statement. Why did you leap from Israeli security forces to all Jews?

Evening comrade.

She was asked to delete the Tweet and she refused. So she had the option but decided that this was the hill she was going to die on.

As political judgment goes, that’s some bizarre logic, but then it absolutely typifies an attitude where the most important thing is to be seen to be doing the ‘right’ thing by the cult members in the common room and sod what the electorate and everybody else thinks.

Corbynism in a nutshell.

A suitably fitting way to go as it also helps fuel the all-encompassing persecution complex of the lefty bunker-dwellers and their bonkers, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories

Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out. She was always just a figleaf to keep the Magic Grandad loving loons happy. Even John Prescott had enough about him to know that he was a figleaf. Seems she wasn’t bright enough to figure it out. Nowhere near as bright as John Prescott. Thats quite an epitath to your political career

RLB is a dimwit and this proves it.

Bye bye Bailey, bye bye.

She was always just a figleaf to keep the Magic Grandad loving loons happy.

Yes, a double bonus gettig rid of her, one less Corbynite in the party, so another step towards becoming electable.

Also helps starmer as he can get in a new education secretary

Or as an associate put it it:

Starmer was just gifted a situation whereby the morally correct thing to do was in perfect alignment with the politically correct thing to do.

RLB is a dimwit and this proves it

Nails it.

Anti-semitism & his failure to deal with it was weaponised v effectively against corbyn at the last election

Also nails it.

The longer political incompetence hangs around in the party the longer it’ll be before they get in power.

Starmer was just gifted a situation whereby the morally correct thing to do was in perfect alignment with the politically correct thing to do.

Yes, he was probably very happy to have to ask her to resign.

Don’t cite articles without reading the whole lot and especially by some actress.

So from here on in, I’m out

Evening comrade.

Evening comrade.

Anything to actually add to the debate?

For gods sake, man, you could at least link to an Owen Jones Tweet saying how it’s all just, like, SOOOOOOOO NOT FAIR

Come on. This is entry level Corbynism

So this is a ‘trope’ now is it? It’s been all over the net for years, including concerns raised by Amnesty:

Yes, anti-Semitic tropes are cliched stereotyping, falsehoods and prejudices commonly applied to Jewish people in a generalised, derogatory way. The same abhorrent comments have been repeated for centuries and are well known. I don’t think the issue being discussed falls into that category.

In this case, the allegation already made by many people, and repeated by Peake is that the civilian US police force are being trained by a military force, and specifically a military force that has a well documented history of alleged human rights abuses, extra judicial killings, etc. That seems like a legitimate issue to discuss in the wake of George Floyd’s killing, when the US police force are again being accused of using excessive force (as well as institutionalised racism).

It appears to be well documented that the Israeli defence forces are training US police. It seems to be unproven that they are specifically training them to use the choke hold technique that has caused so much outrage recently, so it’s fair enough to question the accuracy of the story that Peake repeated, but I don’t see the original article as anti-Semitic.

It looks like Long-Bailey has mishandled her opportunities to climb out of the hole, while Starmer has seized on the opportunity to sideline her and reinforce his position as a leader with authority.

Don’t cite articles without reading the whole lot and especially by some actress.

That’s the real lesson to take from this. Or just stay off Twitter…

but I don’t see the original article as anti-Semiti

If your take on the BLM movement‘s most keen concerns is to say, ‘Systemic racism is a global issue’ (fair enough) but then you only talk about Israel… well… blaming the ills in other distant countries on Israel is… well…

Anything to actually add to the debate?

So from here on in, I’m out

Let us know when you’ve made your mind up: the edge of my seat is uncomfortable.

How’s he going to get back the 10 seconds it took him to find somebody less vacuous?

Well, Labour just got more electable again.

What’s not to like?

Evening comrade.

Anything to actually add to the debate?

I thought his point was clear and well made. It put a smile on my face 😂

If your take on the BLM movement‘s most keen concerns is to say, ‘Systemic racism is a global issue’ (fair enough) but then you only talk about Israel… well… blaming the ills in other distant countries on Israel is… well…

The blame is being attributed to the US police force for allegedly adopting inappropriate restraint techniques from a military force.

The blame is being attributed to the US police force for allegedly adopting inappropriate restraint techniques from a military force.

Lovely contortion. But you don’t believe it.

Trying to link racism in the USA to Israel is a very old trope.

We may have moved away from blaming Jews for the slave trade… but not very far.

including concerns raised by Amnesty:

Erm. About that…

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2020/06/amnesty-international-we-never-reported-neck-kneeling-taught-israelis-us

Erm. About that…

Details, details…

playing out nicely for Starmer

& contrasts with the dithering & weakness of Johnson

Lovely contortion. But you don’t believe it.

Trying to link racism in the USA to Israel is a very old trope.

We may have moved away from blaming Jews for the slave trade… but not very far.

I’ve never been aware of Jews being blamed for the slave trade. If anything, I’d expect Jewish people would have been excluded from the businesses that traditionally exploited slavery, because of anti-Semitism.

As I said above (and others have also pointed out) there doesn’t appear to be evidence that the choke hold was being taught by the Israeli defence forces, so that’s a legitimate criticism of Peake’s comment.

What exactly do you think the “contortion” is?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/25/robert-jenrick-faces-questions-over-meeting-with-israeli-mining-heir

You couldn’t make this up, could you…

I’ve never been aware of Jews being blamed for the slave trade.

So… carry on with telling us all about anti-semitism then… FFS.

So… carry on with telling us all about anti-semitism then… FFS.

I’m well aware of the many nasty anti-Semitic tropes that have been used for centuries to attack Jewish people, but I admit that’s not one I’m familiar with. However, I’m quite happy to be corrected about my ignorance.

Trying to link racism in the USA to Israel is a very old trope.

Are you suggesting that Peake is claiming the US police imbibed their institutional racism from the Israeli army, ergo she’s implying that racist Jewish people are ultimately responsible for the violence meted out by the US police?

“Systemic racism is a global issue,” she adds. “The tactics used by the police in America, kneeling on George Floyd’s neck, that was learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services.”

Read it how you want.

I feel it’s important for me to clarify that, when talking to The Independent, I was inaccurate in my assumption of American Police training & its sources. I find racism & antisemitism abhorrent & I in no way wished, nor intended, to add fodder to any views of the contrary.

— Maxine Peake (@MPeakeOfficial) June 25, 2020

Anyone watching that moron from the fire brigades union on Newsnight? It’s about as sane as Rudi Guilliani’s performance on GMB the other day.

The actions of Long Bailey and her ilk are not only anti Semitic they’re inadvertently racist as the conflation of Israel with the BLM cause only serves to undermine what BLM are trying to achieve..

We’ve just seen the emergence of the biggest social movement of my lifetime and some people are using it to score political purity points.

“Shameless”, that’s the word for it.

The actions of Long Bailey and her ilk are not only anti Semitic they’re inadvertently racist

Hysterical much? So anyone who disagrees with the  racist and violent policies of the Israeli govt is an anti-Semite? I suppose I should accept my problem. It’s ok though, in mitigation some of my friends are Jewish. Honestly you’ve all either gone mental or are just thick and gullible.

Just sheer stupidity on her part so cheerio.

A chance for Starmer to do something decisive aswell.

It feels to me as though Starmer is timing his run, not getting too combative too early.

Is that his plan do you reckon?

So anyone who disagrees with the racist and violent policies of the Israeli govt is an anti-Semite?

No. That isn’t the case. You can’t keep jumping to that every time someone makes the mistake of repeating or promoting conspiracy theory nonsense.

Just sheer stupidity on her part so cheerio.

She played straight into his hands with her refusal to delete the original tweet and her subsequent non-apology.

Bonus he gets to look tough on antisemitism for the report expected next month.

A chance for Starmer to do something decisive aswell.

It feels to me as though Starmer is timing his run, not getting too combative too early.

Is that his plan do you reckon?

He’s playing the long game. Today has been a win/win for him. He gets to stamp his authority on the party, particularly regarding antisemitism, and also get rid of the last of the Corbynite idiots from the cabinet.

Looking at social media it seems the virtue-signalling, sixth form bed-wetters are up in arms and all apparently leaving the Labour Party, so it’s a win/win/win for him.

Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out. Good luck with joining George Galloway and whatever his party is called nowadays. I’m sure the next election is in the bag

Clowns

Just reading the Guardian article and apparent john McDonnell is very angry about the whole thing.

McDonnell later shared a petition calling on Starmer to reinstate Long-Bailey.’

Good work. That’s the way to get things done John. An internet petition. Maybe you could hold a candlelit vigil at a church hall in Islington?

Again… Corbynism in a nutshell

It appears to be well documented that the Israeli defence forces are training US police. It seems to be unproven that they are specifically training them to use the choke hold technique that has caused so much outrage recently, so it’s fair enough to question the accuracy of the story that Peake repeated, but I don’t see the original article as anti-Semitic.

Neither do I. The Israeli defence forces have built a fearsome reputation over many years of persecution, so it’s only to be expected that other countries would wish to take advantage of their experience and expertise.
The real issue isn’t to do with the Israeli government or even its people; the issue is the ongoing movement towards American police becoming a paramilitary force being used against their own civilians, in particular the Black population, but also against the Hispanic population – see Tinkerbell’s Wall; where they get their training is largely irrelevant, it could just as easily be the SAS, the French Foreign Legion, or any other special forces/operations unit.
I’ll wait quietly for someone to accuse me of perpetuating an anti-Semitic trope in 5, 4, 3…

On it’s own, I don’t view the comment as antisemitic – I agree with CZ that I think the “Israeli” part was in reference to their particularly aggressive reputation.

HOWEVER, if I was a politician who’s party had recently become quagmired in numerous antisemitism scandals (due largely, in my view, to their inability to connect their mouths to the brains before speaking/tweeting), and who’s new leader was obviously going to make an example of anyone further **** up in this regard…… the very last thing I would be doing is going near anything at all to do with Israel/Palestine/Jew’s/the middle east. Particularly when it’s nothing to do with her portfolio. On that basis alone she’s proved that shes intellectually incapable of being in the shadow cabinet.

More evidence that SKS has what’s needed more than anything right now – competence

To associate all jews with the actions of the Israeli state is to stereotype and is anti-semitic as is dismissing the Jewish Virtual Library as pedlars of fake news or conspiracy theories. As for Amnesty, I don’t know, but they’re not famed for barking up the wrong tree.
NB 1970s light entertainment written and performed by ex-public schoolboys who punch down on the usual targets (gays, northerners, socialists, the working class, shop keepers) can raise a titter but why venerate a tax-dodging emetic splenetic like John Cleese? Spitting Image was tons better, ‘Tomorrow belongs to me’ vs ‘The lumberjack song’?