Not all over 50s are that stupid…….

Clearly not, I am over 50 myself 🙂
Unfortunately the majority of over 50’s vote tory and there is no getting away from that.

I assumed that most of the snearing semi-literate gammons were in their 40s and 50s.

Nice internal flight to Scotland Sir Starmer.

Well timed that, and considered.

I’m not sure this helps, but it’s amusing

I saw that. It did amuse me.

Not sure what Jon Lansman’s done recently!

Expel the socialist activists from the party and then blame them for being disloyal splitters destroying the membership. Get your defence in first blaming those outside the party and northern lumpen racists for a disastrous forthcoming election result. Design posters attacking the left and trades unionists rather than the right to appeal to the tories. Despite his polished shoes and hair, Sir always looks hunted, is not his own man and he can’t keep the attention of two women on a promenade let alone drum up a crowd. Not going very well really.
The big worry is, as with tactical voting, if you vote for Sir he might believe you actually supported him.

I’m not sure this helps, but it’s amusing

Initially thought Binners must have put that together but then noticed a lack of Monty Python or Citizen Smith images which gave the game away that he had no involvement in it.

Expel the socialist activists from the party and then blame them for being disloyal splitters destroying the membership.

Name names. Your last example was a councillor who was expelled for backing the NIP (now independent) candidate, after failing to win the Labour candidacy for themselves. So that was “disloyal splitter” first, expelled second. Not the other way around.

WTAF? https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1384041231987077122?s=21

WTAF?

tribal political parties behaving tribally…

I’m not sure this helps, but it’s amusing

It’s also very effective at portraying the labour party as a bunch of sneering, arrogant elitists who think anyone who has any left wing views or working class interests is a ‘gammon’. It’s a funny way of winning back those red wall votes.

WTAF?

Because that is the parliamentary equivalent of signing an internet petition. The previous leadership was very fond of this kind of futile and pointless gesture politics and look where thats got them.

From the Guardian article: Parties call for inquiry into Boris Johnson’s ‘failure to be honest’

Given the size of the Conservative majority, there is no realistic chance of MPs approving such a motion, but a debate on this subject – if the Speaker were to allow one – would be highly embarrassing to the prime minister.

Great! So the ‘point’ of this complete waste of everybody’s time is to try and cause some minor embarrassment to the PM. Its quite a quaint notion that anyone thinks shame or embarrassment are emotions that either Boris Johnson or any of those around him are actually burdened with

anyone who has any left wing views or working class interests is a ‘gammon’

While it is childish “unhelpful” rubbish, it doesn’t make that particular claim.

So the ‘point’ of this complete waste of everybody’s time is to try and cause some minor embarrassment to the PM.

The point is to highlight the continuing stream of lies and misleading claims made by the PM while at the dispatch box, and the failure of “normal” parliamentary procedures to get him to address/correct them.

The speaker pulls him up on it all the time. He just ignores him like he ignores everyone else and carries on regardless.

He’s completely shameless. Lies come as easily to him as breathing. He couldn’t care less about some pointless debate, nor it would seem do the voters.

An exercise in futility. Like trying to shame a pig into paying more attention to its personal hygiene

It’s also very effective at portraying the labour party as a bunch of sneering, arrogant elitists who think anyone who has any left wing views or working class interests is a ‘gammon’. It’s a funny way of winning back those red wall votes.

I think you’re extrapolating a bit much from that, mate. I just took it that its saying Len McClusky is a cock. Which he is.

An exercise in futility. Like trying to shame a pig into paying more attention to its personal hygiene

It’s not about tying to train the pig, it’s about pinning the “dirty” tag on it in the eyes of more of the public. Okay, most people already he’s prone to lying, but it’s about getting more people to consider that as important by stressing how it is damaging to our parliamentary democracy, and the running of the UK.

The poor guy can’t even get a pint in peace :p  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-56802020

I guess they didn’t realise that guy was the landlord before heading in?

as he told Sir Keir: “Get out of my pub”

He’s had a bust up with Peggy Mitchell?

We all love pubs. A winter without being able to retreat into one has been shit. I really feel for everyone involved in the profession. If that landlord had been complaining about lack of support, or late minute decisions, or lockdowns having to be in place for too long, then fair enough… but if he’s just arguing that pubs should have been allowed to stay fully open, no matter what was going on with the pandemic, well, quite frankly, screw him.

I guess they didn’t realise that guy was the landlord before heading in?

Even if they did, there wasn’t going to be any reasoning with him, was there…

“you have allowed our children to wear masks in schools”

Yeah, crackpot…

Are you sure it wasn’t Jezza’s brother?

They certainly don’t let him in pubs

Its quite a quaint notion that anyone thinks shame or embarrassment are emotions that either Boris Johnson or any of those around him are actually burdened with

No its for the general public to highlight his lies and forces his MPs to stick their names alongside his lies. Whether it could work or not is debatable, especially since chances of it being given press time is minimal unless johnson upsets the press barons too much, but when you see the desperate attempts to blame the “civil service” for the current sleeze allegations it is clear the tories are somewhat concerned about it.

Its certainly more effective than the primary school level political thinking about a public inquiry showing his failings before the next election.

The labour party is a complete shambles of conflicted ideas.

And Labour supporters wonder why they are not winning.

I’m sure someone in KS’s team had a good reason for arranging for him to visit a pub run by a lockdown sceptic fruitloop…

^ well, it’s a nice pub tbf.

Are Labour PR even less forensic than their boss?

Are Labour PR even less forensic than their boss?

Don’t be ridiculous. This was entirely due to the vaccine bounce.

The guy who runs/ran the Raven is/was active here on stw.

That makes Nigel Farage AND Sir Kier both kicked out of pubs in town. Just need Boris to pay a visit now.

It is a good pub.

The guy who runs/ran the Raven is/was active here on stw.

Really? It’s true, some of the ‘let old people die to save the economy’ perspectives are given a floating on the covid thread every now and again.

Don’t be ridiculous. This was entirely due to the vaccine bounce.

🙂

The vaccine bounce where votes from Lab moved to the Libs and Greens!

We need to see Keir interacting with people more. That was all OK imo, he did nothing wrong. I don’t feel embarrassed for him like with various TM, GB, BJ etc interactions.

The guy who runs/ran the Raven is/was active here on stw.

Really? It’s true, some of the ‘let old people die to save the economy’ perspectives are given a floating on the covid thread every now and again.

No. That was a chap called Tim. (He was timraven here.) I rode with him years ago a few times. Nice chap, not at all like that bell-end. I think he moved on from the Raven years ago. It was serving good beer before good beer was trendy. Can’t say I’ll be darkening its doors anytime soon.

Yup, I remember the guy… dragged my other half’s family in there on a visit many years ago based on his comments here. They loved it. That was a long time ago though.

Anyway, yesterday it was interesting reading the response to Starmer on social media when he made his case about the interaction. People are dying to stick the knife into him… and the mix of ‘anti-lockdown’ and ‘everyone else is a Tory’ sentiments is a real heady brew of hate. Who’d be a politician in our current times?

Can’t say I’ll be darkening its doors anytime soon.

Tim doesn’t hold the same opinions as the cockwomble and isn’t that happy that the Raven is now associated with this.

There’s another vid after the original where he’s saying this floating around, assuming it’s the same Tim.

That makes Nigel Farage AND Sir Kier both kicked out of pubs in town. Just need Boris to pay a visit now.

Fridge boy won’t be getting caught out like those amateurs,he’s busy getting photo opportunities in a white coat saving the country 🙂

and the mix of ‘anti-lockdown’ and ‘everyone else is a Tory’ sentiments is a real heady brew of hate.

It as a bit odd that the the people revelling in this nonsense were either the usual Momentum Cult member lefty lot and the Desmond Swayne, ultra-libertarian Tory right wingers.

If you’ve managed to unite those two diverse groups of complete fruitloops, you’re probably on the right track

Carry on…

I dunno, success comes from energising the, er, edges, while still pulling in normals… the Conservatives know this. That’s why they’re setting Sunak up to appeal to the right leaning voters wary of Johnson’s XXXX Business and Watermelon Smiles approach. You get a “leading Tory” for two very different types of voter. Labour are failing here, they’re trying to make Starmer one leader for all… and what they need to do is make “Labour” for all, using the wider team… but somehow not allow that to feed back into the ever decreasing circles of “Lefty” and “Torylite” accusations and fighting that’s helping keep Labour in eternal opposition*.

[ * cue the “Starmer isn’t opposing” nonsense that the pub guy was running with ]